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Jeff Foster update (02/01/10: Out for the season; back surgery)

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  • #46
    Re: Jeff Foster update

    Originally posted by JGray View Post
    When he does retire, in my opinion (so don't bash me) he deserves his number retired. The guy has done everything for us, things that no player can ever replace. Both on, and off the court. He's the consummate professional and he is/was one of the funnest players to watch, along with being useful for what he does. A lot of what he does translates into so much more than it shows on the scorecard, like getting virtually impossible rebounds and inventing the 'ol tip out rebound that a lot of players have picked up on.

    I would be completely and utterly appalled if we didn't retire his number.
    I realize that you are 18 so I understand it would not be fair to expect you to have seen some other great rebounders of the past but please understand that Jeff is neither the first one to do it nor are people copying him. Denis Rodman used to do this all of the time but he was not the inventor either. I'm not sure who would be credited for this however I have seen very old video of George Mikan doing something very similar to this although it was really more of a pass as George was much bigger than most players of his era.

    Jeff was a profesional and has represnted the franchise well both on and off of the court. But that said there are so many other players that deserve their number retired from our franchise before he does that I would almost put him about 10 or more back.

    However I kind of like the fact that our franchise only retires numbers for players who are beyond good and not just everyone. Over at MSA we used to have a wall of fame but I don't know if that came to the fieldhouse when we moved or not?


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    • #47
      Re: Jeff Foster update

      Originally posted by Peck View Post
      Over at MSA we used to have a wall of fame but I don't know if that came to the fieldhouse when we moved or not?
      It's hard telling with all the showcases on the main concourse, but there are a ton of framed items from players of the past, more noticablly from decent to good players.

      I'm still having a hard time wondering why they bothered placing Bob Hill and Dick Vercace on the walls, though.

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      • #48
        Re: Jeff Foster update

        Huge Foster fan here, but if you retire his number you need to retire about 20 other Pacers at the same time...starting with Rik Smits, Dale Davis and Mark Jackson....who are all much better NBA players than Jeff.

        Just as a comparison. Dale had 5 seasons averaging 10 or more points a game. He had 7 seasons right around 9 boards or higher with a peak of 10.9 boards. He had a career averages of 1.2 blocks, 8 points, 53 FG%...with nearly 8 boards.

        Jeff has 4 seasons averaging 6-7ppg. He had 3 seasons right around 9 boards with a peak of 9.1 boards. Jeff doesn't have the presence Dale did...and he doesn't really block shots. He currently has a career averages of 5 points, 50% FG%...with 7 boards.

        Again, he's a good player but would have been a career backup behind Dale.

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        • #49
          Re: Jeff Foster update

          Originally posted by JGray View Post
          When he does retire, in my opinion (so don't bash me) he deserves his number retired. The guy has done everything for us, things that no player can ever replace. Both on, and off the court. He's the consummate professional and he is/was one of the funnest players to watch, along with being useful for what he does. A lot of what he does translates into so much more than it shows on the scorecard, like getting virtually impossible rebounds and inventing the 'ol tip out rebound that a lot of players have picked up on.

          I would be completely and utterly appalled if we didn't retire his number.
          "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

          -Lance Stephenson

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          • #50
            Re: Jeff Foster update

            Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post


            Classic.
            "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

            Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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            • #51
              Re: Jeff Foster update

              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
              Huge Foster fan here, but if you retire his number you need to retire about 20 other Pacers at the same time...starting with Rik Smits, Dale Davis and Mark Jackson....who are all much better NBA players than Jeff.....Again, he's a good player but would have been a career backup behind Dale.
              Love this board because there are so many areas for healthy debate. I have not been a Pacers fan long enough to appreciate the old-timers like others can, but even if Foster does not get his jersy retired, many could argue that he is worthy. In an earlier post, I mentioned how Jeff is creeping up the all-time lists. He will likely finish as the all-time leader in offensive rebounds, is moving up in total rebounds, I think he is #3 in total games, in the top 10 in steals. He's missed a bunch of games, and has had his minutes purposely limited (to conserve his back) during several of the past seasons even when healthy. So his numbers defensively would be even higher, but for things somewhat out of his control. Even so, many have brought up the intangibles that he provides. Hard to compare him in that area, but this is a part of his game.

              Somewhat disconcerting to me though is the fact that he is listed as day-to-day as of yesterday, he was not on the bench in a suit or otherwise.

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              • #52
                Re: Jeff Foster update

                Originally posted by joeyd View Post
                Love this board because there are so many areas for healthy debate. I have not been a Pacers fan long enough to appreciate the old-timers like others can, but even if Foster does not get his jersy retired, many could argue that he is worthy. In an earlier post, I mentioned how Jeff is creeping up the all-time lists. He will likely finish as the all-time leader in offensive rebounds, is moving up in total rebounds, I think he is #3 in total games, in the top 10 in steals. He's missed a bunch of games, and has had his minutes purposely limited (to conserve his back) during several of the past seasons even when healthy. So his numbers defensively would be even higher, but for things somewhat out of his control. Even so, many have brought up the intangibles that he provides. Hard to compare him in that area, but this is a part of his game.

