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    I'll defer to you. I honestly have not ever heard it but you listen to the post game far more than I do so I stand corrected.
    JOB has blamed himself for the team losing before. Just recently, he blamed himself for not bringing Dunleavy back into a game but instead relied on his time limit from his injury. At one point recently, he also questioned whether he should have gone with Watson over Ford sooner. So, he does get down on himself at times just as much as he gets onto the players.

    As to his not having an All-Star on the floor comment, I get where he's coming from with that, but it's really not about having an All-Star caliber player out there. It's about having players who play smart basketball, don't commit foolish turnovers, and will execute plays and knock down shots when it matters most. The Pacers shot themselves in the foot last night. They had a 15 pt lead WITHOUT an All-Star on the floor. There's absolutely no excuse for them losing that game except that they choked. Plain and simple.

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    What trades? We didn't make any trades this year.
    My bad. No trades just FA and draft picks.

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    He doesn't have to say anything of the sort. He is not forced to degrade the team...
    OB was just telling the truth but I guess that is now considered degrading his team.

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    My bad. No trades just FA and draft picks.
    I will give you that we anticipated on being better defensively with those FA signings, but outside of Dahntay there are no long-term solutions we obtained this summer. The draft picks are another story, because obviously they are rookies.

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    I will give you that we anticipated on being better defensively with those FA signings, but outside of Dahntay there are no long-term solutions we obtained this summer. The draft picks are another story, because obviously they are rookies.

    And the Pacers are better defensively this season. 7th best defensive field goal %. And at least part of the reason is Watson and Jones

    The offense is worse though.

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    • Pistons have a lot more talent on their team than we do. There is no doubt
    No doubt? Ugh. Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Jerebko, Maxiel, Stuckey?
    I, for one, believe this Pacers team has a lot more talent than this board gives credit.
    I think most posters here are willing to take the Eddie White line that says we should forget about this season and go for a draft pick. Yikes.
    I still think this season can be salvaged, there is some talent that is not being used appropriately, and the acceptance by "fans" that there is little to no talent on this team does not take into account the leadership (or lack of) that dominates the atmosphere. This team beat the Celtics at the Fieldhouse early on, and that was with Garnett.

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    I will give you that we anticipated on being better defensively with those FA signings, but outside of Dahntay there are no long-term solutions we obtained this summer. The draft picks are another story, because obviously they are rookies.
    I just don't see the development of our talent that can be credited to the coach. If he complains about having a lack of athletic talent and we get more athletic talent but still lose..... Whats that say? Maybe Quis and Jack were more important to the team than D. Jones, Tyler, Watson.

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    No doubt? Ugh. Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Jerebko, Maxiel, Stuckey?
    I, for one, believe this Pacers team has a lot more talent than this board gives credit.
    I think most posters here are willing to take the Eddie White line that says we should forget about this season and go for a draft pick. Yikes.
    I still think this season can be salvaged, there is some talent that is not being used appropriately, and the acceptance by "fans" that there is little to no talent on this team does not take into account the leadership (or lack of) that dominates the atmosphere. This team beat the Celtics at the Fieldhouse early on, and that was with Garnett.
    I didn't say there wasn't any talent. Look, every year there is going to be a bad or sub-average to average team that will beat a good or elite team. It's going to happen. One or two games don't make a team better than it really is. Sure you can rally off a win like we did against the Celtics, but if we can't repeat it then it's easy to write it off.

    Still, I can't agree with you on this. A lot of these players we have are good at achieving personal goals so to speak. They can put up numbers for sure. But as a team that doesn't help much. That is why I think that Detroit is better.

    Even though Rip and Tay are injured you have to include them. There are hardly any players on their roster I wouldn't like to have. Most of those players you have mentioned are guys that could make some kind of contribution to their team. Granted, the Pistons have been bitten with the injury bug just as we have, but I honestly think talent-wise their record doesn't show what they are capable of.

    Okay, and for the icing on the cake...you have to realize that I am defending the Pistons here. The Basketball Gods are crying right now because of this.
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    I just don't see the development of our talent that can be credited to the coach. If he complains about having a lack of athletic talent and we get more athletic talent but still lose..... Whats that say? Maybe Quis and Jack were more important to the team than D. Jones, Tyler, Watson.
    I would go the route of saying that Jack was a better grab last season than either of those three we found, at a stretch maybe put together. What I didn't say is anything about O'Brien's involvement with the development of our two rookies. MAYBE include McRoberts in there as well, but I don't think so.

