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    Default If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

    Apparently, we have about $3.4mm left on our MLE we could use to sign a free agent.

    If Jack is a Raptor next week, I certainly think we'll use if it there's someone we like out there who will take it.

    The question is, who?

    At 3.4 million, here's how the money would break down assuming 8% raises:

    $3,400,000 (1 year, $3,400,000 contract) [$3.4/1y]
    $3,672,000 (2 year, $7,072,000 contract) [$7.1/2y]
    $3,965,760 (3 year, $11,037,760 contract) [$11/3y]
    $4,283,020 (4 year, $15,320,780 contract) [$15.3/4y]
    $4,625,662 (5 year, $19,946,442 contract) [$19.9/5y]

    Thoughts?

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    Default Re: If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

    I don't see a lot of attractive options, to make a long story short.

    The most realistic option is probably C.J. Watson. He can score like Jack and is probably as close to distributing as well as him, but I imagine his defense isn't as good and he probably turns it over slightly more.

    Some will suggest Ray Felton but I really think he'll end up going way above what we're willing to pay.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Ford/Deiner/Price is our rotation next year, which isn't great but I'm interested to see how good Price is.

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    Default Re: If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

    We can't package it right?
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    We can't package it right?
    Define packaging the MLE?

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    Also, unless there's a bargain to be had, I'm not sure I want them to spend this on another PG who won't be any better than Jack, and quite possibly worse.

    I'd rather look at one of the other positions.

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    Also, unless there's a bargain to be had, I'm not sure I want them to spend this on another PG who won't be any better than Jack, and quite possibly worse.

    I'd rather look at one of the other positions.
    Is there a point in spending the MLE as opposed to just saving the money? I would try to possibly get Felton for cheap, but that probably isn't realistic. To me, with what is left, and with the salary cap being down next year again, I would just as well eat the money and fill the roster with fillers. No sense in spending money just because you have it.

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    I think the Pacers are going to go into this season basically with the roster they have now. Anyone else they sign will probably be a training camp invitee and will just sit on the bench most of next season.

    It looks like the Pacers are leaning towards keeping Price. If so, there's no reason to go after another PG. There's no one left out there that we could afford that would be significantly better than Price or Diener.

    The Pacers will probably re-sign Graham as a deep bench wing player. I'm guessing Granger, Rush, and Jones will carry the bulk of minutes at the wing positions until Dunleavy comes back.

    I don't see the Pacers signing another big man unless it's to be the 15th man. Signing a rotation big man will only take minutes away from Hansbrough and McRoberts.
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    Define packaging the MLE?
    we couldn't package it along with tj ford so to speak, for somebody in a s&t. Right?
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    Is there a point in spending the MLE as opposed to just saving the money? I would try to possibly get Felton for cheap, but that probably isn't realistic. To me, with what is left, and with the salary cap being down next year again, I would just as well eat the money and fill the roster with fillers. No sense in spending money just because you have it.
    I need to look again at who is out there. It may makes the most sense to just save the money.

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    Default Re: If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

    The MLE cannot be packaged with anything.

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    we couldn't package it along with tj ford so to speak, for somebody in a s&t. Right?
    I'm 99% certain that you cannot do that.

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    The Pacers can try to obtain a Disable Player Exception due to Dunleavy's injury. The league isn't usually very generous approving this kind of exceptions though, so this is more of a theoretical scenario.

    I argued in another thread the Pacers should just save that money.

    - Felton's QO for the next season is $5.5M. I think he'd rather play on it than sign this kind of contract.
    - The Bucks would immediately match a $20M/5 years contract for Sessions (although I think they don't see him as their pg of the future).
    - I don't think anyone else out there, especially guards, is worth this kind of money. And if a guy doesn't deserve this kind of money, how much better he is than Travis Diener?
    - Among non-guards, I don't see anyone really interesting either; especially when Indiana has already signed Jones and has plenty of bigs. I mean, Marquis Daniels, Keith Bogans, Chris Wilcox... will any of them really make a difference?
    - I think the Pacers should fill the roster spot with a low risk/high reward signing, an unproven youngster who's looking for a chance and is willing to fight for a spot in the training camp and, if successful, sign an unguaranteed contract.

    - Keeping this room under the luxury tax threshold, will help the Pacers next off-season, especially if the overly pessimistic predictions announced this week by the league prove to be true (I doubt it).

