View Poll Results: Should JOB be fired?

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    Well, yes...

    However his job is very secure.

    Hard to imagine a coach with that losing record being secure but I'm pretty sure Thorn knew going into this season that this was what was going to happen. I think he is probably more interested in devloping the new players and the fantasy persuit of LeBron for this summer.
    You realize they just fired Frank today, right?

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    Lopez is a lot better than Hibbert. Let's not kid ourselves here.
    I don't have to be kidding myself to disagree with you about Roy.

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    You realize they just fired Frank today, right?
    Um, no I didn't....

    Well, um then uh, yes we should be interested in Frank.

    To be honest with you this is a shock becuase I thought that they knew this was going to happen.

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    I was surprised.

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    Did you think that was a personal attack? I thought the comment was a generalization aimed at those who irrationally attack their coach when things don't go well. Obviously, Job isn't the greatest coach, but who could we get that would be a difference maker was the question? Maybe I hit home with that comment. Lo siento amigo.

    Plus, I was the one who said high-profile, obviously. Those are the type of coaches that can make a difference. Also, the type of coach that wouldn't accept this job.

    So, Thebodeau, Van Gundy,and Turner? Thanks for answering the question despite the personal nonsense. Van Gundy is borderline high-profile and would not accept this job. Who would? Thebodeau and Turner would, but they wouldn't do any better than O'brien with these weak left-overs that we call players. We are very young team with plug-in FA's that we signed only because they fit into our cap-space. However, those two could be good replacements, but after Obie's contract expires. There is no benefit to firing Job at this point. That is all I'm saying. We suck, face it. I still bleed blue and gold, but remain realistic and rational.
    No no no, I didn't think it was a personal attack at all. Just initiating discussion. I don't really know where you got that from to be honest.

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    Um, no I didn't....

    Well, um then uh, yes we should be interested in Frank.

    To be honest with you this is a shock becuase I thought that they knew this was going to happen.
    Why- their team is arguably as good if not better than the pre-Dun Pacers.

    Harris > Ford
    this year's CDR > Rush (look at the numbers, look at the way each of them are playing, CDR has been playing at a much higher level than Rush)
    Hassel < Granger
    Josh Boone < Murphy
    Lopez > Hibbert.

    Lee < Jones
    Alston > Watson
    Williams = Tyler
    Sean Williams = Jones
    Yi < Foster
    They have a better starting five, Lee vs Jones is an interesting matchup, we have the much better bench but they still were expecting at least to be 3-13 or 6-10 at this point.

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    I'd take JOB over Frank.

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    I'd take Frank over JOB.

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    I'd take Frank over JOB.
    He's more of a defensive coach than JOB is, but not as much offensive. Based on the Nets' final scores.

    It's worth Bird considering.

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    I'd take Frank over JOB.
    In a heartbeat. And I'm far from a Frank fan.
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    I wasn't surprised. Frank has been the coach since 2003-2004. A span that long is pushing your luck in the NBA when you aren't producing, regardless of whether it's really your fault or not.

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    He's more of a defensive coach than JOB is, but not as much offensive. Based on the Nets' final scores.

    It's worth Bird considering.
    Which means, he's more balanced. I'm with BRushwithdeath, I'm not a Lawrence Frank fan, but he's better than Obie.

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    Van gundy wouldn't accept this job with the team in it's current state. I'd love to have him though.

    I like Mark Jackson as a coach,
    1) Because the casual fan would support him from the beginning.

    2) He would recieve many passes that other seemingly unknown coaches don't normally get from casual, local fans.

    3) He did most of his work in the NBA with a pure understanding of the game that will transulate well as he grows with this young team as coach. With one year under his belt he'll be able to adjust his philosphies according to today's NBA game.

    Honestly though, JOb isn't that bad. He has shown in the past that he can change his approach to fit the team. He really knows how to get the best out of his players. Furthermore, what line-up hasn't been tried? These many line-up changes show we can't force our game on our opponents, a signal of weak personel, rather than a foolish coach. It's not his fault, but hardcore fans want his throat. So, do what we must.

    It's similar to the Charlie Wies situation. Weis hasn't been a terrible coach, but ND isn't winning 9-10 games at all. ND fans haven't quite realized who they are. We're not who we thought we were. We are Stanford, Stanford is ND. Fans see tope five recruiting classes every year, and top 30, at best, performances very year. They score these recruiting classes because of the 5 star offensive players they land time and time again. Besides, that defense couldn't carry a Ball State team anywhere. Plus, 5 star players must do well in school to be called such a titles, so 5 star doesn't mean baddest dude on the planet, but it all doesn't matter to my fellow Irish fans for they want Charlie's head on a plate. So, do what we must.

