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    Jennings is just stunning to watch when he has it going. Wow.

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    Speaking of rookies, has anyone been watching the Bobcats beyond highlights & box scores? One wonders about the implications that the Jax acquisition has on the team's early evaluation of Gerald Henderson. (Maybe they're thinking in seasonal stop-gap terms, but good luck trading Jax again.)

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    Speaking of rookies, has anyone been watching the Bobcats beyond highlights & box scores? One wonders about the implications that the Jax acquisition has on the team's early evaluation of Gerald Henderson. (Maybe they're thinking in seasonal stop-gap terms, but good luck trading Jax again.)
    Larry Brown hates rookies. Always has.

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    Jennings is just stunning to watch when he has it going. Wow.
    It just sucks that the Bucks drafted him and he's gonna pull them up in the Central. Not only that they still have Redd who has yet to play.

    Based on how Jennings is playing, he is definitly worthy of being a 2nd pick.

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    Going to OT there in MIL, looks like.
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    I. Love. Brandon. Jennings.

    I don't like when Skiles plays him together with Ridnour, though. It takes the ball out of Brandon's hands on some situations. However, this might not be the norm and Skiles could just be adjusting to Carlisle playing Barea/Kidd/Terry.

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    I wish we could go back and bump the old Brandon Jennings threads.
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    if we do find the Jennings threads, anything that can be found as me having said Jennings was over rated is nothing but lies lies and more lies..

    I never really said that, I just compared him to Brooks...


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    For those that have seen Jennings play....... Is he essentially dominating the ball? How well is at getting teammates involved? Or is more AI then Steve Nash?
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    For those that have seen Jennings play....... Is he essentially dominating the ball? How well is at getting teammates involved? Or is more AI then Steve Nash?
    Looked to be more AI to me....not a distributor, definitely a scorer. Lots of threes, lots of drives down the middle with a floater going in, and/or the foul. He did pass the ball, but generally there were better results when he kept it.

    I've see all of one game of his, should be said. Speedy little guy...fast and quick. Lots of cuts to get free worthy of Reggie or Rip.

    If he doesn't end up too full of himself, or even if he does, he's going to be a load to face.

    Now that I see his line for the night...8 assists. So he is dishing it, but his scoring threat jumps out at you.
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    Brandon Jennings is my favorite non-Pacer rookie ever.

    HUGE fan of his. And he seems like a real kid too, pretty down to earth guy.

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    I turned to the Memphis game looking to catch a glimpse of Tinsley and I don't think I've ever seen so many empty seats.

    I think 4,000 might even be a stretch. So sad...

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    I turned to the Memphis game looking to catch a glimpse of Tinsley and I don't think I've ever seen so many empty seats.

    I think 4,000 might even be a stretch. So sad...
    I saw a few highlights that showed tonf of emply seats right behind the benches. I usually figure those are sold seats no one is sitting in either because they didn't show, or if it at the beginning of the game or just after halftime maybe the fans just haven't made it to their seats yet

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    Ouch... that does suck for the Griz and there fans..

    Random Q, being to lazy to check, can somone let me know the deal with the Knicks Draft pick for next year, I think the Jazz or some one own it, is it lottery protected ?


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    Big games back for some sidelined stars:

    Antawn Jamison has 31 pts and 10 boards in a win over the Cavs
    Rashard Lewis nets 17 pts and nearly misses the triple-double with 10 boards and 9 assists

    My prediction: Despite the ****ty start, the Wizards will be contending for a playoff spot come April (that is, unless they lock one up earlier)

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    down 20 in Portland, Pistons cut it to 1 using a new press lineup. Hopefully that catches on.

    We're this freaking close to being a very good team. Just gotta find that extra punch to make up the difference.

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    down 20 in Portland, Pistons cut it to 1 using a new press lineup. Hopefully that catches on.

    We're this freaking close to being a very good team. Just gotta find that extra punch to make up the difference.
    I think they need Troy Murphy ..............

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    Can you tell a significant difference between attendance at the Fieldhouse and attendance at wherever the Grizz play?

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    Can you tell a significant difference between attendance at the Fieldhouse and attendance at wherever the Grizz play?
    Yes. Pacers attendance might not be that great, but it's not anywhere near as bad as in Memphis.

    You can kind of tell in this picture and this was taken in the second half.


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    Knicks on verge of signing Iverson

    November 18, 2009 By ALAN HAHN

    INDIANAPOLIS - Allen Iverson has told associates he is prepared to come to New York and resuscitate not only his Hall of Fame career but also a desperate franchise trying to pacify its frustrated fans as it bridges the gap to 2010.

    Though no decision has been officially made by the Knicks, indications are that the Iverson Era - however brief it may be - could begin as early as Thursday night after the 34-year-old former MVP clears waivers at 6 p.m. It may all hinge on how both sides come out of a conversation that is expected to take place Thursday.

    "We wouldn't be considering it if we thought we were functioning well and we're not," Walsh said of the Knicks, who went into last night's game against the Pacers with a 1-9 record. "And I want to make sure if we do something like this it's the right thing to do."

