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  • #31
    Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    Lawrence Frank is a good coach. I think he's better off with veterans, but he's a good coach.
    He's a coach I have pretty much always liked. Not a top-tier coach, but IMHO an above average coach. I think it's good he's out of New Jersey now and I hope he coaches another team soon. Hopefully a better team then the Nets now though.
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    • #32
      Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      Let me say something. I used to think and would often say this forum was better when the Pacers were struggling, not this season though, this forum has degenerated into something I'm not too sure I always still want to be a part of.

      The day after the next Pacers coach is hired, I think a new fire the coach thread should be started and stickied and just kept at the top of the page so it is all in one nice thread

      Sorry, UB, hate to disagree with you as one of the members I respect the most (which I do), but have you forgotten the fire Carlisle threads a few years ago? I haven't and it mostly happenned in his last year when the team, just like now, was underperforming and the team looked lost. It felt like everyday or after every loss a new one would come up, so I don't view the situation with JOB as new. Maybe, because of the way JOB likes this team to play accelerates the irritation about him? I dunno .

      While, I don't think JOB has (completely) lost the team yet, I'm quite worried about the wheels completely falling of off our team as this season proceeds. The good news? Getting a better pick then expected in what scouts think could be a pretty good draft class. Hey, you have to hold your hopes to something.

      Anyway, I say what management should do is let JOB coach the team until early january and see where we are then make a decision on what to do next this year: let him finish it or fire him and replace him in january. The conclusion should be that this is his last year though.

      Just my
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      • #33
        Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

        Originally posted by theboyjwo View Post
        The hard decision would have been to trade Troy Murphy out of here on Draft night and get a higher pick to give us a real solution at PG. Instead he brought in Earl Watson, who is a career back up who is playing starters minutes.
        Please tell me I am mis-reading your post, or maybe you are just being absurd to make a point. Assuming you are not. Do you really think any team would have ever considered trading their "higher" draft pick for Troy. First, that isn't even a possibility with the salary cap, second, no other team would consider doing that, Third, no other team wants Troy at least not yet (until he is close to being an expiring contract)

        But who knows, maybe I'm wrong, maybe the Kings were trying to trade us Evans for Murphy, or maybe the Bucks were trying to trade us Jennings for Murphy, but Bird just couldn't make the tough decision - except that would have ethe easist decision ever for Bird and either GM in Milwaukee or Sacramento would have been fired for making such a dumb decision. I'm sure the Hornets were calling about trading us Paul for Murphy, surely that was happening also
        Last edited by Unclebuck; 12-06-2009, 09:57 AM.

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        • #34
          Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

          Originally posted by Mourning View Post
          Sorry, UB, hate to disagree with you as one of the members I respect the most (which I do), but have you forgotten the fire Carlisle threads a few years ago? I haven't and it mostly happenned in his last year when the team, just like now, was underperforming and the team looked lost. It felt like everyday or after every loss a new one would come up, so I don't view the situation with JOB as new. Maybe, because of the way JOB likes this team to play accelerates the irritation about him? I dunno .

          While, I don't think JOB has (completely) lost the team yet, I'm quite worried about the wheels completely falling of off our team as this season proceeds. The good news? Getting a better pick then expected in what scouts think could be a pretty good draft class. Hey, you have to hold your hopes to something.

          Anyway, I say what management should do is let JOB coach the team until early january and see where we are then make a decision on what to do next this year: let him finish it or fire him and replace him in january. The conclusion should be that this is his last year though.

          Just my

          I remember the fire the coach threads in Carlisle's era, it started around March of Rick's second to last year here (I found several of these old theads about a month ago but they were lost when the forum was down) It obviously didn't start in Rick's first year because the pacers won 61 games, the second year was the brawl, so it couldn't start that season.

          I have no problem with thinking JOB isn't the right coach for the Pacers and right now it is certainly resonable to assume that he has lost the team. That is fine, but why must we have a new thred every third day about it, and for the person who startd this thred to act like he is the only one who ever considered firing JOB it just is too much

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          • #35
            Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

            Buck ................ relax, have a beer, watch the Colts.

            This team doesn't care, why should we ??

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            • #36
              Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              ......why must we have a new thred every third day about it, and for the person who startd this thred to act like he is the only one who ever considered firing JOB it just is too much
              Buck, I think the answer to your question is simple. Some posters are just one-trick-ponies. It is simply all they are capable of coming up with to say, so they say it over and over.

              Most of these posters are likely the same ones who wouldn't understand half of what you post, or get Peck's humor in his "odd thoughts" bits, and certainly would be totally lost by the second paragraph of one of T-bird's "basketball clinic in a post" writings.

