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Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

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  • #91
    Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

    Larry Sanders

    http://www.nbadraft.net/players/larry-sanders

    Strengths: Post player with tremendous defensive upside due to his unbelievable length: has a 7-foot-7 wingspan (His arms need their own insurance policy) plus good timing and explosiveness ... Already a bigtime shot blocker and is on his way to becoming an absolutely dominant one. As a freshman he averages just 16 minutes per game but is already tied for 10th in the country in blocked shots at 3.0 per game. His block per minute average is the best in the country ... Very fluid and fast running the floor. Shows a solid motor, hustling the floor and fighting for rebounds ... Has excellent foot speed and lateral quickness for a bigman ... His offensive game, while raw shows potential to develop ... Has a huge frame and should be able to put on plenty of weight without affecting his mobility ... Shows a solid shooting form with a high release. Just needs time to polish it ...

    Weaknesses: Has very little offensive skill level ... Still learning the game, developing fundamentals, basic stuff such as boxing out and setting proper screens ... Having just two years of high school ball under his belt, he struggles to do some basic things such as catching and shooting and converting shots inside the paint ... Must learn to become more disciplined as a shot blocker. He gets into foul trouble far too easily. Must learn to wait until the shooter leaves the floor before jumping himself ... Must develop a more reliable shot. His free throw shooting (50%) needs development. Repetition and focus on it should increse his effectiveness over time ... Right now, opponents are able to body him and get shots off. Adding bulk will allow him to stay on balance and prevent opponents from neutralizing his shot blocking ability with contact ...

    Notes: Began playing organized ball in just his junior year of high school. So the game is new to him and he's on a huge learning curve ...

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    It looks like he'd have a struggling first couple of years in the NBA; having foul problems and having low percentages and is very expressive so will probably show signs of confidence issues like Roy Hibbert. But as he adds muscle and more strength I really think he can be a HUGE banger for this team. If he gets drafted 10-15 I think people would be thinking, "This guy was a waste", but within a couple of years this guy could be one of the most exciting and energetic role players in the league for a long time.

    Evan Turner:

    http://www.nbadraft.net/players/evan-turner

    NBA Comparison Marquis Daniels/Brandon Roy

    Strengths: Big combo guard with great versatility and a tremendous feel for the game ... Extremely smooth with the ball in his hands and has a bag of tricks offensively ... His handles are that of a point guards and he has a terrific ability of getting to the basket ... Has supreme confidence with the ball in his hands, excellent handle and a nasty crossover ... Slick mid-range game with the ability to change directions and get defenders off balance to create looks ... Good upperbody strength allows him to absorb contact and make plays at the rim ... Strong finisher. Very adept at finishing after contact. Also utilizes the glass effectively ... Has a nifty runner when he meets up with shot blockers in the paint ... Understands how to use his body to shield the ball from opponents ... Has a great pull up jumper and his ability to drive really sets up his ability to pull up for shots ... Utilizes the spin dribble to get by opponents effectively and into the paint ... Creative playmaker with the ability to find others for shots when his path to the basket gets cut off ... Solid vision and a good passer capable of finding the open man ... An above average athlete with good speed and long arms ... Makes a lot of impressive plays at the basket using excellent body control and creativity ... A solid shooter with good form ... Has a big wingspan (near 7-foot). His long arms allow him to disrupt passing lanes ... Draws a lot of fouls on drives due to his aggressiveness ... Runs down a lot of loose balls and makes plays based on sheer desire and hustle ... Plays with a high level of intensity at all times no matter the game situation ... A student of the game who studies past greats and appears to have a great understanding ... Solid free throw shooter at 79% ...

    Weaknesses: Not a freak athlete, but above average by NBA standards with great length ... At times appears to be succeptable to being thrown off his game by physical play ... A better scorer than shooter, while Turner shot 44% from 3 as a sophomore it was on a low volume of shots ... Should look to improve his catch and shoot ability and expand his range and consistency from the perimeter ... His effectiveness going towards the basket with the ball probably keeps him from polishing his outside game, but with such efficiency driving it's hard to ask him to shoot more from the perimeter ... Struggled in the clutch in OSU's loss to Siena in the tournament ... At times can fall in love with the dribble and become too ball dependant, but he's very effective so that's nit picking to a degree ... His creativity can lead to being a little careless passing the ball ... Not great at setting defenders up off of screens and shooting spot up. He prefers to create a rhythm with the ball in his hands dribbling off screens or creating off isolation ...