    It'd be nice to keep a coach at some point.

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    I wasn't surprised. Frank has been the coach since 2003-2004. A span that long is pushing your luck in the NBA when you aren't producing, regardless of whether it's really your fault or not.
    Same reasoning should apply to JOb. He deserves to serve his time, and if he fails cut him in his final year like New Jersey did.

    Sorry but why doesn't Lawerence Frank = Jim O'brien to those who like Frank? Other than 13 games winning streak to start his career, what has he done that is more special than Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson and Devon Harris? The Pacers have Granger and..........Jones maybe.

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    Which means, he's more balanced. I'm with BRushwithdeath, I'm not a Lawrence Frank fan, but he's better than Obie.
    I agree. I'd rather have balanced, but again I'm also not big on Frank.

    There's also Byron Scott who's out there who I would like to have.

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    Same reasoning should apply to JOb. He deserves to serve his time, and if he fails cut him in his final year like New Jersey did.

    Sorry but why doesn't Lawerence Frank = Jim O'brien to those who like Frank? Other than 13 games winning streak to start his career, what has he done that is more special than Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson and Devon Harris? The Pacers have Granger and..........Jones maybe.
    I agree with this assessment. Jim deserves much more time.

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    I agree with this assessment. Jim deserves much more time.

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    I'm guessing that it depends on what happens between now and the all star break...If they are circling the drain, I think they'll have to. LB did Rick Carlisle during the season, yes?

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    I'm refusing to vote, not because, on some level, it isn't a legitimate question, but there have been so many similar threads, I just can't decide which one to vote in

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    LB did Rick Carlisle during the season, yes?

    No. He did it after the season he gave RC an extension thus having ownership pay the rest of the contract while paying for a new coach(O'Brien) at the same time. The exact thing I feel will happen with O'Brien. If it does, then ownership needs to be asking why Bird is so loose with their money. Maybe he needs to heed to the 3 year rule for others he used for himself. That goes for his contract as Pres too.

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    Last time the Pacers fired a coach during the season was. drum roll please. Dick Versace December 21, 1990

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    I'm refusing to vote, not because, on some level, it isn't a legitimate question, but there have been so many similar threads, I just can't decide which one to vote in
    Oh come on, Unclebuck, even after I gave you the shout out?

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    No way do I want Lawrence Frank. I'm just about done with O'Brien but Frank feels like a sideways step instead of step forward. I'm most interested in Byron Scott for all the reasons previously mentioned. Plus, Chris Paul liked him a lot and I don't think he's very happy with the direction of the NO team...well, I can dream.
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    Having a team shoot the 6th most threes is not in and of itself poor coaching.

    The defensive system is not in and of itself poor coaching.

    Being in the top 8 in team assist shows IMO good coaching.

    O'Brien is not nearly as bad a coach as many of the forum members seem to believe

    I stated this before, just because you might not like the offensive or defensive systems, that doesn't mean O'Brien is a bad coach.
    Okay, let me see if I get this straight......

    Encouraging a HORRIBLE outside shooter, like Quis, to shoot outside shots, isn't poor coaching.

    Using a defensive system, that you're players can't run, or simply don't understand, isn't bad coaching.

    BUT.....

    Coaching a top 8 team in assists is good coaching.

    So basically you're argument is, that poor decisions/performance by the team doesn't reflect JOb's coaching grade, but good decisions/performance by the team does.

    Gotcha.

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    Okay, let me see if I get this straight......

    Encouraging a HORRIBLE outside shooter, like Quis, to shoot outside shots, isn't poor coaching.

    Using a defensive system, that you're players can't run, or simply don't understand, isn't bad coaching.

    BUT.....

    Coaching a top 8 team in assists is good coaching.

    So basically you're argument is, that poor decisions/performance by the team doesn't reflect JOb's coaching grade, but good decisions/performance by the team does.

    Gotcha.

    What? The players have been understanding the defensive system well enough this season to rank 6th on defensive FG% - it looks a lot better this season. The offense has been more of a problem - but with the personnel - it makes sense in both regards.

    My only point is just because you might not like a coaches system that doesn't mean they aren't a good coach or aren't capable of doing a good job.

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