    Walsh said if the Knicks, who like Newsday are owned by Cablevision, do offer Iverson a contract - likely the $1.4 million veteran's minimum - it will be done immediately after he clears waivers.

    Walsh spent his day back home in Indianapolis on the phone getting advice from several resources, including Larry Brown, who coached Iverson in Philadelphia and recently revealed that the Bobcats made an offer for Iverson in September. But Iverson chose to take the higher offer from the Memphis Grizzlies. Brown said Charlotte, with its glut at guard, wouldn't have a spot for Iverson at this point.

    Mike D'Antoni seems comfortable with signing Iverson, who comes with loads of talent and baggage (not to mention a sizable entourage that can't wait to see him return to the Northeast). Walsh and D'Antoni still want to talk first with Iverson, who may have to be allowed his own set of rules, especially regarding practice.

    Walsh said if D'Antoni wasn't on board, "I won't do it . . . I'm not going to force anybody on the coach." It would be an about-face by D'Antoni, who last summer was against signing Iverson as a free agent. "We know exactly who Allen Iverson is and he brings a lot of very positive things to the table," D'Antoni said. "We'll see if the organization is going to change directions because it's a change of direction, there's no doubt about it."

    But Walsh said Iverson's arrival wouldn't signal the end to any development plans for the team's young players, such as Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Jordan Hill.

    "I think the young players can benefit, if they're not getting it done the way they are, maybe they could benefit by having a guy that can show them how to get it done," Walsh said. "This would be a move to make it better for the young players to learn."

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    Why does Gerald Wallace constantly feel the need to show off his mouth guard?

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    Getting a little old watching us play extremely well on the road out west and see us losing in the last minute or two.

    We're outworking the **** out of teams on a nightly basis. Usually you expect to get rewarded for that. So far, we haven't.

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    Getting a little old watching us play extremely well on the road out west and see us losing in the last minute or two.

    We're outworking the **** out of teams on a nightly basis. Usually you expect to get rewarded for that. So far, we haven't.
    True. The Pistons will be rewarded with some close wins going on, I think.

    Unfortunately, I can't say the same about the Celtics. They're playing very uninspiring ball right now and not outworking anybody, not even the ballboys.

    Chris Sheridan's diagnosis:
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    Originally Published: November 22, 2009

    NEW YORK -- I am not a Celtics fan, which put me in the minority Sunday afternoon at Madison Square Garden (where the loudest cheers were for, in order: Kevin Garnett's game-winning shot, Will Ferrell's appearance on the video board, the Knicks' gritty effort).

    But all those folks cheering for Boston (there were so many of them they could have nicknamed MSG "The Greenhouse" instead of "The Mecca of Basketball") had to have walked away with as much frustration as enthusiasm after watching the Celtics squeak past the New York Knicks 107-105 in overtime.

    The victory was a relief for the Celtics more than a cause for celebration, a win that excused them from having to explain why they've dropped so precipitously (losing three of four before this one) after looking like world-beaters through the first couple of weeks of the season.

    We're now 14 games into the season, and there are at least five things that clearly should be of concern to Celtics Nation -- all of which were glaringly obvious Sunday.

    Kevin Garnett is still hurting.

    Midway through overtime with Boston ahead 105-103, the Celtics ran an out-of-bounds play with one second left on the shot clock on which they threw an alley-oop lob to Garnett at the rim. The play was executed perfectly, but Garnett couldn't get up high enough for the stuff -- something that has happened numerous times this season. On defense, the Knicks repeatedly isolated Al Harrington one-on-one on the perimeter against Garnett, and Harrington repeatedly got around him with ease. The game-winning shot at the end of overtime did get Garnett into double figures in the point column with 10, but he shot 4-for-15 overall.

    Rasheed Wallace is playing horribly.

    Sheed jacked up six shots Sunday, missing them all, went 0-for-3 from 3-point range and picked up his league-leading fifth technical foul. Coach Doc Rivers yanked him with 7:46 left in the fourth quarter and didn't re-insert him until 9.3 seconds remained in overtime. Wallace has now attempted 128 shots this season, an astounding 81 of which have come from behind the arc. He's shooting 36 percent overall, but just .271 from behind the arc, ranking him 183rd league-wide in 3-point accuracy. Only Trevor Ariza (99), Danny Granger (88), Peja Stojakovic (86), Danilo Gallinari (84) and Channing Frye (83) have attempted more.

    Rajon Rondo's flaws can be quite stark.

    For instance, there was the time at the end of regulation, with the score tied at 98, when the Celtics came out of a timeout with 4.7 seconds left with a play drawn up to get the ball into Pierce's hands. But the Knicks blocked Pierce from getting open, and Rondo took the inbounds pass and stood absolutely still for nearly three full seconds before dribbling to the 3-point line and firing up a shot that appeared as though it would have been waved off (for leaving his hand too late) had it gone in. Rondo also made a change to his free throw-shooting routine that he declined to explain afterward, making a pronounced backward jerk with his right shoulder before releasing the ball. It worked on his first two FTs, but he missed four of his next six attempts. His FT percentage for the season is .333 (8-for-24).

