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    This is absolutely crazy. Who could have predicted such a thing?
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    Default Re: TJ Benched, his former backup given starting role?

    3rd string is where he belongs. The only question is whether Watson is better than Price. I'd go with Price from what I've seen.

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    3rd string is where he belongs. The only question is whether Watson is better than Price. I'd go with Price from what I've seen.
    Not gonna happen, AJ doesn't turn the ball over enough to get any minutes.

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    Default Re: TJ Benched, his former backup given starting role?

    I think TJ is a great option off the bench for some instant offense. Just keep him out during clutch time!

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    With exception of the final play, TJ had a great game tonight.
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    With exception of the final play, TJ had a great game tonight.
    You might question JOB's play selection. But TJ didn't do a bad job on that play. Had a good look, took a good shot. It wasn't far from going in.
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    He presided over the lead slipping away. When he hit, in the 3rd, we were good. He stopped hitting and kept shooting. He should have sat from about 8:00 of the 4th on.
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    I think T.J. makes a better backup rather than starter for himself as a player and also the team.

    It's a good idea to try this earlier in the season rather than benching him later like last season when we started Jack over him.

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    I have said I will not hate on TJ, but I think Watson was a better match-up to start tonight. TJ did play well at stretches, but we needed a defensive presence at the 1 spot tonight.

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    With exception of the final play, TJ had a great game tonight.
    -16 in the +/- tonight ... There is a trend here. Watson had only 3 points but was +13 in the +/- by comparison. It's becoming obvious that 14 Pts, and 5 Assists doesn't mean much if the rest of the team is playing horrible while you're getting them.

    The team performs poorly when TJ is in there at PG. I'm not blaming TJ who has all the skills necessary to be an asset to the team. But something is NOT working in the way he is being utilized.

    Now, although I'm a big AJ guy and a big +/- guy, I'll concede +/- isn't a one-game type stat you can count on... But Pacers are deep enough into the year now where it's GOT to mean something and point to some things that ARE NOT WORKING:

    Player 1 Team + - +/- Min +/- /Min G
    L. Head Pacers 426 -381 45 203:05 .221 14
    A. Price Pacers 137 -113 24 62:46 .382 8
    E. Watson Pacers 1,170 -1,156 14 571:03 .024 23
    M. Dunleavy Pacers 576 -573 3 258:10 .011 11
    J. Foster Pacers 550 -553 -3 251:46 -.011 15
    R. Hibbert Pacers 1,077 -1,091 -14 522:12 -.026 24
    J. McRoberts Pacers 61 -75 -14 28:22 -.493 6
    S. Jones Pacers 460 -503 -43 233:11 -.184 15
    B. Rush Pacers 1,363 -1,406 -43 678:11 -.063 24
    T. Hansbrough Pacers 709 -752 -43 352:55 -.121 20
    D. Jones Pacers 1,545 -1,602 -57 766:59 -.074 24
    D. Granger Pacers 1,313 -1,371 -58 622:36 -.093 17
    T. Murphy Pacers 1,100 -1,243 -143 574:18 -.248 18
    T. Ford Pacers 1,268 -1,416 -148 634:19 -.233 24

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    Default Re: TJ Benched, his former backup given starting role?

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    With exception of the final play, TJ had a great game tonight.
    He was very good off the bench last year as well. He's just horrible as a starter.

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    -16 in the +/- tonight ... There is a trend here. Watson had only 3 points but was +13 in the +/- by comparison. It's becoming obvious that 14 Pts, and 5 Assists doesn't mean much if the rest of the team is playing horrible while you're getting them.

    The team performs poorly when TJ is in there at PG. I'm not blaming TJ who has all the skills necessary to be an asset to the team. But something is NOT working in the way he is being utilized.