    I wouldn't be surprised that Tyler is our primary focal point, and I am glad he is getting the minutes that he is, because he's shown that he could utilize them. Now should he start? All fingers are pointing at not yet.
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    You folks do realize that not only was this likely in answer to a question but also there may well have been more in the answer that didn't fit the quote space needed for the story, right?

    It isn't like JOB called the press and read an unsolicited statement that was word-for-word exactly and only what was printed.
    The exact answer: "(Pierce and Allen) are great players. They're both All Stars. They have three All Stars on the court. We don't have any All Stars...."
    Didn't Carlisle and Bird openly lobby for Artest on the All Star team way back? Won't have to worry about OB doing any of that...
    The ship is sinking and the leader is admitting he doesn't have the tools to keep it upright?
    I just see it as an abomination. At the start of this season, we had hopes. Those are swiftly disappearing with every quote.

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    The exact answer: "(Pierce and Allen) are great players. They're both All Stars. They have three All Stars on the court. We don't have any All Stars...."
    Didn't Carlisle and Bird openly lobby for Artest on the All Star team way back? Won't have to worry about OB doing any of that...
    The ship is sinking and the leader is admitting he doesn't have the tools to keep it upright?
    I just see it as an abomination. At the start of this season, we had hopes. Those are swiftly disappearing with every quote.
    How pissed off would you or a lot of the other posters be if Jim thought that we could win a championship with these guys?

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    How pissed off would you or a lot of the other posters be if Jim thought that we could win a championship with these guys?
    I think the biggest thing everyone is trying to get at is simple. Just don't say anything on the subject.

    If an NFL coach came out and made comments like that they would run them out of town.

    Could you ever see Tom Cable coming out after a lose and saying what do you expect we played the Chargers they got alot of all-stars on that team. Its we should have lost.

    A coach's job is to be a politician almost you talk around questions. You can answer any question without saying anything at all. They do it all the time.

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    I think the biggest thing everyone is trying to get at is simple. Just don't say anything on the subject.

    If an NFL coach came out and made comments like that they would run them out of town.

    Could you ever see Tom Cable coming out after a lose and saying what do you expect we played the Chargers they got alot of all-stars on that team. Its we should have lost.

    A coach's job is to be a politician almost you talk around questions. You can answer any question without saying anything at all. They do it all the time.
    Bob Knight, you know the winningest college coach ever, often would say things like *&*&&**& they were just a better team then we are. I'm guessing most coaches have made statements such as the one OB made.

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    Bob Knight, you know the winningest college coach ever, often would say things like *&*&&**& they were just a better team then we are. I'm guessing most coaches have made statements such as the one OB made.
    I personally don't care what Jim O'Brien says or doesn't say. I think he is gone at the end of the year. I pray we get a coach who is defensive minded and not obsessed with the 3

    On the other hand. I would never use Bob Knight as the poster boy for how to treat the media. Love the guy personally but if Jim O'Brien throws a chair on the floor its come back on you.

    Not to mention win you win as much a Knight did you have a diffrent set of rules than the other guys. OB has not won anything and is not on the same level as Bobby Knight.

    10 years from now everyone will know who Bobby Knight is. But JOB I really doubt it.

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    I think the biggest thing everyone is trying to get at is simple. Just don't say anything on the subject.

    If an NFL coach came out and made comments like that they would run them out of town.

    Could you ever see Tom Cable coming out after a lose and saying what do you expect we played the Chargers they got alot of all-stars on that team. Its we should have lost.

    A coach's job is to be a politician almost you talk around questions. You can answer any question without saying anything at all. They do it all the time.
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    Bob Knight, you know the winningest college coach ever, often would say things like *&*&&**& they were just a better team then we are. I'm guessing most coaches have made statements such as the one OB made.
    I'll agree with Guffey. I really don't want my coach snowballing me. It's easier to say what he did than to think of an internal excuse.

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    I'd like to know what the question was that he was responding to. I can't really form an opinion on his answer without knowing what context he said it in.

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    I don't find what he said insulting or anything - I'm just sick of the bag of excuses that he carries around with him.

    He has an excuse for everything.

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    Well, when the Pacers lose to the Lakers the players can just say:

    "They have a hall of fame coach. We don't. That's why we lost."

