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    This was posted in the Star at 1:30pm today.
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    Bird: O'Brien's job is secure


    By Mike Wells
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    CHICAGO – Indiana Pacers president Larry Bird has a message for those screaming for a coaching change: Jim O’Brien will not be fired.

    Bird, frustrated like everybody else about the team’s problems, said he has no intention of changing coaches. If anything changes, it will be the roster, he said.

    “Jim is going to be here, that’s one thing the players have to know,” Bird said today. “The coach is secure. We wouldn’t have picked up his option if we didn’t think he was secure. If the players have a problems with Jim, the players are the ones that are probably going to leave.”

    The Pacers have lost six consecutive games and are coming off a 34-point loss to the Miami Heat on Sunday.

    The Pacers play the Chicago Bulls on Tuesday.

    “I don’t like what I’m seeing,” said Bird, who acknowledged that he’s talking to other teams about possible trades. “Going in we expected to compete and be in every game. I thought last year we played very hard and had a chance to make the playoffs at the end. The play on the court now, it’s no excuse, we have to be able to compete on a nightly basis.”

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    just kidding.
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    Default Re: Star: O'Brien's job is secure

    When will people see Bird is as big of a problem as anything in the organization?

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    This is going to get uglier.

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    This isn't going to end well, is it?

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    Is anyone else afraid Bird is going to make some knee jerk trade before our expirings are at their full value due to his desire for this team to finish 10th, rather than 13th, in the East and have no chance at a good lottery pick? Unless there is some GM drinking serious Murphy and Ford kool-aid out there there is little chance Bird can make a beneficial trade with the chips he has at the moment.

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    When is the last time a coach got fired without getting that dreaded "vote of confidence" from the front office first?

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    When is the last time a coach got fired without getting that dreaded "vote of confidence" from the front office first?
    That's a great point.
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    Is anyone else afraid Bird is going to make some knee jerk trade before our expirings are at their full value due to his desire for this team to finish 10th, rather than 13th, in the East and have no chance at a good lottery pick? Unless there is some GM drinking serious Murphy and Ford kool-aid out there there is little chance Bird can make a beneficial trade with the chips he has at the moment.

    This is a good point and my biggest fear. That he'll screw up the plan. If he under trades those chips, it does screw them on two levels. You make a great point.

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    I don't place any importance on Bird's comments. Reading between the lines, he doesn't want to verbally give the players any indication that O'Brien's job might be in any trouble at all. That is the whole purpose of the "vote of confidence"

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    I don't place any importance on Bird's comments. Reading between the lines, he doesn't want to verbally give the players any indication that O'Brien's job might be in any trouble at all. That is the whole purpose of the "vote of confidence"
    The players aren't stupid. They know changes need to be made. A "vote of confidence" does nothing for the players.
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    Great, those comments sound more divisive, then unifying. So he must feel it is the players fault. Not sure I agree with him, but they certainly should share in the responsibility of the teams over all play.

    In terms of the plan, not sure he is going screw it up, not really sure what he is going to do at this point. The moves we can make are so limited. My confidence in Bird is waning.
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    I don't place any importance on Bird's comments. Reading between the lines, he doesn't want to verbally give the players any indication that O'Brien's job might be in any trouble at all. That is the whole purpose of the "vote of confidence"
    Yes, you are probably right about that, nice observation.
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    So IF the problem is "a culture of losing" and IF bringing in even a "rented" player helps turn that around and IF our young guys manage to turn around doing it, why would this be horrible? I mean, except for those who think you can't win a championship without a #1 pick, which we'll never get anyway.

    I don't like it, I think changing coaches is easier and makes more sense, but I don't think it is a disaster compared to what is already going on.
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    I don't place any importance on Bird's comments. Reading between the lines, he doesn't want to verbally give the players any indication that O'Brien's job might be in any trouble at all. That is the whole purpose of the "vote of confidence"
    What is the purpose of that IF you are getting rid of the coach? I'm not sure what Bird gains with his comment unless he plans on keeping the coach.

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    Bird's comments were directed at the players saying "if you are unhappy I'm not bowing to your wishes, make the best of it or I'll help you out the door. I'm not giving in to you."

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    I've already outlined how JOB will be fired in another thread.
    But it seems Bird has completely left out the initial step of the hot seat rumor, and has gone to the stand by your man step. 2 weeks at most.

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    This was posted in the Star at 1:30pm today.
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    Bird: O'Brien's job is secure


    By Mike Wells
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    CHICAGO – Indiana Pacers president Larry Bird has a message for those screaming for a coaching change: Jim O’Brien will not be fired.

    Bird, frustrated like everybody else about the team’s problems, said he has no intention of changing coaches. If anything changes, it will be the roster, he said.

