The Cavs are in that situation with Big Z.
The only way their large salary is really worth having in a trade, even expiring, is if you can package a young up and coming player for a proven all star type. Other wise about the only thing the Pacers are going to be able to get are average/below average players with longer contracts than Murphy.
I don't disagree with you that Murphy's trade value will be higher this time next year. I just wonder if it's really going to benefit the Pacers that much.
God I really hope the Pacers aren't trying to just let the salary walk and try and build up through free agency and mid first round draft picks.
Tinsley $5.5mm Can we trade this, or is that off-limits because of the buy-out?
S. Jones $1.5mm
Assuming Tinsley's contract is locked in and can't be moved (which I think is the case), that leaves 2 very big expiring contracts, 1 big expiring contract, 1 fairly big expiring contract, and one small expiring contract.
I don't see all of those being traded. However, I would like to think at least one or two of them will be.
Further to max out the payroll year after year with a team that performs poorly is just bad business and won't be sustained by the owners.
Don't count me in that group...and I'm probably harder on him than I should be.
The beef I have is that he is played over 20 minutes a game...and during the 4th quarter. Off the bench for a max of 20 minutes during the first 3 quarters would be fine.
I just find it funny that the Pacers stressed defense so much, but play their absolute worst defensive big more minutes than anybody.
I think you're overstating the point here. Count me in with the group that would love to use Troy 10-20 minutes a game depending on how well his shot is falling in any given game. It seems pretty clear that even when Murph is having a great shooting night his legs are a little tired by the 4th quarter. I'd even be OK with re-signing him at a reasonable price for a couple more years to play just such a role.
Honestly, a lot of the over the top "Murph just plain sucks/is useless" posts seem to pop up in the game threads, where there is a somewhat different population of posters and a less analytical tone in general.
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Hmmmm going back to Murphy not seeing "eye to eye" with the "Pacers" (does that mean front office, or teammates?) ... does this add more fuel to the report earlier that he was sulking that was out 3-4 weeks ago?
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Murphy is a good player. He gets double-doubles on a regular basis and can shoot from the outside. He plays team defense and is a good veteran talent.
He and others on this team do not fit the long-term plans of the team. That being said, I do not have a problem with him on our team per se, but if a team is willing to trade for him and hasten our long-term plans by giving the P's some salary flexibility, then go for it.
Obviously, he will fit well with a team alongside some players better than others, if they can cover up his weakenesses, but Troy definitely has some strengths and doesn't seem to have any chemistry problems/off-court issues.
Troy's defense has been better lately.
I mean I think some people are coming out here and saying he can't do a thing when on the floor. He's improved very much this year.
Before we played the Grizzlies and Spurs, Troy was playing very well defensively and offensively and helped us win. Now he's recently had some poor games and everyone is back to criticizing and make it sound as if he hasn't played well at all this season.
I don't get it?
I know he's paid a hell of a lot of money, but I don't think that's something we should be concerned about, we want money going to deserving players and he deserves a good amount. I think he's paid at a fair price, maybe a little high, but not too bad.
If he's traded he's traded and none of us can do anything about it and if he stays he stays and there's nothing we can do about it.
I say support him as a player on our favorite team and look the good things he can do.
Let the disagreeing begin!
I agree that team comes first. He's been a help when he was playing well prior to going the 2 game road trip.
If we trade him away and get someone good in the future and do well, then I'd appreciate it that we traded him.