              I know that will upset a few, and I have been guilty of a bit of it myself over the years, but that is my view and I'm sticking to it.

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              • #37
                Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                That is fine, but why must we have a new thred every third day about it, and for the person who startd this thred to act like he is the only one who ever considered firing JOB it just is too much
                That I completely agree with!
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                • #38
                  Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

                  Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                  Buck, I think the answer to your question is simple. Some posters are just one-trick-ponies. It is simply all they are capable of coming up with to say, so they say it over and over.

                  Most of these posters are likely the same ones who wouldn't understand half of what you post, or get Peck's humor in his "odd thoughts" bits, and certainly would be totally lost by the second paragraph of one of T-bird's "basketball clinic in a post" writings.

                  I know that will upset a few, and I have been guilty of a bit of it myself over the years, but that is my view and I'm sticking to it.
                  Because some people either have big enough of an ego to think they can create a superior thread, or they're so stupid they don't realize this is already being discussed somewhere else.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

                    Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
                    Because some people either have big enough of an ego to think they can create a superior thread, or they're so stupid they don't realize this is already being discussed somewhere else.

                    OR many of the threads are created by newbie posters.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      Roy has started every game but two and each of those two games were because of matchups, so the fact of the matter is he is still getting a more than fair chance to play well every game. And when he does play well within a game he plays more minutes. Tyler is on a minute limit of 16 per game.
                      Oh, why bother

                      Let me say something. I used to think and would often say this forum was better when the Pacers were struggling, not this season though, this forum has degenerated into something I'm not too sure I always still want to be a part of.

                      The day after the next Pacers coach is hired, I think a new fire the coach thread should be started and stickied and just kept at the top of the page so it is all in one nice thread
                      I think merging these to a sticky was a good idea. As an admin, why don't you do it? BTW, Hibbert had a pretty good game last night...

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                      • #41
                        Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

                        To be quite honest as to why there are so many topics, I've seen at least one new poster start these topics claiming he was from some completely different state in his first post. Continues to ask questions like a newb. Claims he just started following the team ... this is his first post.

                        Post 2 rolls around in a different topic, and it's talking about how he heard "Slick" talking about something. All sounded fishy to me. There were some contradictions in the post that made me question if it wasn't someone who signed up just to be a joke. Seen a couple of those lately, actually. That one just stood out because of the blatant contradictions.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

                          Remember when we had the "Official JO Trade Rumor Thread"? I think it might be time for a similar thread for JOB.
                          Last edited by Los Angeles; 12-06-2009, 11:08 PM.
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                          • #43
                            Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            Please tell me I am mis-reading your post, or maybe you are just being absurd to make a point. Assuming you are not. Do you really think any team would have ever considered trading their "higher" draft pick for Troy. First, that isn't even a possibility with the salary cap, second, no other team would consider doing that, Third, no other team wants Troy at least not yet (until he is close to being an expiring contract)

                            But who knows, maybe I'm wrong, maybe the Kings were trying to trade us Evans for Murphy, or maybe the Bucks were trying to trade us Jennings for Murphy, but Bird just couldn't make the tough decision - except that would have the easiest decision ever for Bird and either GM in Milwaukee or Sacramento would have been fired for making such a dumb decision. I'm sure the Hornets were calling about trading us Paul for Murphy, surely that was happening also
                            Sure Troy for a higher draft pick doesn't work. But I believe that a trade of sorts could have happened that resulted in getting rid of murphy and taking back a couple of players plus an extra first round draft pick. Those couple of players we took back could have been a back up PG or bench warmer like Solo. Any team in rebuilding mode needs more than 1 first round draft pick per year. Instead we let our second best player walk away for nothing and signed a few scrubs for league minimum and only added one talented rookie. Resulting in a team that is obviously worse than last years.

                            The talk about going after a big free agent the year Murphy and Dun expire is rediculous. You know its not going to happen. No big name is going to come here to lose along side granger. Pacers have to build with in using the draft. All small market teams must do this.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

                              Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
                              Remember when we had the "Official JO Trade Rumor Thread"? I think it might be time for a similar thread for JOB.
                              There are plenty of threads already. Make it stop.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Pleading to fire coach O'Brien

                                Originally posted by theboyjwo View Post
                                Sure Troy for a higher draft pick doesn't work. But I believe that a trade of sorts could have happened that resulted in getting rid of murphy and taking back a couple of players plus an extra first round draft pick.
                                Could you elaborate on this? What sort of trades are you imagining that were realistic?

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