Is it outrageous? I dont think myself or Count or others are saying that. But given all circumstances-which you seem to want to somewhat disregard in the discussion(and you simply cant do that as its the basis for the whole discussion)-we simply cannot afford to even overpay for Jack. We have too many other bad contracts where people are overpaid. Now is that fair? Probably not. Would we prefer to overpay Jack versus others? Absolutely. But thats almost the Isiah Thomas approach and unfortunately Dolan doesnt own the Pacers.
We are basically in a position that we have to find almost steals from a contract standpoint. At least till we rid ourselves of some of the contracts that Ford, Dunleavy, Murphy and Tinsley possess. Thats why you can clearly see the direction is to add guys on their rookie contracts and very inexpensive guys while hopefully, slowly but surely, ridding ourselves of the undesirable contracts.
On a sidenote that you asked about Jack becoming untradeable at a MLE contract level. I would say dangerously close. Especially if he goes to Toronto. Again, in this day and age, a backup getting full MLE money is quickly becoming a thing of the past. In past years, it wasnt as big of a problem, but the financial outlook of the NBA is changing quickly. And its not likely that the guys on the top end wont continue to get paid big bucks, which means something has to give and thats gonna be towards the middle-because the bottom end doesnt change either. In fact it continues to rise slowly. So the guys in the middle will get pinched.
Colangelo is just trying things. . . .He already flopped twice since he's been in Toronto, Signing Jack is just something to do. Personally, I think If Jack was smart he wouldn't go to Toronto, they really have nothing going on over there, sure Colangelo's business moves are good, but the players he's picking up, is whatever.
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I think some people are hearing Jack got signed for the full MLE... and the draw the conclusion that since we used part of our MLE already (on Jones), we can't match Jack's offer...
Not true... our MLE has nothing to do with re-signing your own players you have qualifying offers on...
Soo signing outside players with our MLE and re-signing Jack has nothing to deal with each other.... BESIDES that we would stay below the luxury tax at the end of the day...
"George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears
so,the only possible way for jack to come back is if we match that 5.8 million....like he cant decide if he wants to come back to us for less or waht?
If we match Jack's offer, we'll almost certainly be filling out the roster by making vet. minimum signings or a 1-for-2 trade.
Probably because they saw him as a short time fix. I hoped he would be retained because I doubt that Ford can go for long periods without further injuries.
Jack isn't worth this. Colangelo is probably thinking about playing him along Calderon for 10/20 minutes per night, in order to justify this contract. Huge mistake, IMO.
The Pacers should let him go and simply save the salary room:
- they don't have money to sign Felton (who I used to dislike but grew on me last season) or Sessions (who also improved last season but is still not exactly a PG and defends terribly).
- asking for a DPE because of Dunleavy is a far fetched scenario and probably the DPE wouldn't be enough to grab one of those two anyway
- Among the UFA, I don't think there's one who's clearly much better than Diener. I don't think there are many guys much better than Price as 3rd string PGs either.
- leaving space under the lux tax threshold may prove to be very valuable for the Pacers next off-season. They won't be under pressure to make roster moves just to push the salary roll down.
Could it possibly be bad wording on Aldridge's part? As in, they regained the MLE and used part of it on Jack.
So it's worse than I even realized.
That would make the numbers:
Total: 4 years, $26,378,779 which is approximately $26.4 million. Average of $6,594,694 per year or approximately $6.6mm.
I think Felton could be had, but he will command 5+ mil a year too. The issue becomes if MJ or LB decide to go with Augustin and send Felton to Indy in a S&T. They'd need a veteran backup. We could do a deal like:
Foster + pick/??? for signed and traded Felton?
Well since you cant use the mle on him i just did the match on a calculator, and we started with 8 mil., subtract 2.7 mil. from that for jones, and we only have 5.3 mil. to spend on jack and mcroberts so im pretty sure we dont even have enuf for him...tell me if im wrong.
I highly doubt they'd match the offer for Jack b/c it'll put the handcuffs on us financially (Luxurary tax wise, and being able to do trade/ fill out roster) this and next year, unless we would be able to make a trade to shed salary or get very lucky in the Tinsley arbitration ruling (ala they rule that Tinsley has to take a buyout in the form McDyess took with Denver this past season, which took him off their books)...
"George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears
Unless Aldridge didn't really mean the full MLE,
Actually he can choose to come back for less. If he chooses that course, then he doesnt sign the offer sheet. But if he signs the offer sheet, he's saying the only way Ill play for the Pacers is if they pay me the same as Toronto.
You hate to see him go, but thats business sometimes. We loved having him here, and if not for us and the opportunity he got with us, then he almost assuredly doesnt get this deal.
Since we only rented jack for a season I hope that Rush has a better career than Bayless since that trade is now one for one.
Better yet, Tinsley instead of Foster. Though with the BYC implications the deal would have to grow in order to work.
Im not sure if something like Tinsley and Foster for Nazr and a S&T Felton would work. Should be close.
Of course Jeff would probably kill us.
Don't forget Diogu versus Mac.
Regardless, it was worth it unless Rush bombs and Bayless doesn't. Even a one year rental of Jack was significant for helping turn things around here. I don't regret having him here for a season one bit.