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Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

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  • #16
    Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

    Probably because there's a lot more reason to criticize the coach. Trust me, he gives everyone all kinds of options. Too many to count.

    Actually a better question is why would Granger get criticism? He has done just about everything right off the basketball court and done very well on it. He is our only all-star and has shed teeth on the floor to win games. He's even toned down his whining to the officials a bit IMO...which was my only criticism. No, he's not a great defensive player, but the other players who see the court are a whole lot worse on that side of the floor than Granger. What I do know is that Danny could be part of a very solid defense.

    Maybe he should have lost some molars too. IDK. I think your time is best spent complaining about Troy Murphy and JOb.

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    • #17
      Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

      Danny is definitely not playing to his potential but i could say that about a lot of the pacers. He is no different than anyone else on the team.

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      • #18
        Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

        Danny Granger gets no criticism because he is the least of the Pacers' problems.
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        • #19
          Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

          Shake the haters off Danny!
          Shot selection and stupid fouls are the only things I can find fault with him this year so far. Taking more 3's than 2's is just simply a bad idea. But also on the other hand rarely have I seen any of his teammates set a solid screen or pick for him to open up in to the lane.

          On the stupid fouls, it just seems like in several games he had a lapse in focus and committed dumb fouls in succession. But just two games ago he actually played a great series of defense against Dirk, for the few minutes JOB allowed.

          Playing with nagging injuries certainly affects your performance, but the guy is still averaging 24pts a game. Numbers are there, just seems like he hasn't had the same impact as he had last year. The Killer instinct isn't there so far this year.

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          • #20
            Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

            Man, I said something to this effect in the postgame thread last night. I'm just happy I'm not alone here.

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            • #21
              Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

              Just to clear something up...I am well aware that Granger is not Magic Johnson and I do not expect him to become more talented than he is. I think he is a very smart player, who "generally speaking" makes up for his lack of talent (that is talent relative to other all star players) by playing smart. Many people around the league refer to his style of play as "old school" and to me that simply means playing smart and not relying on freakish athletic ability.

              I feel like this year he is not playing as smart and is relying more on his limited talents/athletic abilities (again relative to other all star players).

              I have seen him attempt to dribble through multiple defenders way too many times this year, I have also seen him blow fast break opportunities by taking extremely difficult shots instead of simply passing the ball.

              Many players make these mistakes on a regular basis, I just am not used to seeing Granger play this way...that is my problem. I think part of being a franchise player is taking criticism for not playing up to your abilities...i also think if he is injured he needs to sit!!! We do not need another Jermaine O'neal as the face of the franchise. I'd rather go on a 5 game losing streak, then have Granger injured for the next couple of seasons.

              Also, I am pretty sure last year every team in the league knew to focus their defense on Granger when they played the Pacers. I personally do not agree with the arguement that he is facing a more focused defensive scheme by the opposing teams.
              *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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              • #22
                Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

                I'm worried about him. I think the injuries play a role, but there's something up with his mentality, too. His handles really need to improve as well.

                All I can do for now is wait and see. He's done enough here for me to give him time to right the ship. He gets a very long leash from me.

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                • #23
                  Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

                  I think his head is a little inflated. The past couple years he was motivated by the doubters who did not think he could be an impact player in the league; now that he has proven himself I don't think he has the same hunger/drive he used to.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

                    I also think a big problem.. not only with Danny , but the whole team.........................................
                    is TRUST issues ...


                    If you noticed, in the 5 game winning streak... ALL of the players seemed to TRUST each other, and it made for alot more movement of the ball , as well as movement of the bodies on the floor.. Which in turn .. led to players exhibiting ALOT more confidence in their game on both ends of the floor.. (offense AND defense )

                    It seems to me, that the players simply are playing too cautious and scared...
                    Which leads not only to more dumb turnovers, but no ball movement , no enthusiasm on the court or the bench ... and most of all poor shot selection ..
                    It seems like Danny is trying to put the whole team on his back and he is beyond frustrated (which is what we are seeing from him in terms of his perceived "attitude") (which he cannot do when he is hurting from injury).. which leads to his erratic driving in the lanes (sometimes leading to a turnover) , and jacking up alot of 3's (in hopes of getting us back into game )... I think he has some minor trust issues with everyone on the team right now.. I don't know if his uncomfortableness is solely on O'Brien , but I am guessing partially yes..

                    I think that everyone on the team are skittish right now and the on-court chemistry is in serious need of being shocked with some diffibulator paddles ..
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                    • #25
                      Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

                      Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
                      Just to clear something up...I am well aware that Granger is not Magic Johnson and I do not expect him to become more talented than he is. I think he is a very smart player, who "generally speaking" makes up for his lack of talent (that is talent relative to other all star players) by playing smart. Many people around the league refer to his style of play as "old school" and to me that simply means playing smart and not relying on freakish athletic ability.

                      I feel like this year he is not playing as smart and is relying more on his limited talents/athletic abilities (again relative to other all star players).

                      I have seen him attempt to dribble through multiple defenders way too many times this year, I have also seen him blow fast break opportunities by taking extremely difficult shots instead of simply passing the ball.

                      Many players make these mistakes on a regular basis, I just am not used to seeing Granger play this way...that is my problem. I think part of being a franchise player is taking criticism for not playing up to your abilities...i also think if he is injured he needs to sit!!! We do not need another Jermaine O'neal as the face of the franchise. I'd rather go on a 5 game losing streak, then have Granger injured for the next couple of seasons.