    For a team with so many big guys, they sure don't rebound much.

    Boston grabbed 11 offensive boards Sunday, which is actually 1.1 more than the Celtics had been averaging coming into this game, when they were ranked 29th, ahead of only the Cleveland Cavaliers. Boston also began the day ranked 24th in second-chance points; another stat that would be getting a lot more attention if the Celtics weren't ranked first in the NBA in field goal percentage and assists. Wallace has grabbed only 11 offensive boards all season, eight fewer than Shelden Williams and nine fewer than Rondo. (And if we take a broader look around, we can include Jon Brockman, Nathan Jawai, Damien Wilkins and Jonas Jerebko among the players with more total offensive rebounds than Wallace.)

    Ray Allen is getting no respect.

    Never mind that he bricked 5 of 6 3-point attempts, dropping his percentage from behind the arc to 30.3 percent. The refs dissed him even harder late in regulation when, with Boston ahead 98-96 and trying to run down the clock, Allen had the ball in the corner as a double-team came at him. With Wilson Chandler clearly grabbing his jersey to keep Allen from driving around him, Allen was called for an offensive foul. The Knicks then tied the game on the ensuing possession to help send the game to overtime.

    The players aren't listening to Doc Rivers.

    OK, this one is a bit of a stretch, but it was true during the Celtics' final timeout of overtime when Rivers drew up a play. "I drew up the play, and Paul [Pierce] came to me and said 'Let's not run that play.' He said 'We were going to run that other play before, let's run [a different play] because if I can get the floor flat, I'm going to get to the basket or Kevin is going to get a shot,'" Rivers said. "Sometimes a coach is a good listener, and that time I was. Honestly, Paul called that. I had a completely different play."

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    Checking his 5 reasons:

    Kevin Garnett is still hurting. - True, but that lob pass wasn't executed perfectly and he's finished lots of alley-oops this season. His leaping ability and explosiveness are the least of my concerns (that has a residual impact on his game), the problem is that he's playing too stiff and not as low as he used to and lacks stamina (he starts the halves strongly but ends games pretty poorly). I remember writing in the pre-season after a game with the Knicks that I was worried to see Harrington taking him off the dribble; it was happening again last night, as Sheridan notes. Too early to tell if he only needs time to get his legs back or not. Even more worrying, he still improves our defence quite a bit.

    Rasheed Wallace is playing horribly. - Meh, he's shooting horribly, but so are all the shooters. He's taking too many 3s, but, in all fairness, he's open every single time he takes one. As I predicted his good rebounding games earlier in the year were a fluke and he's only good defending the low post (he did a great job vs. Orlando and Cleveland there though). If he starts hitting 3 pointers at his normal rate, he'll be pretty much what I was expecting (I was strongly in favour of signing McDyess and not Wallace though).

    Rajon Rondo's flaws can be quite stark. - True, but he chose the wrong examples to illustrate the point. The FT shooting - he adopted a new motion and Mark Price said the results will only appear in a few months. Ainge used the "it's like a new swing in golf" analogy. If he isn't showing improvements on a few months, I hope he goes back to his old motion before the play-offs. That last possession play was broken, he kept looking for a passing lane and then took the jumper, no big deal.

    What he should have mentioned: his lack of aggressiveness as the ball-handler, especially on the open-court; his inconsistent defence; and his passiveness playing off-the-ball.

    For a team with so many big guys, they sure don't rebound much. - True, but the biggest problem isn't in the big guys (Wallace is a problem but he was never better than a mediocre rebounder at his peak, let alone now); the guards are allowing dribble penetration too much, forcing the bigs to get out of position and then not boxing out or rebounding their area. Then comes a widespread lack of hustle and work in the boards.

    Ray Allen is getting no respect. - That call was ridiculous, but it was a make-up call. The refs missed Garnett fouling Chandler in the previous play (trip); they probably understood by the reaction of the crowd, bench and players that they screwed up big time, so they made up for it in the next play. If it was some other player handling the ball, they'd still call the offensive foul. Ray Allen is in a shooting-slump, I don't think he's not being respected by the refs.

    The players aren't listening to Doc Rivers. - This isnt' a big of a stretch, rather complete nonsense. If he had been paying more attention, he'd know that the situation he describes is very common - Doc frequently allows one of the Big 3 to call the play after the time-out (apparently with very good results, as they seem to work 100% of the time - I suspect that Doc "forgets" to tell the press that one of the players called it, and not him, when the play doesn't work). This is an old Celtics tradition, btw, I remember hearing and reading guys like Tommy, Nelson, Embry, Sharman, etc. that one of the reasons that so many former Auerbach players ended up being coaches/executives was because he'd often ask for their input and allow them to draw and call plays in practices and games.

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