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    I should just back out of this thread. But I don't think the comments he made are 'we can't compete with those guys speech'. he was just probably answering a question about the comeback. Really I thought Jim's comment was rather obvious, sort of like saying it was snowy and cold in Boston last night.

    Actually, from looking at his quote, he's saying we can compete with these guys. It's just that sometimes the difference comes down to a team with Hall of Famers at 3 positions. I don't know why we think these guys are so glass jawed that they can't take criticism (real, or perceived).

    I can't stand Colin Cowherd, but he made a statement the other day that fits the mindset some have towards JOB. He was talking about Mark Sanchez, and how he'd fallen out of favor a bit with the NY media. And how some of them are starting to point to his stats as a negative, when in reality, those were the same stats he was putting up when they liked him. JOB has not changed, but when you don't want someone anymore, they can't seem to say or do anything that gets interpreted well.

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    Well, with O'Brien's tendency to overcoach at times, it's only fair that fans overanalyze his statements. Poetic justice.

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    As to his not having an All-Star on the floor comment, I get where he's coming from with that, but it's really not about having an All-Star caliber player out there. It's about having players who play smart basketball, don't commit foolish turnovers, and will execute plays and knock down shots when it matters most. The Pacers shot themseves in the foot last night. They had a 15 pt lead WITHOUT an All-Star on the floor. There's absolutely no excuse for them losing that game except that they choked. Plain and simple.
    I agree, especially with the bolded part. The Cs won the game when Pierce took over the shot-creation duties and took advantage of the officiating laissez-faire, laissez-passer mood to start making plays on both ends of the floor. Making the run to comeback was a team effort lead by Allen and Perkins, but jumping over the hump was on Pierce - he stepped up, as he ought to, considering his status and salary. At the same time, the Pacers were having trouble to get semi-decent shots off. There are times, late in the games, when defences tighten up to get stops, the pace slows down, the pressure mounts and everybody is already a bit tired that one has to rely in guys who can get the ball on their hands and make something happen, especially guards. But who could step up for the Pacers, with Granger out? Dunleavy could help to facilitate things, but he didn't have legs under him yesterday, Ford was yanked after that technical (maybe a bad decision)... so, all the guys on the floor were subpar or inconsistent shot-creators. Dahntay Jones tried his best but it was too little too late. This is how I understand O'Brien's statements, at least. Not really a knock on his players, maybe even the opposite.

    I think it's fairly common for coaches to say this kind of things. I doubt players are affected by it.

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    I didnt think the players played too bad, except for all those stupid jump passes. How many of those have to be stolen before they realize not to do it. I thought OB did a poor job coaching. Everyone could see the run coming in the 3rd, how about calling a TO before they are ready to tie or take the lead and leaving Head in the ball game????? I will say that for a 7'2 guy, "Dunk the frigging ball and quit trying to lay it in!!!"

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    Pick on the things he says and doesn't follow through on, pick on his selection of lineups and lack of half-court solutions, but this is pretty minor if it is a problem at all.
    Yep, this pretty much sums up how I feel about this one.

    I think there is some truth to the idea that some people, once they've decided they are over someone or something, are quicker to see negatives in everything that person says or does. It's understandable and maybe even something that the person brought on themselves in part (like the aforementioned issues with O'Brien BillS mentioned), but it also seems to be a fertile ground for the type of bickering that turns some posters off.
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    Trivia for you guys:

    What do the Clippers, Bulls, Kings, Warriors and Nets have in common?
    After every loss they blame the coach. There is no difference here. Right or wrong when you continue to lose it is the coach's fault. think about it Dunleavy Sr., Don Nelson, Del Negro, Westphal and formerly Frank get all the blame. I mean I know it comes with the territory, but the issue is that the Pacers may have the least amount of talent compared to all of those teams.

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    Trivia for you guys:

    What do the Clippers, Bulls, Kings, Warriors and Nets have in common?
    After every loss they blame the coach. There is no difference here. Right or wrong when you continue to lose it is the coach's fault. think about it Dunleavy Sr., Don Nelson, Del Negro, Westphal and formerly Frank get all the blame. I mean I know it comes with the territory, but the issue is that the Pacers may have the least amount of talent compared to all of those teams.
    You mean we're worse than the Nets? Hardly.

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    You mean we're worse than the Nets? Hardly.
    As far as talent is concerned we are right up there. I would take Brooke Lopez, Devin Harris over Ford and hibbert.

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