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    I think this is the guy we want at the wing if he's available no matter what (Unless if we could get Wall or Favors). He has star potential and I really like how hard he plays. Of course with his work ethic and understanding for the game, I wouldn't be suprised if he became a much better shooter. He's obviously not going to be good as Roy, but they do play so similarly. Solid passing which would make up for out terrible PG play, solid defense, and stellar scoring. He has a long wingspan and a strong finisher which I like. He's good on the break and he reminds me of the Tyreke Evans/DRose/John Wall type players with the explosiveness and fortunately his stock is down because of the back injury.

    Patrick Patterson:

    http://www.nbadraft.net/players/patrick-patterson

    Strengths: Patterson possesses an NBA-ready body and outstanding physical abilities ... Has the demeanor you want in a post player, as he relishes contact and has the willingness to bang inside ... One of the most efficient players in the SEC at 18 PPG (.664 FG% and 1.66 PPS), 9.3 RPG and 2.0 BLK ... tHe is a warrior inside who understands how to play post position with his back to the basket and relies on his deep position under the basket ... One of the toughest players in the league ... Does a great job of fighting for and holding down his position inside (if he doesn’t feel he is in a good position to catch the ball he will repost and fight for better position) ... Patterson overpowers, out muscles and out wills most of his opponents inside ... Possesses great timing on put-backs, rebounds and 2nd shot opportunities ... His go-to move is to catch the ball inside and turn to his left shoulder and use his right hand baby hook effectively or drop-step and go for dunk ... Patterson is very explosive and aggressive off the ground when attacking the rim ... He has improved his game since last year and developed a solid outside shot from 15-16 feet (on the low post he can even turn around and shoot it off the glass) ... He is very quick at changing directions, and shows solid ability to beat slower defenders off the dribble ... Has the ability to draw contact first and score ... Very good free-throw shooter at .778 % this year so far ... Patterson also improved his rebounding ability (going from 7.7 RPG per game to 9.5 RPG per game this year) ... Although he relied mostly on his body in the past, this year he has learned to box out better and make better use of his 7′2″ wingspan ... Average passer with good court vision (recognizes double teams and will try to find open teammate for the open jump-shot) ... Runs the floor well for his size ... On the defensive end his mobility, long arms, body and athleticism make him solid ... Patterson has good timing for blocking shots (2 BPG) ... Possesses good lateral quickness for his size ... Got his confidence back from last year’s injury (stress fracture in left ankle) ... Despite being undersized, Patterson possesses the heart, determination, and athleticism to overcome these shortcomings. It also helps him that smaller power forwards such as Paul Millsap are having success in the NBA ...

    Weaknesses: Patterson is clearly undersized at PF at the next level ... He won't be as effective in the NBA as he is now unless he becomes more versatile player offensively ... His court awareness is a little shaky and he will try to make a move inside with 2-3 defenders on him at the times ... Patterson has to work on turning to his right shoulder and using his left hand (the majority of his points are with his right hand) ... Although his shot has good mechanics, his release point is low and he may have trouble getting his shot off at the next level ... Has to become a more consistent outside shooter as well. He has shown improvement, but can certainly extend his range and consistency ... Not patient enough when trying to block shots and can commits unnecessary fouls being overly aggressive ...

    Steven Petrovic – 1/28/2009


    Strengths: Patterson is an exceptionally aggressive and athletic player in a man-child NBA body. His pogo-stick leaping ability allows him to be a creative finisher around the basket where he is almost automatic and can finish with either hand. He uses the glass well and is a very powerful dunker. Patterson has great hands that the ball seems to stick to. His brute strength allows him to bang down low with power forwards and be a menace on the boards. However, he is also very quick and should be able to defend the small forward in the NBA. He can pass very well, especially out of double teams, and is a team player with well-rounded statistics. He was measured with a 7-1 wingspan

    Weaknesses: Patterson is an amazing talent but does lack some important skills. He is very efficient with the ball and thus does not show extensive ball handling and dribbling skills. He also has not shown an ability to shoot the ball from the perimeter well. Short jumpers are fine, where he sometimes shoots one handed, but he seems even a bit tentative around 15 feet from the hoop and out. He is close to being between positions due to limited perimeter skills and measuring in at just 6-8 without shoes, however players with his package of strength, length, and athleticism dont come along often. There is surely a spot for him in the NBA.

