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    Tyler Hansbrough epitomizes the recent trend of Pacers draft picks: light on tattoos and convictions but heavy on college experience.

    Like Roy Hibbert and Danny Granger, Hansbrough was a four-year college player. He joins other Pacers such as Dahntay Jones, Brandon Rush, Earl Watson, Travis Diener, Mike Dunleavy, Luther Head, Solomon Jones, Troy Murphy and A.J. Price as players who spent three or more years playing college basketball.

    Yes, the Pacers have come a long way since Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest were garnering bad press in the Hoosier State. Jermaine O'Neal, Jonathan Bender and Al Harrington (none of whom played any NCAA basketball) were once the foundation of the franchise. Now, polished, prepared and disciplined players fill Jim O'Brien's roster.

    "It helps (Hansbrough) out a lot," said fellow rookie and four-year collegiate player Terrence Williams. "It helps him understand the game. It helps him be more mature about situations."

    Maturity is key, particularly when you're winning Wooden and Naismith Awards and a National Championship at North Carolina one moment and struggling to find minutes off the Pacers bench the next.

    "He's limited minutes-wise because of his shin difficulty," said O'Brien of Hansbrough who missed the first four games of the year as well as the entire preseason. "We're not throwing many things at him at once. We just want him to keep up his aggressiveness and he'll pick up things as he goes along. He studies a lot of tape with our coaches. He spends a lot of time with them."

    "It's been pretty frustrating, but it's something I want to get better at," Hansbrough said of the injury bug. "I want to go out there and be the player they want me to be instead of just limping out there and (trying) to play hurt. I feel like the shin is getting better."

    As the shin issues subsided, Hansbrough revealed his aggressive side.

    Despite playing only 14 minutes in his first game, Hansbrough shot 10 free throws and finished with 13 points and five rebounds.

    "It will come when it comes," O'Brien said of Hansbrough's playing time. "Meanwhile he's getting to the foul line, he's being aggressive and he is still trying to find his way because he didn't have a preseason."

    For Hansbrough, staying aggressive is the only way to ensure he keeps himself in O'Brien's rotation.

    "That's just my style," said Hansbrough. "I just try to play the way I play. I don't try to change up my game."

    Hansbrough's aggressiveness, particularly in the paint, should pay dividends down the road for the Pacers. Indiana had a negative Player Efficiency Rating differential at the power forward position last year (18.6 compared to the opponents' 19.5) and sorely needed another interior presence when they took Hansbrough with the 13th pick in the 2009 draft.

    The Pacers currently still have a negative PER differential at power forward (Troy Murphy's injury has been a major factor in this), but the early returns for Hansbrough have been encouraging.

    "It's just a matter of getting used to the NBA – the quality of the athlete, the size and the quickness – and then learning the whole new system, defensively and offensively," explained O'Brien. "There's a lot thrown at rookies."

    The biggest demand for some rookies – as O'Brien mentioned – is dealing with NBA athletes. And had he left UNC early like so many other college stars, Hansbrough might not have been able to handle bigger, faster players.

    "He's a lot bigger (than in college)," said former college rival and current teammate Roy Hibbert. "He put on about 20 pounds of muscle, so he's like a tank. He's stronger and more durable."

    "He started out last year at 245 and by the end of the year he was 235," added O'Brien. "He started this year at 245 and he'll probably lose 10 pounds along the way. But he's physically ready to play at this level. He's a very strong guy."

    And that added strength could help turn Hibbert and himself into a formidable low post duo.

    "He's been an extremely effective low post scorer and I'm trying to come into my own in the low post," Hibbert said. "When we're out there we try to hit the boards as much as possible and try to create as many offensive opportunities as we can while we're out there."

    Currently Hibbert is averaging 11.7 ppg compared to Hansbrough's 7.75 ppg. For Hibbert, Hansbrough's acclimation wasn't much of a surprise.

    "I knew what he could do," said the former Hoya. "I played against him in the Elite 8 a couple of years ago. I knew how effective he can be.

    "I think Tyler and I can create damage down low," Hibbert continued. "And on the defensive end I think we can become a good defensive presence – both of us."

    Last season the Pacers yielded nearly 110 points per 100 possessions, but as of Tuesday they ranked 11th overall in the NBA with a defensive efficiency rating of 100.2.

    The improvements are encouraging, but as a rookie Hansbrough still sees opponents that give him fits.

    Maggette is a quick guy," Hansbrough said of the Golden State forward who dropped 21 points on the Pacers. "He's pretty big… (I don't see guys that quick) every night."

    But these are lessons that Hansbrough is sure to learn. The good news is that Hansbrough has the right attitude, patience and desire to improve.

    "He's definitely a hard worker," said Williams. "He competes every play. He'll run through a wall for a rebound."

    "You've got to pay attention," said Hansbrough. "Listen in practice and see what the coach wants."

