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    Default Jeff Foster update (02/01/10: Out for the season; back surgery)

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    Foster out indefinitely

    The Pacers plan to keep center Jeff Foster sidelined until his ailing back allows him to play extended minutes.

    Foster missed his second straight game with a sore lower back. He flew to Boston on Monday to meet with physical therapist Dan Dyrek.

    Foster said his latest back injury is from banging with Orlando center Dwight Howard in the post last week.

    "We have to just make sure that Jeff gets over this back problem for good instead of trying to piece him together and give him a good rubdown," Pacers coach Jim O'Brien said. "We don't want to have him go seven minutes and have (the back) go out again. He'll be back when we think we can play him for an extended period of time without risking further problems."

    Solomon Jones will continue to back up starter Roy Hibbert.

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    "We have to just make sure that Jeff gets over this back problem for good instead of trying to piece him together and give him a good rubdown," Pacers coach Jim O'Brien said. "We don't want to have him go seven minutes and have (the back) go out again.
    Holy ****! You think? Maybe you should have tried this approach with Granger? I dunno, just a hunch.

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    This is a good move. Depressing, but safe. Fosters career is probably over, and maybe now Josh and Solo can crack the rotation. Foster can come in next year and play in the playoffs and call it a career.
    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    I would not at all be surprised if Jeff retires. Back problems never go away.

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    This is a good move. Depressing, but safe. Fosters career is probably over, and maybe now Josh and Solo can crack the rotation. Foster can come in next year and play in the playoffs and call it a career.
    I agree with giving SoloJ more playing time, and while I believe he'd be more effective playing at PF, we really need him at Center right now. Ideally, I'd go with:

    C - Hibbert/Murphy
    PF - Hansborough/Solo
    PG - Watson/Ford
    SF - Granger/Dahntay
    SG - BRush/Dunleavy

    But there are problems with such a lineup.

    For starter, playing Murphy at Center significantly limit his ability to shot the 3-ball or be affective at attacking the basket starting outside the paint. Love him or hate him, Troy Murphy is very good at working from the outside in vice the inside out. So, you use the strengths of the player to help your team and not force certain issues. And in this case, forcing Troy Murphy to play like a big bodied Center just ain't going to cut it. He's a strong shooting and attacking PF. To that, JOB plays to this player's strengths, not his weaknesses.

    Two other areas of concern are SG and SF. Once Granger returns, I think a decision needs to be made as to where to play himself, Dunleavy and Dahntay. They've all switched between SF and SG at some point, but Granger's return will require JOB to take a deep look at exactly what position these guys will play on a regular basis. In my mind, you play Dahntay and Dunleavy at SF w/Dahntay as your starter, and play Granger and BRush at SG w/Granger as your starter. Why?

    1. You want Dahntay to do what he does best: DEFEND. I think the early scoring by Dahntay was a fluke. But you start him to hound the opposing team's best offensive Wing threat.

    2. You bring Dunleavy off the bench at SF to keep a scorer on the floor with the reserves. You also want to take advantage of Dunleavy's quickness, his ability to drive baseline and his ability post-up most smaller players from this position.

    3. You move Granger to SG to take full advantage of his shooting range. Same goes for BRush except you allow him the freedom to decide either to take the 3pt shot, step inside for the 2-pt jumper or drive baseline. So, with this in mind, he's what I think should be the Pacers true lineup:

    C - Hibbert/Solo
    PF - Hansborough/Murphy
    PG - Watson/Ford
    SF - Dahntay/Dunleavy
    SG - Granger/BRush

    I believe this lineup/rotation would do four things for the Pacers:

    1. Provide balance on offense and defense among the starters.
    2. Provide a stronger defensive presence among the starters which would allow them to get out to faster starts.
    3. Allow the starters to maintain tempo and control w/Watson at the Point.
    4. Maintain an ability to score the ball once any of the starting Wing players are rotated out of the lineup.

    But none of it can happen until Granger returns.

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    He's not coming back.

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    I think we are jumping to conclusions (unless you are privy to some inside info)? Yeah, back problems are chronic, but plenty of big guys have back problems. It's often a matter of seeing the right person. Hopefully he is seeing the right person in Boston. I don't think he's done, but I do think that when he comes back, his "extended time" will be limited.

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    He's not coming back.
    Ever?


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    Ever?
    Never ever.

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    #10 up in the Fieldhouse rafters?

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    So uhh... that extension? Yeah... great idea.

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    #10 up in the Fieldhouse rafters?
    I like Jeff, but there's 0 chance of that.

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    I like Jeff, but there's 0 chance of that.
    Probably right, but he is moving up on several of the team's all-time leader lists (see http://www.basketball-reference.com/...rs_career.html). If he does play another season or two, he could end up ranking in the top 5 of many of these, including total rebounds. He is passing up some big names.