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    This is Dejuan Blair with a way more polished game along with size and more physicality. If you want our starting PF of the future, you want this guy. In all fairness, I think Tyler will be a Lamar Odom or a Rasheed Wallace only alot more affective, coming off of the bench as a 6th man or 7th man. Patterson will be the guy for us moving forward in my opinion. He has that banger mentality and will have Kendrick Perkins defense with Luis Scolas' touch on offense. I think he will make the AS team at least once. He'll be a very fun player to watch and will make some real money in the NBA.
    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    • #92
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      • #93
        Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

        I didn't realise we had the fifth worst record in the league so far.

        Dare we get our hopes up for the #1 pick?

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        • #94
          Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

          Originally posted by Frostwolf View Post
          I didn't realise we had the fifth worst record in the league so far.

          Dare we get our hopes up for the #1 pick?
          I wouldn't. There was a time I would, but I know better now.

          Yes, it could happen, but more likely we'll get Mike and Tyler fully healthy (no minute restrictions), Danny will return, and we'll start playing closer to .500 ball.

          That will likely put us closer to #10 than #5.

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          • #95
            Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

            Lottery Probabilities


            With the current fifth-worst record in the league, if the season ended today we'd have a 29.2% chance at a top-3 pick.

            This is shaping up to be a very good draft, so now's as good a time as any to be terrible.

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            • #96
              Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

              Four times since the lottery was introduced in 1985, has the team with the 5th worst record won it and received the #1 pick. Of course that doesn't mean anything and bears no impact on the present, but it's a fact nonetheless.

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              • #97
                Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                http://walterfootball.com/nbascoutin...10caldrich.php

                2010 NBA Draft Scouting Report: Cole Aldrich


                Position: Center

                Size: 6-11, 245

                School: Kansas, Junior


                Strengths:
                Fundamentally sound with his post moves
                Knows how to use his big body to establish position inside
                Soft touch around the basket
                Nice mid-range game
                Good free-throw shooter
                Understands how to run the pick and roll, pick and pop
                Great vision for a big man especially when double-teamed on the block
                Long reach helps him rebound and block shots
                Active inside on both ends of the floor





                Weaknesses:
                By no means a "stiff" but lacks great athleticism and explosiveness
                Footwork has improved, but there is still room for growth
                Does not run the floor well
                Very unorthodox shot form as he ***** the ball well behind his head
                Limited ball-handler; the less he dribbles, the better

                Summary: I am not as high on Cole Aldrich as other NBA Draft sites are. I think he is a great college basketball player but I'm not sure how his game translates to the next level. He will be servicable as a pro, but not an All-Star. He should be the top center in the 2010 class and will certainly be a lottery pick, but how high his stock goes will depend on how NBA teams feel he can transition to a more physical, athletically demanding league.

                Player Comparison: Chris Kaman. Kaman is a solid complementary NBA player who brings the same sort of attributes to the Clips that Aldrich does at Kansas. Kaman is a crafty big man who uses his length and average athleticism to the best of his ability, just like Aldrich. Neither will ever be a 20-10 player as a pro, but should have successful careers.

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                I'm higher on him than I was a while back. After watching him, I see very aggressive rebounding, very nice and advanced post moves, he's missing a tooth, he's not a stiff by any means according to the scouting report, and he has VERY NICE HANDS. He catches passes getting doubled, brings it down, and often finishes with the foul. Thats special. But I don't think he's right for this team. He'd be our backup center, and since we have Hibbert. So I think we need to upgrade either SG or PF, and then trade our expiring contracts for an All Star PG, and go from there. We will also need that 4th/5th big (Sanders!) To back up Roy and have Tyler be our 6th man for years to come. Cole will be good enough to be a starter on a contending team, but by no means an X-Factor, but probably more of a complementary player. A Pryzbilla, Jermaine O'Neal (Now), or an Andrew Bogut. Thats a very good player, but I'm sure we already have that guy.