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    Default Re: If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

    I think its worth a shot to offer Felton part of the mle. Doubtful he'd take it. I'd much rather look for a s&t involving Foster/pick for Andre Miller.
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    I think its worth a shot to offer Felton part of the mle. Doubtful he'd take it. I'd much rather look for a s&t involving Foster/pick for Andre Miller.
    I really like Jeff a lot...but it may just be time to pull that trigger. Package TJ and Jeff and go after an upgrade at the position.

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    Default Re: If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

    Here's the list:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeagents-09-10

    Brian Skinner might make a nice 1-2 year rental. He can block shots.

    Same with Theo Ratliff.

    *note* I wouldn't give either of them the rest of our MLE.

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    I really like Jeff a lot...but it may just be time to pull that trigger. Package TJ and Jeff and go after an upgrade at the position.
    Sounds great in theory. Now how many teams out there, with the salary cap situation, are going to be too interested in taking on two guys who are precieved to be overpayed? Good luck finding a suitor there.

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    Here's the list:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeagents-09-10

    Brian Skinner might make a nice 1-2 year rental. He can block shots.

    Same with Theo Ratliff.

    *note* I wouldn't give either of them the rest of our MLE.

    I have actually wondered about Theo. Might be interesting to have him at the same practices with Roy. Hes a pretty solid guy to have on the roster.

    Vet minimum.

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    Default Re: If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

    If Jack is gone, don't be surprised if (although I don't think it's particularly likely) you hear something about Daniels being resigned.

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    If Jack is gone, don't be surprised if (although I don't think it's particularly likely) you hear something about Daniels being resigned.
    I don't see it. I think the Pacers signed a cheaper replacement in Dahntay Jones.

    If they did re-sign Daniels, We'd have Granger, Rush, Jones, Daniels, and eventually Dunleavy at the wing spots. Too many guys that need minutes and not enough to go around.
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    Default Re: If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

    Nobody. There's nobody out there who'd get minutes on our roster... why waste the money? We don't need another big, we don't need another wing, we don't need another point.

    We should stick with what we have, unless we're S&Ting. TJ for Felton? TJ for Andre Miller?
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    Default Re: If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

    brevin knight?
    jaques vaughn?
    kevin ollie?

    nothing great out there, especially no PG that can play D.

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    Default Re: If Jack's a Raptor, who can we go get with the rest of the MLE?

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    I don't see it. I think the Pacers signed a cheaper replacement in Dahntay Jones.

    If they did re-sign Daniels, We'd have Granger, Rush, Jones, Daniels, and eventually Dunleavy at the wing spots. Too many guys that need minutes and not enough to go around.
    Not the point. Having only 3 players that can play the wing while HOPING that dunleavy can return and be effective sometime after the end of the year is pretty flawed. There aren't any PGs you are going to grab with that little bit of money that is going to do for the team what Daniels can as a wing. Besides, when Dunleavy DOES get back, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Jones *playing* point on D with Dunleavy playing a point forward role. Limited really in what you can do with it, but it's a definite possibility and imo one they may consider.

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    Nobody. There's nobody out there who'd get minutes on our roster... why waste the money? We don't need another big, we don't need another wing, we don't need another point.

    We should stick with what we have, unless we're S&Ting. TJ for Felton? TJ for Andre Miller?
    We have 3 healthy wings. You think that Jones is a player that you want to see out there for 30 minutes a game? His role sits at a 16-20 mpg defensive specialist.

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    Not the point. Having only 3 players that can play the wing while HOPING that dunleavy can return and be effective sometime after the end of the year is pretty flawed. There aren't any PGs you are going to grab with that little bit of money that is going to do for the team what Daniels can as a wing. Besides, when Dunleavy DOES get back, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Jones *playing* point on D with Dunleavy playing a point forward role. Limited really in what you can do with it, but it's a definite possibility and imo one they may consider.
    I doubt the Pacers would merely go with Rush, Granger, and Jones while waiting on Dunleavy to come back. Instead of signing Daniels, I'm sure they'd re-sign Graham. He's cheaper and he'd be more willing to ride the pine when Dunleavy got back.

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    We have 3 healthy wings. You think that Jones is a player that you want to see out there for 30 minutes a game? His role sits at a 16-20 mpg defensive specialist.
    If he plays 16 that leaves 40 each for Rush and Granger. Probably a tad heavy, but Jones probably plays a few more til Dunleavy returns.

    That being said, I think they will bring in another wing. Very well could be Daniels, if the price is right-as in someone around 2 million for one year and team option for the 2nd.

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