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    Default Re: Gamethread Pacers @ Kings 11-2-09

    The offense got worse and worse as the half went on.

    At the beginning of the first quarter, we were actually doing a decent job moving the ball around. Danny, Hans, Hibbert, Rush, arguably Watson and Jones would all benefit from a much more structured offense. When we play within a real structure, we actually look like a pretty good team. Our only core play who would be somewhat of a fish out of water would be Ford.

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    Damn that back injury of Troy's. Now he can't even shoot.

    Where is Brandon Rush? We can use his defense around the arc.

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    Murphy backed out of the way to give some post ground, as often does happen in post defense.
    Murphy was almost out of bounds. Thompson had a bunny. Hibbert, in his youthful exuberance, made another mistake...but Troy was the proximate cause....

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    Foster's afraid to leave Murphy alone in the paint...for good reason.
    Yeah you go say that without basis.

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    Admittedly it's not comfortable for a big to get out there and defend those shots. However, Kellogg commented early on that the midrange jumper is a big part of Thompson's game. So, on the other hand, maybe you've scouted that?
    I'd say he's hot right now- hotspots indicate that traditionally this far away from the rim he shoots poorly unless its in the middle part of the floor.

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    I would be pissed at Dahntay if he did that, who the **** does he think he is taking that shot?
    That might be the worst Obie quality that no one seems to complain about. His insistence on giving anyone on the team the perpetual green light to shoot.

    You don't get the impression that Granger and Dahntay get along very well either...

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    I'd give him that shot all night.
    I think you're gonna lose that game of chicken.
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    Thompson is hot because no one, whether it be Foster or Murphy, is anywhere near him. He's an NBA player and most of them can hit the mid range if completely unguarded. Even Foster can do that.

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    Damn that back injury of Troy's. Now he can't even shoot.

    Where is Brandon Rush? We can use his defense around the arc.
    Yep.

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    On the bench where I'd guess he stays planted all game until and unless there is garbage time. We could use his defense around the arc but I just don't think that is quite as important to O'Brien as it is for some of us.
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    I'd give him that shot all night.
    If I were you, I might want to rethink that strategy.

    You want to stop Thompson? Force him inside. He has problems finishing close to the rim...unless he's inside and Udrih or Casspi or Evans spot him for an alley-oop.

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    I dunno, I thought that Boozer-like mid-range was his game. NJ guy too.
    Maybe he added that recently, but the data from hotspots indicated he isn't this good traditionally. He's hit from spots that data suggest he's not been good at statistically speaking.

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    DJ had a good half, but that possession was bonehead on his part.

    Are those two always bickering or is it just me?
    If it is, I think because he's probably one of the players who look the least to pass...

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    Murphy was almost out of bounds. Thompson had a bunny. Hibbert, in his youthful exuberance, made another mistake...but Troy was the proximate cause....
    Would a more established player picked up a foul? Would another player be so eager to block a shot instead of letting it go? Would that stumble have possibly caused him to put up an off balance shot? I can't see why Hibbert did what he did- I don't know if a smarter player would have done that.

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    Damn that back injury of Troy's. Now he can't even shoot.

    Where is Brandon Rush? We can use his defense around the arc.
    I'm wondering if Rush is gonna lose a majority of minutes..

    Watson/Ford have been on the court as the 1 and 2 with Dun back
    Dun can play the two
    Jones can play the two

    Rush is suddenly fourth on the depth chart

    Dun can play the three, Granger can play the three, Jones can play the three..Rush is fourth on the depth chart yet again..

    Granted, it would be nice to have Murphy lose his minutes, have the four spot be Granger/Hansborough/Murphy, Jones/Granger/Dunleavy, and Rush/Jones/Dunleavy

    in those orders, for depth...so that basically, rush gets Murphy's minutes..but that's not happening.