                PS- Interesting how Hansbrough discussions are everywhere. Heres from the Youtube video comments:

                lancelovesgolf101 (3 months ago) Show Hide -4 Marked as spam
                Reply He's like a bigger, but less talented, Hansbrough. He's got a lot of potential though.... A Lot!!!

                ggs5008 (2 days ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam
                Reply Um no. Aldrich will be good in the nba, Tyler will not

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                Keep proven 'em wrong son. I'd say 9.5 ppg rookie year is pretty good restricted to 26 minutes.
                "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

                Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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                • #98
                  Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                  John Wall - You can't say we're not in range.

                  http://www.nbadraft.net/players/john-wall

                  Strengths: Has the size and physical tools to become an incredible player ... Not many players at his position have the combination of speed and athleticism that he possesses … At least once or twice a game he will make a brilliant play that shows the amount of potential that he has … He is able to consistently finish above the rim, both in transition and in traffic … He has an extra gear which allows him to turn the corner or to explode by defenders in the open court … Going full speed he is not only faster than anyone else on the court, but he is also very comfortable handling the ball as he is weaving through defenders … Very impressive is his ability to change direction in mid-stride while going full speed … In ISO situations, he is almost impossible to stop because of his great first step as well as the variety of moves that he can use off the dribble … He has good instincts and because he consistently gets into the lane, he is very good at finding teammates when the help defense comes over … His freakish athleticism and extremely long arms make him a serious threat in the passing lanes as well as a weakside shotblocker ...


                  Weaknesses: He is still a very raw player, heavily depending on his athleticism to help him get away with a number of things … As a playmaker he is much more effective in transition, once the tempo slows he struggles making reads and deliver passes … His release is a little slow, but his shooting form is decent, unfortunately at this point he is a non threat from the outside … The shooting inconsistency limits him since people back off, making his driving lanes that much more congested, forcing him to drive into heavy traffic … In pick&roll situations, he is also very shaky because defenders always go under the screen daring him to shoot, which limits the movement and action as well as his passing options … His touch around the rim is unrefined, unless he is dunking he struggles to convert on layups as well as floaters and teardrops … As a defender, he has the length, athleticism and lateral quickness to become a stopper, but at this point he is not very dedicated on that end … He takes plays off and lets inferior players get by him off the dribble … He is very turnover prone, sometimes attempting to throw passes that have no way of finding the target …

                  Borko Popic - 8/29/2008

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                  Now I obviously see him as the #1 pick, but he won't be as good his first couple of seasons as some people think. He'll have the TJ problem early on, drive and kick to nowhere. He'll have people with his athleticism matched up against him. He's not an outstanding passer, but still good. His explosiveness is by far the most interesting talent. His ability to get up and dunk it in peoples heads just makes me scratch my head thinking about how he did that. His athleticism is just off the charts, and we need that. Him, along with DRose, CP3, and DWill will all develop good jumpers as their careers go on. John Wall will be the best scorer of all of these guys, but he is a better scorer than passer, unlike most of these guys. Some people just think he'll go MJ or something his first season, but he'll likely be something like Rondo. Not guarded on the perimeter, however has a knack for getting to the rim, and is great on the break. Except I think Rondo is probably the better passer. But that could change as time goes on.



                  Yeah, he's not that cocky in KU.
                  "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

                  Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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                    Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                    if the pacers draft cousins or sanders, you can kiss this franchise goodbye. this upcoming draft will, imo, make or break the pacers time in indianapolis. therefore, the pacers MUST draft a franchise player, or at the least an all-star level talent, with the pick they have.

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                    • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                      Originally posted by millertime90 View Post
                      if the pacers draft cousins or sanders, you can kiss this franchise goodbye. this upcoming draft will, imo, make or break the pacers time in indianapolis. therefore, the pacers MUST draft a franchise player, or at the least an all-star level talent, with the pick they have.
                      I would never like Larry the same if he drafted one of them at 1-5.

                      BUT you could get two picks from trades.
                      "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

                      Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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                      • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                        Originally posted by millertime90 View Post
                        if the pacers draft cousins or sanders, you can kiss this franchise goodbye. this upcoming draft will, imo, make or break the pacers time in indianapolis. therefore, the pacers MUST draft a franchise player, or at the least an all-star level talent, with the pick they have.
                        Well drafting well is always important no matter what year or what the situation is of the team.

