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    Montieth Hansbrough Article

    Another great article by Mark:
    CNNSI.com

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

    Pacers rookie Hansbrough draws both ire, approval with play

    Story Highlights
    Tyler Hansbrough's rough play has angered many opponents
    But Pacers president Larry Bird loves the rookie's intensity
    Bird hopes Hansbrough can fill a void left by Reggie Miller in 2005

    Tyler Hansbrough only needed 71 seconds to make his NBA debut memorable. On Nov. 6, the Pacers rookie landed an elbow on Caron Butler's head, a blow that sent the Washington forward flat on the court and obviously shaken.

    Against the Bobcats this week, Hansbrough's elbow found the jaws of Charlotte's Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson on separate occasions in the second half, inspiring harsh words, hard feelings and even the post-game suggestion of a career change.

    Pacers president Larry Bird is loving it.

    "The one thing about this league is that nobody likes to get hit," Bird said. "They don't like to get hit with elbows, they don't like to get boxed out -- none of that stuff. When a guy is going all out on every play, things are going to happen. [Hansbrough's] not going to back down. He's bringing it every day."

    That's exactly what Bird was hoping for when he invested the 13th overall draft pick on the three-time All-American from North Carolina. The Pacers have been looking for someone to set an example for self-discipline and bravado since Reggie Miller retired in 2005. And while Hansbrough doesn't preach -- he barely even talks -- his actions are already beginning to speak loudly.

    Through 19 games, enough to expose the reasons for the wild disparities in opinion of Hansbrough's game, it's become apparent he'll continue to incite reaction, for better and for worse. How far his relentlessness takes him and how successfully it counters his lack of grace remains to be seen. But the Bobcats won't be the last team to complain.

    Jackson, who hit the deck after Hansbrough spread his arms to establish post-up position and made contact, even offered occupational counseling.

    "He's in the wrong sport," Jackson said. "He's out of control. I wouldn't say he's doing it on purpose, but a lot of that stuff he does is not basketball. You can rough guys up and run around and be the strongest guy and have success in college, but you're not going to do that in the NBA.

    "He's a physical guy and he plays hard -- that's one thing I like about him, he plays hard -- but his skill level is not there for basketball. He's a bruiser. He needs to be playing rugby or something."

    Hansbrough is averaging 8.7 points and 4.5 rebounds in 17.4 minutes, respectable considering he missed all of training camp and the first four games to rehab a shin injury that dates back to his senior season at Carolina. After setting the NCAA career record for free-throw attempts, he's tied for third in attempts among the Pacers despite ranking a distant eighth in minutes played. He shot 10 free throws in less than 14 minutes in his NBA debut and has been dive-bombing the basket ever since.

    He might set a league record for having his shot blocked, however, if he doesn't learn to maneuver through traffic with more agility. He's hitting just 38 percent of his field goals, largely because so many of his shots are being redirected. Hansbrough also has yet to display the perimeter-shooting touch he had in his final year at North Carolina, when he hit 84 percent of his foul shots and 39 percent of his three-pointers, but expects that to return as he becomes more acclimated to coach Jim O'Brien's offense.

    He's inconsistent, at the moment. He scored 21 and 19 points in back-to-back wins over New Jersey and Washington last weekend, but totaled 15 points on 5-of-19 shooting in the next two games.

    What's consistent is the zombie-like intensity that must seem eerie to opponents. When Wallace and Jackson were shouting and gesticulating after encountering his elbows on Wednesday, he didn't say a word. Didn't even flinch. Just stared off into space, showing all the concern of a man standing in line at the checkout counter.

    He had the same non-reaction after the game.

    "I didn't know I was that strong," he said in a quiet monotone. "I guess there are times guys get caught up in getting hit a couple of times. I don't think I'm that physical. But some guys over-hype it."

    Hansbrough doesn't do hype. Since entering the NBA, he has flatly rejected the "Psycho T" nickname jokingly attached to him by Carolina's strength coach. And while he has shown hints of untamed behavior, such as when he jumped off a UNC fraternity house roof into a swimming pool, he has no interest in letting go of that image. He's already appeared in two television commercials, one for a national cellular phone company and another for a North Carolina auto dealer. He says absolutely nothing in one, and just one word -- "Wow" -- repeatedly in the other.