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    As I read through this thread, I see this:

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    (lengthy discussion of various line-up combinations, concluding with):

    But none of it can happen until Granger returns.
    And then right after that:

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    He's not coming back.

    I hope Dukie is referring to Foster, and not Granger!


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    Never ever.
    How can you possibly know this?

    Ordinarily, I would be extremely skeptical of anybody posting something like this, especially with such finality, but having read past postings by Peck regarding past inside info, and the fact that he is now asking you, and your response being what it is...

    Wow.

    If true, this is a significant punch to the gut. My favorite player since Reggie retired, and the only one I even have a jersey for because I haven't been inspired enough by anyone else to go get any others, is done?

    If true, things just keep getting better and better with a near metronomic consistency.

    While Jeff may not deserve a Bentley, he at least deserves a really tricked out super heavy duty bad-a** 4X4 king cab long bed dually pickup from the manufacturer of his choice. He has carried a load for this franchise for a long time now, and it is time for a little recognition, even without his jersey being lifted to the rafters.

    Please make this suggestion if you guys are able to.

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    I could be wrong, but I think Duke is just BSing about it.

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    No, I think he is at least partly serious. Now might be the right time for Foster to retire if the back isn't going to heal any time soon.

    And, of course, that would be right in line with Pacer luck - a player who has been contributing more than a number of others on the roster goes away without relief.

    Based on what Jeff was giving us on the floor I had no problems with the extension. But, of course, now it looks like a very bad move.
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    Foster - Future assistant coach?
    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    If a player retires that is under contract, what happens to the contract. Does it have to be honored for the duration, a team then no longer has to pay the players salary, the team gets immediate salary cap relief, the salary counts against the cap but team saves the salary, or what?

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    If a player retires that is under contract, what happens to the contract. Does it have to be honored for the duration, a team then no longer has to pay the players salary, the team gets immediate salary cap relief, the salary counts against the cap but team saves the salary, or what?
    Nope, the contract has to honored in full. Remember when Reggie retired he counted against the cap until they used the amnesty provision to take him off of the cap. They still had to pay him.

    Now if a player if forced to retire due to medical reasons they may be able to get insurance to pay the salary however I believe the player still counts against the cap.


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    How can you possibly know this?

    Ordinarily, I would be extremely skeptical of anybody posting something like this, especially with such finality, but having read past postings by Peck regarding past inside info, and the fact that he is now asking you, and your response being what it is...

    Wow.

    If true, this is a significant punch to the gut. My favorite player since Reggie retired, and the only one I even have a jersey for because I haven't been inspired enough by anyone else to go get any others, is done?

    If true, things just keep getting better and better with a near metronomic consistency.

    While Jeff may not deserve a Bentley, he at least deserves a really tricked out super heavy duty bad-a** 4X4 king cab long bed dually pickup from the manufacturer of his choice. He has carried a load for this franchise for a long time now, and it is time for a little recognition, even without his jersey being lifted to the rafters.

    Please make this suggestion if you guys are able to.
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    I could be wrong, but I think Duke is just BSing about it.
    Personal belief, not joking. No one official has said anything.

    If I were Jeff I'd be wondering since I keep going down, I can't really stay on the floor as much as I'd like to. All the rehabbing, doctors, special workouts and etc. etc. It maybe time to hang it all up. It was a good run.

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    Nope, the contract has to honored in full. Remember when Reggie retired he counted against the cap until they used the amnesty provision to take him off of the cap. They still had to pay him.

    Now if a player if forced to retire due to medical reasons they may be able to get insurance to pay the salary however I believe the player still counts against the cap.


    Counting against the cap and having to pay the contract in full when a player decides to retire are 2 separate things. I remember Reggie retiring, but it seems to me the Simons went ahead and paid Reggie's last year of his contract when they didn't have to do so out of loyalty to him. If that's truly the case of having to honor the contract of a retiring player, what's to keep any player from retiring a year after signing a nice big contract? I'm not saying you aren't correct, but that doesn't seem quite fair to ownership.

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    Foster - Future assistant coach?
    Only if we place him in charge of 'Good-Azz Defense'.
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    Personal belief, not joking. No one official has said anything.

    If I were Jeff I'd be wondering since I keep going down, I can't really stay on the floor as much as I'd like to. All the rehabbing, doctors, special workouts and etc. etc. It maybe time to hang it all up. It was a good run.
    Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if this is Foster's last year in the NBA. I really wouldn't blame him for retiring. It was a great run. He'll always be a fan favorite.

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    Ummm....He's only 33. Seriously doubt the flare up of a condition he's been dealing with for years forces retirement.

    He's played through it to the tune of 74+ games per season for the last three years. Find it hard to believe a guy with a specialist skill like he has would pass up millions of dollars and the chance to continue his life's dream over some back pain.

    Dwight Howard can mess up a lot of peoples' weeks.

    If he's still not playing three weeks from now then maybe it's remotely fair or logical to start talking about a 33-year-old retiring.
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