    “Jim is going to be here, that’s one thing the players have to know,” Bird said today. “The coach is secure. We wouldn’t have picked up his option if we didn’t think he was secure. If the players have a problems with Jim, the players are the ones that are probably going to leave.”

    The Pacers have lost six consecutive games and are coming off a 34-point loss to the Miami Heat on Sunday.

    The Pacers play the Chicago Bulls on Tuesday.

    “I don’t like what I’m seeing,” said Bird, who acknowledged that he’s talking to other teams about possible trades. “Going in we expected to compete and be in every game. I thought last year we played very hard and had a chance to make the playoffs at the end. The play on the court now, it’s no excuse, we have to be able to compete on a nightly basis.”

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    Ok,


    I offically want to throw up.

    God will he ever hold anyone accountable. Bird is doing this to send a message to the players that he supports Obie, even if he teaches no defense, and to jack up 3's all day long.

    I am at loss for words right now , and I swear if I hear the " Granger has been out or injury speech I am going to handcuff myself to conseco and go on a national hunger strike


    Bird is an ego maniac and he is single handidly ruining our franchise

    Why is it that every other writer, nba expert outside of Indy can see how pitiful this team is yet Bird can't?

    By the way anyone else think Bird is not so subtley telling Obie to play Tyler? I mean think about it Tyler is the opposite of a player Jim likes. Tyler cant shot the three and is not a pick and pop guy. I bet if Bird had not drafted Tyler that he would be on the bench next to Obie

    And what a great PR move by Bird. "I have a message for all the hardworking, loyal, few fans we have left, I will pay you know mind and continue to feed the masses these blatant lies about this mysticl 3 year plan"

    Maybe his plan is to single handidly destroy the franchise after three years

    Maybe Mel knew something?

    Maybe Walsh did as well

    Maybe it would be safer to my heart to find a new passion in life

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    Wow. Just wow...

    No, not just wow.

    So, who are we gonna trade? The players who have had visible attitude problems about O'B and playing time? Those who have suddenly regressed to being totally ineffective in recent games? Rush, Hibbert, Dahntay Jones, Dunleavy, and Ford all come immediately to mind, with anyone not named Granger or Hansbrough a possibility, and Danny might need to be included to move any of the rest of them at this point.

    T.S. Eliot's ending to "The Hollow Men" comes to mind:

    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a wimper.

    It seems like the future of the franchise rides on any moves made at this point. Bird indicates that the intention is to compete on a nightly basis and that the current play is unacceptable. Well, Bird had better be prepared to take the horrendous flak that he will endure when the remainder of this season implodes unless he makes moves that are easily defensible, or unless things actually improve, which I seriously doubt happens under O'B.

    If I were Danny Granger, I would be approaching Herb about working out a deal with Phoenix or Dallas or Denver somehow in an effort to be close to home in New Mexico.

    It feels as if things are about to either be fixed or destroyed in their entirety, not to be rebuilt. I truly hope that I am wrong.

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    Wow I didn't know that coaches had the ability to fill up the stands. If Bird is not careful he will force the team right out of Indiana. Players need to respect the coach, but the GM needs to respect the overall game. If the GM has the feeling that the players are not playing for a coach then make the trade, but the problem is no other team wants the players we currently have. Since that is the case a change has to be made by the GM to fix the problem which in turn is to change the problem he can control which is the coach.

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    One of the things Bird and Jimmy have in common is STUBBORNESS. I've heard stubborn people don't like to be told what to do or forced to do what they don't like.

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    The players aren't stupid. They know changes need to be made. A "vote of confidence" does nothing for the players.
    Ok, then going by your line of thinking there is nothing anyone can say that will make any difference. So If Bird comes out tomorow and says that he isn't happy with OB and that they are looking to replace him. That comment is no different from the comment in this thread?? No, there is a dfieerence between a thought a rumor and when your boss says changes are likely

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    One of the things Bird and Jimmy have in common is STUBBORNESS. I've heard stubborn people don't like to be told what to do or forced to do what they don't like.
    Justin,

    Great point man. I think this is what Mel Daniels basically was referring to.

    Bird is surviving right now off his past rep. If the GM was named David Kahn for example , then he would now be David "Gone"
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    Ok, then going by your line of thinking there is nothing anyone can say that will make any difference. So If Bird comes out tomorow and says that he isn't happy with OB and that they are looking to replace him. That comment is no different from the comment in this thread?? No, there is a dfieerence between a thought a rumor and when your boss says changes are likely
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    How do you think Birds defiant JB is going nowhere" effects the loyal fans and season ticket holders. Is this not kind of a slap in the face?
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    This is getting good, you can easily look at it both ways though (Birds comments). I think we all want to see some change and JOB is a great place to start, it's the easiest place to start. I don't know why Bird bothered extending him, he still seems to be a lame duck coach to me.
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