    Looks like four years of college paid off.
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    I see a lot of potential from Tyler as far as being an excellent team defender. Sure last night he got completely lost on one sequence and allowed an easy layup (I'm sure he was lost more than only once) but I also saw some very good team and individual instincts. he seems to have a pretty good IQ and good instincts for the game
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    I see a lot of potential from Tyler as far as being an excellent team defender. Sure last night he got completely lost on one sequebnce and alowed an easy layup (I'm sure he was lost more than only once) but I also saw some very good team and individual instincts. he seems to have a pretty good IQ and good instincts for the game
    Guys like Danny, Roy, and Tyler have a high basketball IQ, talent, a drive to improve, and a command of the fundamentals. However, the biggest advantage I think they have is that they LISTEN to the coaches when they tell them what they need to improve on.

    That might seem like a little thing but there are a lot of players that come through the league that just will not listen to a coach and then work on those things. I think in some respects it's because they have played 4 years in college. They can take constructive criticism and use it to motivate them rather than pout and brood over it. That's huge - especially for the Pacers.
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    Good article.

    I especially like Roy's comments and how he is envisioning a twosome of he and Tyler doing "damage" down low on both ends of the court.
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    Tyler looked comfortable out there last night, something that couldn't be said for the game in New Jersey.

    Even though it's highly unlikely he's been playing at anywhere near his best, he's still giving us 9 points and nearly 5 boards in just over 16 minutes a game. That's 20 & 10 per-36, for those that like that sort of thing.

    In five games, he's had three of great productivity, one of so-so productivity, and one stinker. Sounds promising to me.

    Hopefully he's still given at least 20 minutes a night even when Murphy returns.
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    I like that he seems to be learning something every outing. He only had 1 foul, he is looking for his teammates a little more readily.

    He pumped faked once, which I think will really be a big step for him and his bread and butter later on, to get all of these eager shot blockers up in the air.

    He's got a long way to go, but he seems to be learning from his mistakes and adjusting. Very encouraging.

    He's not hitting foul shots yet, either at the clip he will as time goes on. Lot's of things to watch with him. He shot 77, 81, 84 % of FTs his last 3 years. He's shooting 63% now.
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    I thought Quinn made a good point. Tyler is a strong jumper when he jumps off two feet. he isn't a good leaper when he jumps off 1 foot and when he is running or movinh, but he can power the ball up if he is in a more stationary position.

    (In fact Quinn made it a lot better than I just did)

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    I thought Quinn made a good point. Tyler is a strong jumper when he jumps off two feet. he isn't a good leaper when he jumps off 1 foot and when he is running or movinh, but he can power the ball up if he is in a more stationary position.

    (In fact Quinn made it a lot better than I just did)
    He is a pretty good jumper off of 2 feet..

    I have seen him to a few reverse dunks along the baseline off of one foot before but that was in his 3rd year of College. I think his extra muscle has weighed him down a little bit and his legs havent caught up to it yet.

    That or he is one of those guys that has always jumped off of two feet and has put fundamentals first which is why alot of his game is textbook.
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    Do you guys think hansbrough will be as muscular as karl malone after some years in the NBA?

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    Do you guys think hansbrough will be as muscular as karl malone after some years in the NBA?
    For many reasons, no.

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    I expect Hans to improve quite a bit from what we see at the moment. He's missing a lot of shots, including free throws, that I think he will start converting. This will happen with more experience and once he gets in game shape. Also, instead of bulking up more, I suspect he will get leaner and become more mobile.

    While he continues to make lots of rookie mistakes, I already see some nice adjustments. He also had a nice block this evening...giving a little bit of that back.

    Like I said from the beginning, his bread and butter should be the mid range game. If he gets in there to scrap, by all means go up strong...and I think he wins...but that should only be used when he crashes the offensive boards. That's the mix that should maximize his potential.

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    I expect Hans to improve quite a bit from what we see at the moment. He's missing a lot of shots, including free throws, that I think he will start converting. This will happen with more experience and once he gets in game shape. Also, instead of bulking up more, I suspect he will get leaner and become more mobile.

    While he continues to make lots of rookie mistakes, I already see some nice adjustments. He also had a nice block this evening...giving a little bit of that back.

    Like I said from the beginning, his bread and butter should be the mid range game. If he gets in there to scrap, by all means go up strong...and I think he wins...but that should only be used when he crashes the offensive boards. That's the mix that should maximize his potential.
    Agreed.. I think his FT% is linked to his rusty jumper. They will come around sooner or later.

    What was he limited to while he was down all that time?

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    Do you guys think hansbrough will be as muscular as karl malone after some years in the NBA?
    He doesn't have quite the frame that Malone has (compare their shoulder width) so I'd doubt it. I think adding that much muscle might hinder some parts of his game, mainly when it comes to movement.

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    Hansbrough did two things against Cleveland last night that really impressed me. The first was a really nice entry pass to Granger in the post. I think that not becoming a black hole is key to his development, so it was really nice to see that he has both the inclination and ability to make good passes from the high post. It's also nice to think that he's in an offense that encourages this and has a couple very good passing big men to learn from in Troy and Roy.

    The second thing was the block. It showed some instincts and athleticism we hadn't quite seen on the defensive end yet.

    There were also plenty of times that he looked bad during this game.
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    Do you guys think hansbrough will be as muscular as karl malone after some years in the NBA?
    This Karl Malone? http://www.uship.com/SHIPHAPPENS/pho.../original.aspx

    No.

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