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    Hey, Brian: Is it possible that the Cavs would have an interest in Troy Murphy from the Pacers at the trade deadline? Indiana could clear cap space and they have Tyler Hansbrough developing at power forward. -- Rick Martucci, Cleveland

    Hey, Rick: The Pacers are struggling but Murphy and Hansbrough aren't the same player, Murphy is a so-called "stretch" forward who can shoot from long range. That said, league executives say the Cavs are making calls to check on trade availability of stretch power forwards. So that type of trade is something they may look at down the line.


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    Murphy for Z. Murphy for Z. Murphy for Z. *clicks heels*

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    Murphy for Z. Murphy for Z. Murphy for Z. *clicks heels*
    Hell. Yes.

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    Man, this is thin.

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    I can imagine Cleveland making that trade with us just before the trade deadline. We then buy out Z, who then soon re-signs with the Cavs for the vet min. In that environment, Murph definitely would add value to their championship prospects.

    TPTB, of course, would take (immense) comfort in being able to jump aggressively into free agency a year sooner.

    Then again, I have a healthy imagination.

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    I can imagine Cleveland making that trade with us just before the trade deadline. We then buy out Z, who then soon re-signs with the Cavs for the vet min. In that environment, Murph definitely would add value to their championship prospects.

    TPTB, of course, would take (immense) comfort in being able to jump aggressively into free agency a year sooner.

    Then again, I have a healthy imagination.
    No, they couldn't jump into free agency a year sooner. They would still be over the salary cap. A move like this would only help the Pacers avoid the luxury tax, which they need to do.

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    And I would be totally fine with that.

    If the Cavs wouldn't do it otherwise, but are in fact interested in Murphy, the Pacers agreeing to release Z would probably encourage them to do it.

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    Please!!!
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    I can imagine Cleveland making that trade with us just before the trade deadline. We then buy out Z, who then soon re-signs with the Cavs for the vet min. In that environment, Murph definitely would add value to their championship prospects.

    TPTB, of course, would take (immense) comfort in being able to jump aggressively into free agency a year sooner.

    Then again, I have a healthy imagination.

    I read that that Cavs had wanted the Golden State to buy out Z so they could resign him and the warriors didn't want to do this so it killed the Jackson trade.

    I'd be fine with the salary dump myself, and we'd be lucky to get that for Murphy they way he's played this year. I hope Larry is pursuing all available trades for Murphy.

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    No, they couldn't jump into free agency a year sooner. They would still be over the salary cap. A move like this would only help the Pacers avoid the luxury tax, which they need to do.
    So how much would you project we'd be under the cap if we worked out a trade with Houston for TMAC instead? We'd have to dump Murphy, TJ, and Denier I think to make this happen.

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    No, they couldn't jump into free agency a year sooner. They would still be over the salary cap. A move like this would only help the Pacers avoid the luxury tax, which they need to do.
    Well, that wouldn't be the only thing.

    Ridding themselves of Murphy would be addition by subtraction.

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    Well, that wouldn't be the only thing.

    Ridding themselves of Murphy would be addition by subtraction.
    Exactly...for one thing it would give Tyler a chance to develop.

    What baffles me about O'Brien giving heavy minutes to the formerly injured players (Murphy, Dunleavy and Foster) is that he's essentially reincorporating into the rotation (at the expense of developing the young guys) the same guys who failed to carry you (and previously the GSW) into the playoffs. This move makes absolutely no sense to me...it's not like Murphleavy and Foster have 'upside', either...what you see now and in the last 3+ years is as good as it ever has and will be.

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    No, they couldn't jump into free agency a year sooner. They would still be over the salary cap. A move like this would only help the Pacers avoid the luxury tax, which they need to do.
    Ah yes, good clarification, thank you -- they still would not yet be in a position to pursue the big $10+ mil fish.

    However, I was tacitly assuming that this would set one or two other moves in motion. (Everyone here loves draft picks, including me, but next year's crop is just so dang young, I could see Larry trading it for someone already in the league.) In any case, I do think they would become more aggressive than they were this past summer.

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    No, they couldn't jump into free agency a year sooner. They would still be over the salary cap. A move like this would only help the Pacers avoid the luxury tax, which they need to do.
    It does get us into free agency, just not the big names. It would give us wiggle room to go after somebody with the MLE, for example. As it stands we can't do that at all.
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    Long-time lurker here, figured it was time to start posting..

    Fear not everyone - I have decided to take matters into my own hands. Last week, I sent this e-mail to PacersInsider@Pacers.com:

    Subject: Please forward to Larry Bird or David Morway

    Watching Troy Murphy play 30 minutes a night is simply crushing my spirit.

    Please take care of this.

    Respectfully,
    Will Bryant
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    They didn't seem to take that to heart so I sent another one this morning, after attending the Pacers-Clips game last night:

    2009-2010 Indiana Pacers: 5-0 without Troy Murphy in the starting line-up; 1-11 with Troy Murphy in the starting line-up.

    "I have tremendous confidence that Murph's a guy we need on the basketball court." - Jim O'brien

    Really?! Look, Troy Murphy is not the root of all evil. He does some things very well on the basketball court. But what he does not do very well is help the Pacers win basketball games. The team played much better when he was out of the line-up. Since his return (and Solomon Jones subsequent string of CD-DNPs), the team defense has suffered dramatically and the entire group has simply looked flat - lacking the consistent display of passion and energy that was evident in their five-game winning streak.

    Please, for the sake of Pacers fans across the country, DO NOT wait until 2011 to fix this! Reduce Troy's role and minutes.. or trade him to the Cavs for an expiring contract or a bag of potato chips. I do not hate Troy Murphy. I just hate his role on this team.

    I have been a Pacers fan through the good times and the bad (and will continue to be) but this might be as hopeless as I remember feeling about our team.
    I am fairly confident that my efforts will fix everything.

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    You people are freaking nuts!

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    Is this just speculation, or is there any chance this could fall through at the break? If this happens, we might win more than 20 games this year.
    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    It does get us into free agency, just not the big names. It would give us wiggle room to go after somebody with the MLE, for example. As it stands we can't do that at all.
    Mathematically, maybe.

    More likely, they'll be keeping the cash for themselves, and trying to survive as a franchise.

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    You people are freaking nuts!
    You're right.

    It's been proven. Our team is much more likely to win with Murphy. We've all lost it.
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    You're right.

    It's been proven. Our team is much more likely to win with Murphy. We've all lost it.
    He's a poison. Fools gold. Addition by subtraction. Whatever you want to call it.
    "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

    Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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    I want someone good in return. I don't want say Ilgauskas.

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    I want someone good in return. I don't want say Ilgauskas.
    Me too. Problem is, you don't get someone good in return when you offer a mediocre player.

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    I want someone good in return. I don't want say Ilgauskas.
    You want someone good in return for someone who sucks? Me too.
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    You want someone good in return for someone who sucks? Me too.
    I'm saying why settle on someone who sucks when Troy does have a lot of value in him and I'm sure we can get someone or players that are valuable.

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    He's a poison. Fools gold. Addition by subtraction. Whatever you want to call it.
    Well, as long as he's here he's subtraction by addition.

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