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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

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  • #91
    Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

    Originally posted by SkipperZ View Post
    Honestly if you could choose between these Pacers making the playoffs and losing in the first round, or having the worst record in teh league who would REALLY choose the playoffs. Honestly...
    Those who are shortsighted and have low standards.

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    • #92
      Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

      Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
      Those who are shortsighted and have low standards.
      Shortsighted I can see, but low standards is incorrect and almost insulting. It's perfectly understandable to have a "just win" mentality and root for your team to win at all times. Low standards is an inappropriate label.

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      • #93
        Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

        Someone really needs to define what a "true fan" is, actually. Is that someone who doesn't miss a game on TV? In person? Someone who spends most of their income in team merchandise?

        What is a true fan?

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        • #94
          Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

          Originally posted by nerveghost View Post
          We can't get a robotic arm in the lower part of the first round, unfortunately.

          Maybe not, but I hear rumors of Josh McRoberts having a robotic fist in his beard that punches people in the throat who talks about his hot mom...


          LMAO !!!



          Chuck Norris has one as well...


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          • #95
            Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

            Originally posted by Kemo View Post
            Maybe not, but I hear rumors of Josh McRoberts having a robotic fist in his beard that punches people in the throat who talks about his hot mom...


            LMAO !!!



            Chuck Norris has one as well...


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            Even halfway sober that is funny.

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            • #96
              Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
              Shortsighted I can see, but low standards is incorrect and almost insulting. It's perfectly understandable to have a "just win" mentality and root for your team to win at all times. Low standards is an inappropriate label.
              i completely agree that there is nothing wrong at all with a just win mentality and rooting for your team to win at all times

              everytime i turn on a pacer game I root for them to win. I would never root against the Pacers. but still when I step back and look at the big picture, I know that at the end of the season, this team is better off gambling through the draft to try to get that 2nd star than to build solely around Granger by signing guys like Dahntay Jones and drafting guys like Brandon Rush.

              Yes there are NO guarantees through the draft. None whatsoever. But that little chance we have of getting a star in the draft is way better than the 0% chance we have of getting one through free agency. Or through trades. We don't have a Dale Davis to go land us a Jermaine O'neal. Our guys mostly have negative trade value at this point.

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              • #97
                Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

                Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                Someone really needs to define what a "true fan" is, actually. Is that someone who doesn't miss a game on TV? In person? Someone who spends most of their income in team merchandise?

                What is a true fan?
                There is absolutely no way to define this because it is all subjective.


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                • #98
                  Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

                  Originally posted by SkipperZ View Post
                  Honestly if you could choose between these Pacers making the playoffs and losing in the first round, or having the worst record in teh league who would REALLY choose the playoffs. Honestly...
                  I choose to make the Playoffs......Playoff experience ( even if it means a quick exit ) for a young Team is very important. Making the Playoffs 2 seasons ago for the Hawks made a HUGE difference in the way they played and gave them the boost in confidence that they needed that allowed them to build upon a solid season and Playoff run.

                  And before you say it....no, I'm not saying that we are as good as the Hawks.....I'm saying that Playoff Experience...even at the 8th spot playing the best Team in the leageu...is important for a young Team.
                  Last edited by CableKC; 12-25-2009, 04:37 AM.
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                  • #99
                    Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    I choose to make the Playoffs......Playoff experience ( even if it means a quick exit ) for a young Team is very important. Making the Playoffs 2 seasons ago for the Hawks made a HUGE difference in the way they played and gave them the boost in confidence that they needed that allowed them to build upon a solid season and Playoff run.

                    And before you say it....no, I'm not saying that we are as good as the Hawks.....I'm saying that Playoff Experience...even at the 8th spot playing the best Team in the leageu...is important for a young Team.
                    i agree if you have young talent to build upon playoff experience can be very valuable for a young team. I completely agree that for those Hawks of 2 years ago, with Horford, Joe, Josh Smith and Marvin Williams in place, you DEFINITELY would rather have playoff experience than another lottery pick. But it took lottery picks and bad teams to get Horford and Josh and Marvin. (Well Josh wasnt a lottery pick but he was a draft pick regardless)

                    Its like the Thunder this year. Sure antoehr lottery pick might be great, but theyre around the level where they need to be in terms of young talent that playoff experience becomes invaluable. If I'm the Thunder, and I have a Durant and co., then bring on the playoffs.

                    The problem is the way I see it we have 2 young players to develop... Granger and Hibbert. Its just not enough... You said it when you said we are not as good as the Hawks. I don't give a rat's behind about getting Dunleavy, or Troy, or Watson, or TJ Ford, or hell even Brandon Rush or Dahntay Jones, etc. etc. playoff experience. Because as long as those guys are main cogs on this team we have no chance of winning, no matter how much playoff experience they get. We need to build the talent first before playoff experience becomes a necessity.

                    You say you would rather have a 1st round exit than the worst team in the league for THIS team. Can you honestly say that you think for the upcoming 5 years that it would be better for this team of mismatched players, devoid of talent or potential, 5 games in the playoffs to go along with a 15th pick rather than a 25% chance at a franchise changing, perennial all-star point guard in John Wall? 80% of this team (hopefully) won't be on this team in 5 years.

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                    • Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

                      Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                      The whole moral of that was that you keep fighting. Just because it was a fictional story doesn't mean it's message can't apply to reality.
                      Hold on! I don't think 90'sNBARocked disagrees about letting the players play hard. What he, atleast what I think he is saying is: trade some of the veterans who aren't working out or don't have a longterm future here for expirings, picks and smaller contracts. Then: let some of the younger and less experienced players play a bit more (Price, McBob and Jones I suppose?).

                      I think you took his story out of context and made it into something that's easy to disagree with. I agree with 90'sNBARocked on this. Next to a new coach at the end of this season or during the summer we need a talent infusion, even though the relatively higher draft pick will also be getting a higher rookie salary then which works against our cap.

                      Signing FA's hasn't exactly been the Pacers prerogative the past decades and maybe Morway and Bird will change that if they go into that direction instead of trading our expirings for decent/starplayers. But, if they do then that in itself is a longterm move.

                      Having a year in which we play hard, but simply suck would net us a much better chance at a prospect who can have a strong positive impact on our team (I didn't say it's a guarantee though, mind you). I think that would benefit the interest of our team. This no-mans land crap isn't helping anybody and isn't going to attract hordes of fans either. Also I would support our team to win everygame, always, but our team without those beforementioned veterans would have less chance of winning them (in the short term).

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                      • Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

                        I believe a fan should always root for their team to win. That doesn't mean the team will fulfill that desire for the fan, however, the fan should always want their team to win.

                        That said I believe the Pacers could go the whole season with 0 wins and somehow still end up with 13th pick in the draft.

                        Merry Christmas everyone.

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                        • Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

                          Absolutely.

                          I'm not going to root for them to lose, and I don't want them to tank. But I want to play all the youngsters and let the chips fall as they may. We BADLY need a Top 5 pick if we have any hope of being better than mediocre anytime in the near future.

                          This is a marathon, not a sprint.

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                          • Re: Can a TRUE fan wish his team will lose?

                            Originally posted by Peck View Post
                            There is absolutely no way to define this because it is all subjective.
                            Exactly.

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