                Somewhat disconcerting to me though is the fact that he is listed as day-to-day as of yesterday, he was not on the bench in a suit or otherwise.
                Hey!!!!!!!!

                Oh wait...

                Damn I'm old. Where is Geezer so I can talk to him and feel younger again.


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                • #53
                  Re: Jeff Foster update

                  Anyone heard an update on Bird's 12 mil $ Man's injury, or when we'll be graced with his presence on the court again? How many games has he missed now? I've lost track since it seems to be eons ago he ever donned a Pacers uni.

                  Oh BTW, I enjoyed the piece they showed about him visiting a local school during the Lakers game where he was constantly asked "how tall are you?" At 6'11", he's probably the tallest person most of those children have ever seen up close and in person. He seems to be a great PR person for the Pacers in the community.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Jeff Foster update

                    I'll answer my own question. Foster has been out since the Dec 19 game. That's 22 games or almost half the games already played.

                    Apparently, nothing on his return status is known.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Jeff Foster update

                      I'm embarrassed by having to say I'm computer impared. There is an article on Realgm by John Hollinger/True Hoop today saying that Foster will likely require back surgury and be out the rest of the season.

                      Could someone with the ability post this article to to this thread? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

                      Justin

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                      • #56
                        Re: Jeff Foster update

                        Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
                        http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...uggets-rolling

                        "Incidentally, it appears they’ll be doing it more or less with the current roster. Multiple sources said Denver’s longstanding pursuit of Indiana’s Jeff Foster is over because he’s likely to require surgery for his injured back and miss the rest of the season."

                        More Murph all the time! Jeff down for the season likely means reluctance to trade Murph now.
                        Ugh.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Jeff Foster update (02/01/10: Out for the season; back surgery)

                          I feel bad for Jeff.

                          My inside Jeff Foster sources have been telling me for a few weeks that he'll retire after this season. Not a done deal but he is leaning towards retiring.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Jeff Foster update (02/01/10: Out for the season; back surgery)

                            Jeff, like Diener, should have had a more indepth evaluation of his physical condition in the off season and had the required surgery (if the report is true) during the off season. It hasn't been a mystery that Jeff has had back problems for years, but instead of going ahead and truly evaluating the problem, the team docs just kept putting "band aides" on it.

                            I understand the concerns for career ending surgery and all, but IMO if a player is that valuable to your team you don't seek the quick fix; you do real medical evaluations to determine the cause then you do what you have to do to fix the problem.

                            In a twisted kind of way, this reminds me of what transpired over JO's knee problem. The only decent thing to come out of this was that they've kept Jeff out until they determined he really couldn't play through his injury unlike what they seemed to have "forced" onto JO. The difference here is Foster isn't being paid a small fortune nor does he carry the franchise player tag. But his rebounding and under-rated post defense are two elements this team sorely misses.

                            I feel for the guy, but IMO this is something that should have been looked at and a decision made to take care of it long ago.
                            Last edited by NuffSaid; 02-01-2010, 10:54 AM.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Jeff Foster update (02/01/10: Out for the season; back surgery)

                              IMO we need to trade Murph even more now! Jeff was a bargining chip we have now lost. If we intend on getting under the tax for n/y & still have some options this summer, we need to get the help where ever we can.

                              Screw the lack of depth @ the 4/5. Last I checked we have S.Jones & McBob who don't play as is. It's like having a pool with a divider rope up 24/7, having depth does you no good if you don't use what you got. Besides, isn't there something I read about once called the NBADL? I hear it's a perfect opportinity for a team going no where to take a flyer on a young, hungry big wanting to prove he belongs. (Some spirit & desire might be nice to have around here.) Worst case - more ping-pong balls, more breathing room under the cap, and one less crutch for JO'B.

                              Wonder if Foster walks away if surgery is indeed needed. Can't see him pushing to get back to this mess, & knowing he too will be gone after n/y can't help inspire him much. I have heard from a guy who talks w/ him on occation that he has been smart w/ his money & would be comfortable walking away when the time comes. He has a family he enjoys & knows his time is shorter then it is long. Being a Pacer at heart, it would be nice to see him make a decision that could help both himself & this team move forward.
                              "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
                              (Watching You Like A Hawk!)

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                              • #60
                                Re: Jeff Foster update (02/01/10: Out for the season; back surgery)

                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                I feel bad for Jeff.

                                My inside Jeff Foster sources have been telling me for a few weeks that he'll retire after this season. Not a done deal but he is leaning towards retiring.
                                If he does retire, you can still trade his contract away no?
                                Sittin on top of the world!

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