    Now, although I'm a big AJ guy and a big +/- guy, I'll concede +/- isn't a one-game type stat you can count on... But Pacers are deep enough into the year now where it's GOT to mean something and point to some things that ARE NOT WORKING:

    Player 1 Team + - +/- Min +/- /Min G
    L. Head Pacers 426 -381 45 203:05 .221 14
    A. Price Pacers 137 -113 24 62:46 .382 8
    E. Watson Pacers 1,170 -1,156 14 571:03 .024 23
    M. Dunleavy Pacers 576 -573 3 258:10 .011 11
    J. Foster Pacers 550 -553 -3 251:46 -.011 15
    R. Hibbert Pacers 1,077 -1,091 -14 522:12 -.026 24
    J. McRoberts Pacers 61 -75 -14 28:22 -.493 6
    S. Jones Pacers 460 -503 -43 233:11 -.184 15
    B. Rush Pacers 1,363 -1,406 -43 678:11 -.063 24
    T. Hansbrough Pacers 709 -752 -43 352:55 -.121 20
    D. Jones Pacers 1,545 -1,602 -57 766:59 -.074 24
    D. Granger Pacers 1,313 -1,371 -58 622:36 -.093 17
    T. Murphy Pacers 1,100 -1,243 -143 574:18 -.248 18
    T. Ford Pacers 1,268 -1,416 -148 634:19 -.233 24
    So basically, Watson started tonight because he had the best +/- on the team.

    He does not. The guy who does was the only pacer player in uniform who didn't get to play.

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    I think this is a good thing and there is a very logical reason this keeps happening to him. And NO it isn't because he stinks. He is much better when he just tries to score, when he can control the ball and generally he can do that when he is playing with the second unit because generally there are fewer good scorers on the second unit.

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    This is absolutely crazy. Who could have predicted such a thing?
    And by Christmas, even?

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    I think T.J. makes a better backup rather than starter for himself as a player and also the team.

    It's a good idea to try this earlier in the season rather than benching him later like last season when we started Jack over him.
    Agreed all around. The 2nd team needs his offense badly and seemed to respond well with him.

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    -16 in the +/- tonight ... There is a trend here. Watson had only 3 points but was +13 in the +/- by comparison. It's becoming obvious that 14 Pts, and 5 Assists doesn't mean much if the rest of the team is playing horrible while you're getting them.

    The team performs poorly when TJ is in there at PG. I'm not blaming TJ who has all the skills necessary to be an asset to the team. But something is NOT working in the way he is being utilized.

    Now, although I'm a big AJ guy and a big +/- guy, I'll concede +/- isn't a one-game type stat you can count on... But Pacers are deep enough into the year now where it's GOT to mean something and point to some things that ARE NOT WORKING:

    Player 1 Team + - +/- Min +/- /Min G
    L. Head Pacers 426 -381 45 203:05 .221 14
    A. Price Pacers 137 -113 24 62:46 .382 8
    E. Watson Pacers 1,170 -1,156 14 571:03 .024 23
    M. Dunleavy Pacers 576 -573 3 258:10 .011 11
    J. Foster Pacers 550 -553 -3 251:46 -.011 15
    R. Hibbert Pacers 1,077 -1,091 -14 522:12 -.026 24
    J. McRoberts Pacers 61 -75 -14 28:22 -.493 6
    S. Jones Pacers 460 -503 -43 233:11 -.184 15
    B. Rush Pacers 1,363 -1,406 -43 678:11 -.063 24
    T. Hansbrough Pacers 709 -752 -43 352:55 -.121 20
    D. Jones Pacers 1,545 -1,602 -57 766:59 -.074 24
    D. Granger Pacers 1,313 -1,371 -58 622:36 -.093 17
    T. Murphy Pacers 1,100 -1,243 -143 574:18 -.248 18
    T. Ford Pacers 1,268 -1,416 -148 634:19 -.233 24
    sure it's TJ's fault we lost, who's fault is it that we were up 13 in the 3rd? we just didn't make shots. The Spurs are the better team, and they killed us on both ends in the 4th quarter

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