                        Make or break the Pacers? I don't think so not one draft. We don't have a clue what range the Pacers will pick it could be top 5 or it could be out of the lottery we don't know there is still 4 months left of the season that is a lot of ball games to be played.

                        If the Pacers MUST draft a franchise player then they are probably screwed. They don't come around every draft and while John Wall looks like one he is probably it.

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                        • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                          Originally posted by rommie View Post
                          Well drafting well is always important no matter what year or what the situation is of the team.

                          Make or break the Pacers? I don't think so not one draft. We don't have a clue what range the Pacers will pick it could be top 5 or it could be out of the lottery we don't know there is still 4 months left of the season that is a lot of ball games to be played.

                          If the Pacers MUST draft a franchise player then they are probably screwed. They don't come around every draft and while John Wall looks like one he is probably it.
                          Potentially Evan Turner, Derrick Favors, Patterson, Aldrich, and Ed Davis (Whom I'm not a big fan of, despite being a huge UNC fan).

                          I have no real opinion on Donotas Monte---- , anyone ever seen him play?
                          "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

                          Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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                          • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                            I really hope Indiana gets a decent pick in this draft. Wall seems unlikely, as Indiana would have to totally tank to get him, and I'm afraid Favors and Turner will also be gone early. However, I think that there are other prospects that could really help. It looks like there will be some nice prospects available at PF; I just hope Indiana selects one that can defend inside and isn't afraid of contact.

                            BTW, what am I missing about Willie Warren? He doesn't seem like he should be projected so high to me.
                            Last edited by IndyPacer; 12-28-2009, 10:07 AM.

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                            • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                              Theres a huge thread thats on here. Its "NBA Recruit Center" or something, We have a bunch of little articles and opinions on players.

                              If I could rank the players by tiers, I would do it like this:

                              1sr tier: John Wall (All NBA, HOF potential)
                              2nd tier: Derrick Favors, Evan Turner (Perenial AS potential)
                              3rd tier: Patrick Patterson, Ed Davis, Cole Aldrich, Xavier Henry, Devin Ebanks (Very good players, 1 or 2 AS appearances perhaps)
                              4th tier: Willie Warren, Greg Monroe, Larry Sanders (Fringe starters, good 6th/7th men)

                              All of this is based on my opinion, and if it helps, go to mock drafts as well.

                              *THIS IS REPLYING TO BILL NYES OLD THREAD*
                              "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

                              Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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                              • Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Recruiting Center

                                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                                Grammar RANT

                                Anthem correcting grammar is so terrible? It's not like he was a d*** about it. We all understand typos and spelling mistakes, but this was a correctly spelled word being used incorrectly. Plus it's one of the most common mistakes going these days.

                                I'm starting to really hate this era of "being smart makes you a loser". I will type in sound-alikes with the best of them but that doesn't mean everyone has to accept it. Go ahead and point it out, I'm happy for the editing help.

                                This is a forum of WRITTEN communication. It doesn't hurt to be a competent writer if you are going to participate. People will judge your writing just as much as they'd judge an accent or pronunciation if you were speaking. Doesn't mean the points being made are wrong, it's just a fact of life.
                                I'm a competent writer. I won my 6th grade spelling bee. I know the difference between their/they're/there, then/than, its/it's/its', and it bugs me to all get out when someone says "I could care less" (which is absolutely wrong; if you could care less, then (not than) that means you care "somewhat", which is contradictory to your argument if you're (not your) trying to indicate that you don't give a crap about something).

                                However --- I also understand context. A forum is not a publication. Correcting someone's grammar on a forum is like a father screaming at his 4th-grade kid's soccer coach for a missed call. Sure it was a missed call, but it's 4th grade ---- context, dude. I'm not grading your forum posts. If we wanted to get grammatically critical, I could contend that you need to learn to convey your thoughts with LESS WORDS --- otherwise known as conciseness. I'm sure you have excellent things to say, except I get to paragraph 5 and think, "Alright, moving on, I understood his point by sentence 2".

                                I knew what the dude meant. I, personally, have typed "their" when I should have used "they're" so many times it's not funny, but that's what happens after a long day at work, a 3-page honey-do list, whiny employees, a screaming kid, a few beers, etc...
                                Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 12-28-2009, 07:38 PM.
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