                      Also, I am pretty sure last year every team in the league knew to focus their defense on Granger when they played the Pacers. I personally do not agree with the arguement that he is facing a more focused defensive scheme by the opposing teams.
                      Granger is better scouted out this year. His tendencies and what he likes to do are all scouted out and these things are better known. He's not the first guy to have a breakout year that gets followed by a season where he shoots a lower percentage. That's how this league works.

                      And he's playing hurt. On top of all this, he doesn't have the help he had last year. Troy Murphy had a career season last year shooting the ball. This year, he's having a far worse year.

                      Jarrett Jack was a pretty clutch guy last year in the 4th quarter nailing all kinds of big shots. He was the Pacers 2nd best player in the 4th quarter. He's not here this season and the Pacers alternatives are an erratic TJ Ford and a Earl Watson, who has shot a career 41% FG.

                      Marquis Daniels was effective last year in certain spurts. He wasn't consistent due to his usual injuries, but when he played he gave a boost. That's not there this season.

                      Those are all big factors in putting a load on Granger. Dahntay Jones has been a nice surprise, but he's a career 7th/8th man, non-offensive role player who's been thrust into the #2 scoring option. That pretty much tells you what kind of team Danny has to carry. Is Granger forcing things? Sure. He doesn't have much of a choice when his team is consistently down double digits or blowing double digit leads.

                      You can try implementing a San Antonio Spurs type system to take the pressure off one guy as so many people on this board clamor for, but with this team's personnel, it's going to look a lot more like the Memphis Grizzlies than the Spurs (at least in the W-L column).

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                      • #26
                        Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

                        Even if I was to concede Danny Granger was a problem, he's the least of the Pacers' problems....
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

                          Originally posted by d_c View Post
                          Granger is better scouted out this year. His tendencies and what he likes to do are all scouted out and these things are better known. He's not the first guy to have a breakout year that gets followed by a season where he shoots a lower percentage. That's how this league works.

                          And he's playing hurt. On top of all this, he doesn't have the help he had last year. Troy Murphy had a career season last year shooting the ball. This year, he's having a far worse year.

                          Jarrett Jack was a pretty clutch guy last year in the 4th quarter nailing all kinds of big shots. He was the Pacers 2nd best player in the 4th quarter. He's not here this season and the Pacers alternatives are an erratic TJ Ford and a Earl Watson, who has shot a career 41% FG.

                          Marquis Daniels was effective last year in certain spurts. He wasn't consistent due to his usual injuries, but when he played he gave a boost. That's not there this season.

                          Those are all big factors in putting a load on Granger. Dahntay Jones has been a nice surprise, but he's a career 7th/8th man, non-offensive role player who's been thrust into the #2 scoring option. That pretty much tells you what kind of team Danny has to carry. Is Granger forcing things? Sure. He doesn't have much of a choice when his team is consistently down double digits or blowing double digit leads.

                          You can try implementing a San Antonio Spurs type system to take the pressure off one guy as so many people on this board clamor for, but with this team's personnel, it's going to look a lot more like the Memphis Grizzlies than the Spurs (at least in the W-L column).
                          Pretty much all that needs to be said about this currently IMHO .
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                          • #28
                            Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

                            What I do know is that every once in a while, and this happened during the GSW game, Danny will react to getting a rebound or swing pass by chucking up a contested three and leaving his teammates visibly wondering what the hell he's doing. He may feel like he has expectations now and has to choose poor shot selection occasionally. It doesn't really matter, he can do what he wants because he's Danny Granger. The condition is that he has to continue being Danny Granger, though.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                              Probably because there's a lot more reason to criticize the coach. Trust me, he gives everyone all kinds of options. Too many to count.

                              Actually a better question is why would Granger get criticism? He has done just about everything right off the basketball court and done very well on it. He is our only all-star and has shed teeth on the floor to win games. He's even toned down his whining to the officials a bit IMO...which was my only criticism. No, he's not a great defensive player, but the other players who see the court are a whole lot worse on that side of the floor than Granger. What I do know is that Danny could be part of a very solid defense.

                              Maybe he should have lost some molars too. IDK. I think your time is best spent complaining about Troy Murphy and JOb.

                              So you are ok with 41% shooting, 35% 3pt shooting, taking 9 3pt shots a game(1 3pter less than half of the 3pters the team takes per game), poor shot selection, poor "D", poor handles, and poor leadership and attitude all b/c he lost some teeth last year against the Celtics. Personally, I expect more from a player who just got a 5 year 60 mil contract and was an Allstar last year. We definately have different expectations.

                              If his poor play is due to injuries, then shut him down, b/c this team is going no where anyway. I don't want to see another player playing b4 his injuries are healed.... been there too many times in the past. It's counter productive, and not in the best interest of Granger's future health or the Pacers.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Why does Danny Granger get no criticism?

                                I'll criticize Danny for his lack of leadership this season. He often seems lost in his own performance. From what I see on the court this season danny seems less like a leader than he was last season and last season he wasn't a leader either. So I would give him a solid D for his leadership.


                                Defense I'll be honest I have not focused on his defense, overall I would say it is better than last season, but not as good as it should be

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