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    Kings have a better record than us and have good players...how are they a crappy team?
    I'm not talking about comparing them against us .. I'm talking about the Kings not being considered a top tier team in the league ...

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    Thompson is hot because no one, whether it be Foster or Murphy, is anywhere near him. He's an NBA player and most of them can hit the mid range if completely unguarded. Even Foster can do that.
    He hit all 3 of those against Foster, so clearly Foster is catching Murphy's Disease. Murphy has been awful this game, and he's one of my favorite players. I'd like to see Granger at least acknowledge that there is room on the floor inside the 3-point line. He hasn't had a single rebound, either.

    I would like to see (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Foster on the court more with Hansbrough, once Tyler gets healthy.

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    I'd say he's hot right now- hotspots indicate that traditionally this far away from the rim he shoots poorly unless its in the middle part of the floor.
    Please explain this. I'm not at all clear about what you mean. Many of those shots are from the middle of the floor area. He's hitting from the key are extended a few feet toward the sideline.

    Also, on what traditional basis are you concluding his hotspots?
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    Well on that Thompson play where Murphy stripped the ball and Roy had to come over and help. The ref didnt whistle the obvious push Thompson made on Murphy to clear him out after the strip so he could recover the ball. But still Troy has been terrible in general.

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    If I were you, I might want to rethink that strategy.

    You want to stop Thompson? Force him inside. He has problems finishing close to the rim...unless he's inside and Udrih or Casspi or Evans spot him for an alley-oop.

    While I bow to your superior knowledge of Kings players, data suggests that by giving up these shots from the side of the floor we gave him results in lower percentages then letting him establish in the post. You may certainly be right- but I'm going off of data when I haven't followed the Kings that much.

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    the data from hotspots indicated he isn't this good traditionally. He's hit from spots that data suggest he's not been good at statistically speaking.
    The data from the TV screen suggests that he is burning the hell out of us from outside.
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    Maybe he added that recently, but the data from hotspots indicated he isn't this good traditionally. He's hit from spots that data suggest he's not been good at statistically speaking.
    I don't know what hotspots is/are but I do know the Kings and Jason Thompson. He's worked hard on his mid-range jumper and is hitting them more and more consistently, especially when it's in the flow of the game and not panicked.

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    I'm not talking about comparing them against us .. I'm talking about the Kings not being considered a top tier team in the league ...
    Touche, but they are better than 13 other teams in this league currently.

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    Please explain this. I'm not at all clear about what you mean. Many of those shots are from the middle of the floor area. He's hitting from the key are extended a few feet toward the sideline.

    Also, on what traditional basis are you concluding his hotspots?
    http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

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    [quote=flox;922113]Maybe he added that recently, but the data from hotspots indicated he isn't this good traditionally. He's hit from spots that data suggest he's not been good at statistically speaking.



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    Oh, okay. I get it. It's a website charting players shooting, etc. Well, that's great, but sometimes stats aren't reliable. Kellogg and our resident Kings guy are saying that's one of Thompson's Fortes.
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    TJ is terrible, jump up and throw it behind you out of bounds.

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    The data from the TV screen suggests that he is burning the hell out of us from outside.
    Outlier, for now.

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    I don't know what hotspots is/are but I do know the Kings and Jason Thompson. He's worked hard on his mid-range jumper and is hitting them more and more consistently, especially when it's in the flow of the game and not panicked.

    Take it for what it's worth...
    Cool- it hasn't shown itself so far in this seasons data. I'll keep that in mind for the next game.

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    You watch statistics...I'll continue to watch the Kings. Defend JT the way you have so far and you will regret it.

    But I'm not here to troll; I respect you guys and your team. And damn, Granger just keeps getting better.

    Enjoy the second half. I'm back to my board.

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    Danny mixing it up tonight !!

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    Thompson's a good mid-range shooter. I've been following him because he's been on my fantasy team since last year. The Kings even played him at SF in some stretches. You don't do that if he doesn't have a mid-range game.

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