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    Personal belief, not joking. No one official has said anything.

    If I were Jeff I'd be wondering since I keep going down, I can't really stay on the floor as much as I'd like to. All the rehabbing, doctors, special workouts and etc. etc. It maybe time to hang it all up. It was a good run.
    I agree that he is nearing the end due to his chronic back issues.

    I just hope to be able to see him for a little while longer, and will appreciate whatever we get to see from here on out perhaps a little more due to the knowledge that time for him in the league, and as a Pacer, is likely short.

    In my eyes, Jeff has been the consistent representation of what it once meant to be an Indiana Pacer, even through our darkest times in recent years.

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    Jeff will always be one of my alltime favorite Pacers players ever

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    Jeff will always be one of my alltime favorite Pacers players ever
    Why because he played hard, demonstrated dignity when the team was seen as less than dignified, and embodied the team spirit?

    Foster isn't gone yet and while he will have intermittent back problems for the rest of his playing days he will still contribute and his presence will be felt.

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    Jeff has been a good soldier over the years and he is one of my favorite Pacers of all-time. As much of a beating he's taken for the Blue and Gold over the years, he deserved the golden parachute. IMHO.

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    Ummm....He's only 33. Seriously doubt the flare up of a condition he's been dealing with for years forces retirement.

    He's played through it to the tune of 74+ games per season for the last three years. Find it hard to believe a guy with a specialist skill like he has would pass up millions of dollars and the chance to continue his life's dream over some back pain.

    Dwight Howard can mess up a lot of peoples' weeks.

    If he's still not playing three weeks from now then maybe it's remotely fair or logical to start talking about a 33-year-old retiring.
    His age I think isn't an appropriate argument, because he doesn't play, or is on the floor enough for a 33-year-old. He still is young, but his body doesn't act like it. Otherwise it's possible for me to agree with you.

    But there could be a point-break where enough is enough. You start to not enjoy something after is causes you a lot of pain and frustration...to the point to where you can't enjoy it anymore. That and these constant injuries could be affecting his personal life, you know.

    I'm not going to say his quality of life is low or poor, but when you are constantly injured you really don't have a lot to be happy about.

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    I'm not going to say his quality of life is low or poor, but when you are constantly injured you really don't have a lot to be happy about.

    ...And then you look in your wallet... and then check your bank account.... And then you get happy again...
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    Why because he played hard, demonstrated dignity when the team was seen as less than dignified, and embodied the team spirit?

    Foster isn't gone yet and while he will have intermittent back problems for the rest of his playing days he will still contribute and his presence will be felt.
    the reason why he'll always be one of my alltime favorites has nothing to do with him demonstrating dignity when his teammates didn't. I expect every player to be a good person to a certain degree

    Three reason mainly - 1) he played hard all the time and I love players who do that. I believe it is a real NBA skill / talent to be able to do that - it is not something that anyone and everyone could do.
    2) I just enjoyed watching him play - he was often inspiring to me
    3) I always thought he was under-appreciated by a lot of fans and especially in this forum, seemed to me that too many focused on his faults and either ddn't or couldn't see his many good qualities as a player

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    ...And then you look in your wallet... and then check your bank account.... And then you get happy again...


    I sure hope Foster sents Bird more than a card for Christmas!

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    the reason why he'll always be one of my alltime favorites has nothing to do with him demonstrating dignity when his teammates didn't. I expect every player to be a good person to a certain degree
    You may have expected it but you didn't always get it.

    Anyway I like him too and expect that his back problems will limiting but not career threatening.

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    Wow, you guys are really jumping the gun here. I'm not sure what you're seeing here to suggest a career ending injury.

    I personally think he'll probably play another 2-3 years.

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    ...And then you look in your wallet... and then check your bank account.... And then you get happy again...
    I've tried that but "happy again" isn't what I would necessarily call it.

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    ...And then you look in your wallet... and then check your bank account.... And then you get happy again...
    Yeah, but what if you can't travel well?

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    Three reason mainly - 1) he played hard all the time and I love players who do that. I believe it is a real NBA skill / talent to be able to do that - it is not something that anyone and everyone could do.
    2) I just enjoyed watching him play - he was often inspiring to me
    3) I always thought he was under-appreciated by a lot of fans and especially in this forum, seemed to me that too many focused on his faults and either ddn't or couldn't see his many good qualities as a player
    All of the above, and man, if he could only have averaged more minutes per game when he was younger...Plus as I mentioned before, he is really moving up the franchise's all-time lists in a couple of major categories. I hope to see him banging around under the net with Dwight Howard on Jan. 5 when the Magic visit. I have several fond memories of watching them play against each other. He does about as good as anyone in containing Howard.

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    Ummm....He's only 33. Seriously doubt the flare up of a condition he's been dealing with for years forces retirement.

    He's played through it to the tune of 74+ games per season for the last three years. Find it hard to believe a guy with a specialist skill like he has would pass up millions of dollars and the chance to continue his life's dream over some back pain.

    Dwight Howard can mess up a lot of peoples' weeks.

    If he's still not playing three weeks from now then maybe it's remotely fair or logical to start talking about a 33-year-old retiring.
    Right there with JR on this one. Jeff's not done, he's just done killing himself when it's not necessary. He's got a back that now requires maintenance, but he appears to still like playing and obviously is still pretty good at it when feeling even partially healthy.

