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    While we have no real talent around us besides Hibbert, while the players are out, should we give Roy 20-25 shots, as well as 36-38 mpg, since it seems to work better than our talentless motion offense? Face it, without Roy in the game, there is no possible way we can score with crisp ball movement and jumpshooting. Our only other way to score besides getting on the break is Luther overdribbling for an impossible shot, or Watson(Or AJ)/McRoberts PnR once or twice a game. So while all of our players are injured, shouldn't we let our best player who is on a tear get a crapload of shots, hoping that we could win two or three of our next twenty games as opposed to none? I think this is what it has come to.

    For the record, we'll probably end up winning a lot of games at the end and getting an okay record. I'm not trying to say were on pace to win 11 games or anything silly like that.
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    He cant stay on the court that long he gets in foul trouble way too frequently

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    He cant stay on the court that long he gets in foul trouble way too frequently
    If we focus on putting the best defenders on the floor, Roy Hibbert will not have the same problems. His issue is that Murphy and TJ spend a lot of time with him out there. Dunleavy is a weak enough link. Goodness, when Hibbert, Murphy, TJ and Dunleavy are all playing a lot of minutes, you in big trubba.

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    we run a motion offense? i watched a little bit and didn't see much motion really.

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    huh? Dunleavy was out almost an entire month the beginning of the year and Hibbert still had foul issues. Not all of our defensive issues have to do with those two. Hibbert is not a good defender. I like Hibbert but he does foul a ton and most of it is when offensive players just run into him without him doing anything.

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    I'd like to see Roy get to the point where JOB doesn't need to pull him out against smaller lineups. Fouls are killing him more than anything, but he's improved since last year.
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    huh? Dunleavy was out almost an entire month the beginning of the year and Hibbert still had foul issues. Not all of our defensive issues have to do with those two. Hibbert is not a good defender. I like Hibbert but he does foul a ton and most of it is when offensive players just run into him without him doing anything.
    I didn't really mean to slam on Dun, who I like. However, he's still a below average defensive player. If he wasn't, he'd be a perennial all-star the way he plays on offense.

    But the real issue for Hibbert is Murphy. I think most reasonable people know they cannot defend the paint adequately. I think many knowledgable people realize that a weak interior defense weakens your perimeter defense considerably...because the guards have to play off their guys and cannot get in the passing lanes as easy...because they know nobody is going to stop the lay-up if their man gets by them. This is an enormous issue for the Pacers...because we do have a few decent perimeter defenders.

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    I didn't really mean to slam on Dun, who I like. However, he's still a below average defensive player. If he wasn't, he'd be a perennial all-star the way he plays on offense.
    Yeah, that 0 points on 3 shots is DEFINITELY going to get him some write-ins.

    But the real issue for Hibbert is Murphy.
    Agreed. And while I think Murph could be a great player next to some centers, I don't think Roy is that guy. The two of them don't work well together, and Roy's the future.

    I'd really like to see Josh or Tyler get significant minutes next to him and see what that gives us. Heck, I'd like to see Solo get minutes at the 4. I thought Roy played really well next to Foster earlier in the year. Forget the "stretch forward," I want a guy who can defend the paint.
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    huh? Dunleavy was out almost an entire month the beginning of the year and Hibbert still had foul issues. Not all of our defensive issues have to do with those two. Hibbert is not a good defender. I like Hibbert but he does foul a ton and most of it is when offensive players just run into him without him doing anything.
    I second this, he picks up atleast 2 ticky tack fouls under the basket each game. Just stupid fouls that show a lack of focus from him.

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    I second this, he picks up atleast 2 ticky tack fouls under the basket each game. Just stupid fouls that show a lack of focus from him.
    I think a lot of this is from refs who aren't familiar with his game making questionable calls. As he gais respect as a premier offensive big man scorer you will see him get less "ticky tacky" fouls.

    A lot of his foul trouble seems to be because of a break down of the perimeter defense which is a direct effect of Murphy and Ford and Dun when he plays. When people start driving towards the basket freely Roy tried to step up and save the play and gets a foul. At least he is putting in the effort I say.

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    Yeah, that 0 points on 3 shots is DEFINITELY going to get him some write-ins.


    Agreed. And while I think Murph could be a great player next to some centers, I don't think Roy is that guy. The two of them don't work well together, and Roy's the future.

    I'd really like to see Josh or Tyler get significant minutes next to him and see what that gives us. Heck, I'd like to see Solo get minutes at the 4. I thought Roy played really well next to Foster earlier in the year. Forget the "stretch forward," I want a guy who can defend the paint.
    This is why i thought we would win without Murphy tonight. I failed to realize that Hansboro wasn't playing before I made the prediction. i just wish bird would trade Murphy for anything, so coach will get off his jock. I don't even know where to begin with this Dunleavy Ford situation. it's getting more dismal by the game...

