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    I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but with Murphy out of the lineup this Pacers team is 5-0, and with him playing they are 1-11. The five games he missed with his back injury constitute the five game winning streak that we are all currently bemoaning.

    I did a bit of research and found that the points per game allowed by the Pacers with Murphy is 105.8, and without him they only allowed 91.2 PPG. That's a HUGE difference.

    Please tell me this is all a random coincidence and that it doesn't actually mean anything...

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    It's been mentioned. For over a year. And he's not the problem. He's just a major part of it. And your statistic is far from a coincidence.
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    I was hoping this would finally be discussed in a thread.
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    In bphil's defense, all of the Troy Murphy threads seem to have fallen off page #1 for some reason. Probably our collective boredom with discussing him.
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    Another new account with a highly over discussed topic started as their first post .... shocker. This is becoming a trend.

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    I think you have to look at two factors:

    1) Points in the paint.

    2) How the Pacers are defending the PnR.

    I both cases, I don't think Murphy is that strong a post-defender. So, yes, there just might be something to the wide swing in avg ppg allowed. I don't know where to search for Points in the Paint stats before, during or after the 5-game win streak. So, if someone else knows where to obtain this info, I'd be interested in seeing the results. Maybe the figures paint a clearer picture, maybe they don't. But I'd like to know the results nonetheless.

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    No.

    The problem is too much emphasis on the three point shot, poor defense, and untradeable contracts.
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    I was hoping this would finally be discussed in a thread.

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    I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but with Murphy out of the lineup this Pacers team is 5-0, and with him playing they are 1-11. The five games he missed with his back injury constitute the five game winning streak that we are all currently bemoaning.

    I did a bit of research and found that the points per game allowed by the Pacers with Murphy is 105.8, and without him they only allowed 91.2 PPG. That's a HUGE difference.

    Please tell me this is all a random coincidence and that it doesn't actually mean anything...
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    We should talk about Brad Miller.

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    Here we go again.

    Basketball is a team sport and blaming one player on a team having 14 other players is a little selfish towards the player you're blaming.

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    Here we go again.

    Basketball is a team sport and blaming one player on a team having 14 other players is a little selfish towards the player you're blaming.
    Oh, come on! I have seen threads blaming Troy, TJ, Danny, and Obie. Plenty of blame to go around. I blame tacocat.

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    Oh, come on! I have seen threads blaming Troy, TJ, Danny, and Obie. Plenty of blame to go around. I blame tacocat.
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    Yep, that's the perpetrator alright. Sinister looking little feline.

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    Another new account with a highly over discussed topic started as their first post .... shocker. This is becoming a trend.

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    So is your sarcasm and honestly there is no need for it. Couldn't you just let the guy know that this has been discussed in other threads politely. Geez dude give the guy a break it is his first post. Maybe an admin could move it into one of the other ten thousand threads since everyone is complaining about it. Just an idea.

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    Just take comfort in the fact that Troy Murphy and Jim Obrien are currently leading us straight to our first top 10 draft pick we will have had in some time. As much as it pains me to say it.
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    I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but with Murphy out of the lineup this Pacers team is 5-0, and with him playing they are 1-11.
    I guess this isn't satire since you only have one post. Yes it has been mentioned, discussed, argued, pointed out, poked, prodded, and teased. Almost, but not quite, to death. Please feel free to browse our wonderful collection of Murphy threads.
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    I guess this isn't satire since you only have one post. Yes it has been mentioned, discussed, argued, pointed out, poked, prodded, and teased. Almost, but not quite, to death. Please feel free to browse our wonderful collection of Murphy threads.
    Very nice.

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    I'm no Murphy fan, but he did do a good job last season, I doubt you'll ever see another year like that from him.

    No one player is the problem, but if I was forced to pick one it would be TJ before Murphy.

    Or course by now, you all know I think the guy handing out playing time is the biggest problem.
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    Troy Murphy is not the problem. The problem is a coach that cares so much more about offense than defense that he's more than willing to live with Murphy's defensive liabilities so he can have Murphy shooting a 3.
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    Here we go again.

    Basketball is a team sport and blaming one player on a team having 14 other players is a little selfish towards the player you're blaming.
    Grammar point of order (I'm bored): Can you be selfish TOWARDS someone?

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