    He doesn't need a clever handle to get anyone's attention. He prefers to rely on his skills, and he bristles when they are overlooked.

    "A lot of people just say I'm a hard worker," he said. "They forget about some of the small things that I do. I bring a lot of things to the game."

    Including athleticism. The most consistent analysis of Hansbrough's game by NBA personnel is that he's more athletic than assumed. His vertical jump in the NBA pre-draft camp was measured at 34 inches; he believes it's higher. He's clearly quick-footed, able to beat most players his size off the dribble. Even for a slightly undersized power forward, he's not lacking in NBA physical attributes.

    In other words, he's not a white stiff. Hansbrough has been dealing with racial profiling since he enrolled at Carolina, and has learned to ignore it, although he's still instinctively and routinely compared to nonathletic Caucasians. Well-meaning teammate Danny Granger, for example, calls him "a more talented version of Mark Madsen," name-checking the 6-9 white forward who averaged 2.2 points over nine seasons before he was waived over the summer.

    Hansbrough's perceived athletic limitations are why some fans chanted "over-rated" as he walked to the podium to get a Pacers hat from NBA commissioner David Stern on draft night, why most draft analysts listed him as a late first-round pick, and why no small number of Pacers fans complained about the selection.

    "That's just how it is," said Mike Dunleavy, who also has experienced the NBA's special brand of profiling. "It's a microcosm of the society we live in, with different stereotypes that go on."

    That Hansbrough was drafted by Bird, who was rumored to be white during his playing career, only furthered the stereotype. The widespread assumption was that Bird didn't make a color-blind selection. The truth was that Bird not only recognized the athletic qualities that some others missed, but he also saw someone who brings the same work ethic and self-discipline that he once brought to the Celtics, and Miller once brought to the Pacers.

    Some draft analysts accused Bird of reaching for Hansbrough, claiming he could have traded down and still landed him. Bird knew better. Other GMs, who also had the benefit of witnessing Hansbrough's pre-draft workouts, were similarly impressed, and prepared to bite. Bird had offers to trade down in the first round, giving up the No. 13 selection for plural assets, but he knew he'd miss out on Hansbrough if he did. In fact, a team picking ahead of the Pacers nearly grabbed him, and the general manager who took his scouts' recommendation and looked elsewhere at the last minute told Bird he immediately regretted it.

    Bird would have taken another North Carolina player, point guard Ty Lawson, if Hansbrough had been gone, but was pleased with the outcome. He still is.

    Bird sees Hansbrough as someone who eventually will average 15-20 points a game, get more than his share of rebounds, disrupt on defense, lift the practice and game intensity of his teammates, draw fouls and aggravate opponents to no end.

    "All along, people have been saying he can't do this, or he can't do that," Bird said. "I've seen him do it."

    The downside of Hansbrough's automaton intensity? Rookie hazing is no fun for his teammates. He goes about the usual chores of bringing newspapers and donuts, but the trash talk has no impact. And why anger someone who's so eager to dish out punishment in practice?

    Even the three former Duke players -- Dunleavy, Josh McRoberts and Dahntay Jones -- have given up.

    "He doesn't take crap from anybody, so we'd be wasting our breath," Dunleavy said.
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    Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

    Originally posted by iPACER View Post
    "He's in the wrong sport," Jackson said. "He's out of control. I wouldn't say he's doing it on purpose, but a lot of that stuff he does is not basketball. You can rough guys up and run around and be the strongest guy and have success in college, but you're not going to do that in the NBA.

    "He's a physical guy and he plays hard -- that's one thing I like about him, he plays hard -- but his skill level is not there for basketball. He's a bruiser. He needs to be playing rugby or something."
    I can't imagine a crafting a sentence more likely to force Peck to love a player while simultaneously making Seth claw his eyes out.

    The article made me wonder, though... Maybe Tyler's ceiling isn't Jeff Foster with a jump shot. Maybe it's Dale Davis with a jump shot.
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      Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

      There is something that Montieth touches on that stands out to me. I think one of Tyler's more interesting talents is the ability to create polarizing and strong reactions about his game.