    I think Dun is closer to being "finished" due to injury than Jeff is. He's gone through these same back issues for years, they aren't new.

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    As much of a beating he's taken for the Blue and Gold over the years, he deserved the golden parachute.
    Agreed, that's what his current contract amounts to. It's a thank-you deal to keep him here and let him retire a Pacer.
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    During the last game I watched they did a little interview with Jeff. They talked about him getting his degree, and he mentioned that he thought it would help him after his playing days were over. He talked about wanting to work in professional basketball in some capacity (coaching, management, etc.) when he was done.

    I don't necessarily think this means anything, but it at least speaks to the fact that he knows his career will be ending sooner rather than later. I'd love to see him play another couple years. I'd also love to see him get a job within the organization in some capacity after he retires.
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    Ummm....He's only 33. Seriously doubt the flare up of a condition he's been dealing with for years forces retirement.

    He's played through it to the tune of 74+ games per season for the last three years. Find it hard to believe a guy with a specialist skill like he has would pass up millions of dollars and the chance to continue his life's dream over some back pain.

    Dwight Howard can mess up a lot of peoples' weeks.

    If he's still not playing three weeks from now then maybe it's remotely fair or logical to start talking about a 33-year-old retiring.
    My opinion exactly.

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    Ummm....He's only 33. Seriously doubt the flare up of a condition he's been dealing with for years forces retirement.

    He's played through it to the tune of 74+ games per season for the last three years. Find it hard to believe a guy with a specialist skill like he has would pass up millions of dollars and the chance to continue his life's dream over some back pain.

    Dwight Howard can mess up a lot of peoples' weeks.

    If he's still not playing three weeks from now then maybe it's remotely fair or logical to start talking about a 33-year-old retiring.
    I agree. There's still a long season to go. He'll be out for probably the majority of the season if not than the whole season, but I think he'll be back at least sometime next season for one more year.

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    When he does retire, in my opinion (so don't bash me) he deserves his number retired. The guy has done everything for us, things that no player can ever replace. Both on, and off the court. He's the consummate professional and he is/was one of the funnest players to watch, along with being useful for what he does. A lot of what he does translates into so much more than it shows on the scorecard, like getting virtually impossible rebounds and inventing the 'ol tip out rebound that a lot of players have picked up on.

    I would be completely and utterly appalled if we didn't retire his number.

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    Inventing the tip rebound? Inventing? Really?

    Also, I know you said it's your opinion, but since you also said you would be appalled if his number isn't retired, be prepared to be appalled.

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    When he does retire, in my opinion (so don't bash me) he deserves his number retired. The guy has done everything for us, things that no player can ever replace. Both on, and off the court. He's the consummate professional and he is/was one of the funnest players to watch, along with being useful for what he does. A lot of what he does translates into so much more than it shows on the scorecard, like getting virtually impossible rebounds and inventing the 'ol tip out rebound that a lot of players have picked up on.

    I would be completely and utterly appalled if we didn't retire his number.
    I realize that you are 18 so I understand it would not be fair to expect you to have seen some other great rebounders of the past but please understand that Jeff is neither the first one to do it nor are people copying him. Denis Rodman used to do this all of the time but he was not the inventor either. I'm not sure who would be credited for this however I have seen very old video of George Mikan doing something very similar to this although it was really more of a pass as George was much bigger than most players of his era.

    Jeff was a profesional and has represnted the franchise well both on and off of the court. But that said there are so many other players that deserve their number retired from our franchise before he does that I would almost put him about 10 or more back.

    However I kind of like the fact that our franchise only retires numbers for players who are beyond good and not just everyone. Over at MSA we used to have a wall of fame but I don't know if that came to the fieldhouse when we moved or not?


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    Over at MSA we used to have a wall of fame but I don't know if that came to the fieldhouse when we moved or not?
    It's hard telling with all the showcases on the main concourse, but there are a ton of framed items from players of the past, more noticablly from decent to good players.

    I'm still having a hard time wondering why they bothered placing Bob Hill and Dick Vercace on the walls, though.

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    Huge Foster fan here, but if you retire his number you need to retire about 20 other Pacers at the same time...starting with Rik Smits, Dale Davis and Mark Jackson....who are all much better NBA players than Jeff.

    Just as a comparison. Dale had 5 seasons averaging 10 or more points a game. He had 7 seasons right around 9 boards or higher with a peak of 10.9 boards. He had a career averages of 1.2 blocks, 8 points, 53 FG%...with nearly 8 boards.

    Jeff has 4 seasons averaging 6-7ppg. He had 3 seasons right around 9 boards with a peak of 9.1 boards. Jeff doesn't have the presence Dale did...and he doesn't really block shots. He currently has a career averages of 5 points, 50% FG%...with 7 boards.

    Again, he's a good player but would have been a career backup behind Dale.

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    When he does retire, in my opinion (so don't bash me) he deserves his number retired. The guy has done everything for us, things that no player can ever replace. Both on, and off the court. He's the consummate professional and he is/was one of the funnest players to watch, along with being useful for what he does. A lot of what he does translates into so much more than it shows on the scorecard, like getting virtually impossible rebounds and inventing the 'ol tip out rebound that a lot of players have picked up on.

    I would be completely and utterly appalled if we didn't retire his number.
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    Classic.
    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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