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    I also think McBob or Tyler with Roy is what you want to see. Let them do the hard rotations and bumping, let Roy cherry pick some shot blocks and then worry about spending energy getting and holding low post position.

    But also you gotta get a PG that won't leave Roy high and dry on 15 PnRs per game. Lotta fouls there too.


    Roy's still looking rough, I just don't care. I think you can knock those dents out of his game still. Maybe I'll feel differently a year from now when it's more of the same, but so far Roy's developed much better than I thought he would on draft night. Always liked the kid but hated his chances in the NBA due to awkwardness and lateral speed, both of which are still issues of course. He's done good things in spite of that.

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    I don't know if we should "Brook Lopez" Roy Hibbert but we sure should "Lawrence Frank" Jim O'Brien if he refuses to dedicate 25 min. a game to Roy.

    I like S. Jones, really I do, but he should not be starting over Roy. With Roy maybe, although I think I have come to the conclusion that it is time for Tyler to go ahead and step up to the plate for that.

    I know some don't like Roy and that is fine, he certainly has his flaws, but he is the only center option we have and really our only low post scorer.

    I don't think he will ever be a star but he can be and should be our starting center until we either trade or draft a better player. That player is NOT on our team right now btw.


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    asking should we "brook lopez" roy is basically asking for a youth movement, isn't it?

    i suspect you'll get a resounding yes from many forum members who consider this another lost season. but i suspect it would take a lot more losing before the pacers management would consider this.

    the nets' situation is different. one, they have the cap space to radically renovate their team next season. they can honestly tell their fans that the team they see next year won't resemble this year's garbage. the pacers though would most likely still be fielding essentially the same team. two, they are basically abandoning their current fanbase, by their planned move to brooklyn. so they don't really mind pissing off their already pissed off fanbase. the pacers though still have to consider the possible effect of a youth movement on their dwindling fanbase. people might argue that only the hardcore fans are left anyway, but obviously the pacers management is far more worried about being perceived as having already given up on making the playoffs.

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    I like S. Jones, really I do, but he should not be starting over Roy. With Roy maybe, although I think I have come to the conclusion that it is time for Tyler to go ahead and step up to the plate for that.
    of the bigs on our roster, solo is by far the best fit next to troy in terms of skillset. so i figured it was only a matter of time before solo gets to start. it's just too bad that he isn't a better player. solo might also be a good fit playing next to hibbert, but we'd never get a chance to see that, would we.

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    I agree with Lawrence Franking O'Brien for his use of Hibbert or lack thereof. I don't see how Hibbert can establish himself as a starter more than now. Sure he has foul problems, but they aren't severe enough for Solomon Jones to be starting over him. Hibbert is a key to the future of the franchise, and the Pacers need to play him or else get JOB as far away from Conseco as humanly possible.

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    I think Lopez averages as many shots as he does in part because he puts up so many 20ft jump shots. I'm not sure we want Roy taking that up, but feeding him in the post as much as is viable is a solid idea with the injuries we have.

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    so Hibbert gets in foul trouble to often and he does not start? yeah I want to see Van Gundy doing the same thing to howard to see what is going to happen

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    30 min. last night v. Memphis. I'll take that any day for Roy. Start or not, just give me @ 30 minutes barring fouls. I don't think he'd be too effective going much over that. However, as good as he was going on O last night, I would have been fine leaving him in at the end.
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    A lot of his foul trouble seems to be because of a break down of the perimeter defense which is a direct effect of Murphy and Ford and Dun when he plays. When people start driving towards the basket freely Roy tried to step up and save the play and gets a foul. At least he is putting in the effort I say.

    Bingo...direct result of the "Ole" defense on the perimeter. Not to say that he doesn't make bonehead reach in or slap across the arm once and a while, but that accounts for a majority of his fouls this year. Just a SWAG, but I'd go 60 to 70 percent.
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    I swear I am not trying to be argumentative, but I really do understand why JOB does not want Hibbert out there to start. The really good teams constantly penetrate the lane and get him into foul trouble within the first 5 minutes of the game. Then Hibbert cannot get started, which affects him for the entire game. He needs to get in a rythym. Is this Muphy's fault? Pretty darn sure he is part of it, but Hibbert sometimes has a brain fart and jumps into PGs and refs are just waiting to call fouls on him. Bringing him into the game without Murphy is not a bad idea. I kind of like him with McRoberts. Hate him with Murphy.

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