      At the very least, everyone on here should realize the guy has a lot of talent. If he didn't, it'd never be a polarizing discussion. I doubt Mark Madsen or a Brian Cardinal ever caused strong reactions because everyone realizes their limits. With Tyler, it's a little tricky because he has a lot of deception to his game.

      -People say he's not athletic because he's getting his shot blocked, but that isn't true. He gets his shot blocked because of his low release point, which is a function of driving his shoulder low into an opponent's chest. Yes, it happens far too often, but it's nothing new. It happened in college too and it never seemed to ruin his effectiveness. At the end of the day a missed shot is a missed shot, and it's a part of his game that isn't a concern until it's creating a lot of turnovers or permanently affecting his FG% (which is low now, but that is very common for NBA rookies while they adjust.) People that question his athletic ability conveniently ignore his ability to drive around his defender, which happens much more often (than getting his shot blocked).

      -People say he doesn't have NBA moves, which is also incorrect. He has a medium range jump shot. He has a half-hook that he likes to attempt on the baseline. He also has a shot where he drives into the defender and uses the backboard. It looks extremely awkward and sloppy, but it's going in too often to be slop. There are hundreds of power forwards that have made careers off of these shots; I'm still uncertain why Tyler can't in the eyes of some.

      -He brings a lot of fundamentals, but I won't get into them. I won't get into his defense, other than to say his biggest weakness is his struggle with perimeter shooting bigs. It appears to be a scouting issue, so I think he can be coached up.

      In any case, I love reading quotes like this from his teammates and opponents. He obviously plays a style that is so tough that opponents don't look forward to playing him. We NEED toughness like this on our team, and it's refreshing to have a mental edge before the game starts, albeit small.
      Last edited by imawhat; 12-21-2009, 01:18 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

        His pre-draft workouts were shockingly VERY similar to blake griffin. dont have the link, but they were almost exactly alike, and im not exaggerating.
        "To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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          Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
          I can't imagine a crafting a sentence more likely to force Peck to love a player while simultaneously making Seth claw his eyes out.

          The article made me wonder, though... Maybe Tyler's ceiling isn't Jeff Foster with a jump shot. Maybe it's Dale Davis with a jump shot.
          Well actually we covered this article already in the Tyler thread but it is barried in there now so this deserves it's own thread.

          Here is my response to the article. I would say you were correct (well at least from my end anyway.)

          Sorry that article just elevated my opinion on Tyler oh about 1,000,000,000%

          If this rookie who was not expected to be anything or any good is already the focus of post game comments by the opposition then that tells me that what he is doing on the floor is already making an impact.

          If it was all that bad the refs. would already be all over him for it and they are not.

          I LOVE the fact that they called him a bruiser. I can think of no better compliment to recieve from an opponet other then them calling you a great player.
          As to your thought about his ceiling well first let me add...

          However I am wondering if he may not be a more physical (if you can imagine this) Anthony Mason. There are a lot of physical similarities there.


          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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            Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

            Originally posted by IndyProdigy View Post
            His pre-draft workouts were shockingly VERY similar to blake griffin. dont have the link, but they were almost exactly alike, and im not exaggerating.
            The only difference between the two were in the standing vertical .. Was like 27" for Tyler and 33" for Blake.. While their one step vertical was pretty close at 34" for Tyler and 35" for Blake.

            There is a big difference in Tylers standing and one step which kinda tells me he is jumping flat footed.. Pidgin toeing just a tad bit would help I think ( helps you get on your toes to use more of your calves ).

            I think he can guard a guy like SF IF he gets in their shirt and/or using a slightly less wide stance.. Playing off + having a wide stance just begs to be burnt on a dribble move. But I do think some people forget that he has defended quicker people in previous games and has done an ok job.

            Originally posted by Peck View Post

            However I am wondering if he may not be a more physical (if you can imagine this) Anthony Mason. There are a lot of physical similarities there.
            If I remember correctly people didnt want to be in the same building as Mason hehe.

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            • #7
              Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

              "That Hansbrough was drafted by Bird, who was rumored to be white during his playing career, only furthered the stereotype." The best part of the whole article!
              In Indiana Basketball is not just a game...it's a way of life!

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              • #8
                Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

                I don't think I've seen it mentioned, but Montieth interviewed Tyler in his "One-On-One" radio show. It's a few down the page.

                http://www.1070thefan.com/oneonone/podcast.aspx

                There are several others on there that are well worth a listen, too.
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                • #9
                  Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

                  Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                  I don't think I've seen it mentioned, but Montieth interviewed Tyler in his "One-On-One" radio show. It's a few down the page.

                  http://www.1070thefan.com/oneonone/podcast.aspx

                  There are several others on there that are well worth a listen, too.
                  Yep, love this series by Montieth. The Hansbrough on is good. He talks pretty freely, they talk to his Dad too. You get the feeling from the interview, he isn't about how his stats or his measureables, only about winning. Montieth asks him about his college 3 pt shooting percentage his Senior year and he didn't know what it was. He also asked him about his vertical measurement in the combine and he didn't know that either (although he felt it was higher than Montieth told him that was listed). He did remember details of the highschool championship game and the the time they faced Oden and Conley, but from a how the game went perspective, not his personal stats. I like that.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

                    I wonder which team almost took Tyler right before the Pacers.

                    I posted several days ago that Tyler is more physical than Dale Davis and that you have see him in person to truly appreciate what he does.

                    I'm thrilled with Hansbrough, he'll figure out how not to get his shot blocked so often

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                    • #11
                      Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

                      I believe there were strong rumors that the Nets liked Hansbrough a lot at #11.

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                        Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

                        TH has been the most effective rookie I've seen on the Pacers since I've been a fan (since '97). Well, except for, surprisingly, Jamaal Tinsley. Too bad Tinsley's rookie year was probably the best of his career. He looks a notch better than Danny Granger did his first season. His intensity looks different than any other player I've seen in the NBA. The fact that players are complaining about his physical he plays proves the "he won't be able to push NBA players around" theory wrong. I've never seen anyone go after a loose ball with the intensity that he does. He doesn't let people get in his way. He's going to be a vital piece to a contending team one of these days.
                        Lifelong pacers fan

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                        • #13
                          Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

                          I found 3 things interesting in this article:

                          a) A GM who drafted b4 the Pacers wish he had drafted Tyler. I wonder who?

                          b) Bird have offers from other teams to trade down. What teams?

                          c) Bird would have drafted Lawson if Tyler had been drafted. I'm surprised.

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                            Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

                            Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                            I believe there were strong rumors that the Nets liked Hansbrough a lot at #11.

                            If that is the GM, he must 2nd thoughts about T'Will.

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                              Re: Montieth Hansbrough Article

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              I wonder which team almost took Tyler right before the Pacers.

                              I posted several days ago that Tyler is more physical than Dale Davis and that you have see him in person to truly appreciate what he does.

                              I'm thrilled with Hansbrough, he'll figure out how not to get his shot blocked so often
                              This is just a guess, but I'd say New Jersey. From Chad Ford's Mock 4.0 in early June:

                              PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS


                              New Jersey


                              Tyler Hansbrough
                              Position: PF
                              Height: 6-10
                              Weight: 234
                              Age: 23
                              School: North Carolina
                              Analysis: Rod Thorn has said he needs a moose, but it won't be easy to find one here. The Nets have needs at both forward positions but the three best candidates, DeJuan Blair, Earl Clark and James Johnson, all have issues. Blair's medical reports have created major red flags about his knees. Johnson is carrying around some baggage from Wake Forest. And Clark isn't the physical player they're really looking for.

                              That has caused two new players to emerge on their list -- Tyler Hansbrough and Terrence Williams. Williams has his own set of issues that teams are sorting through which gives Hansbrough a legit shot at going this high. He isn't going to be a dominant player in the league, but he's been productive, is as tough as nails and has measured better, in size and athletically, than people predicted.
                              IIRC, he impressed in his personal workouts...without exception.

                              http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ckDraft-090610

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