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    Save some money and the Warriors could be yours in the next two years ( subject to conditions )

    Cohan Puts Warriors Up For Sale

    Jul 09, 2009 11:31 AM EST


    Chris Cohan, owner of the Golden State Warriors, is interested in selling the franchise, according to sources.
    The unconnected sources confirmed Cohan was in negotiations with Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison recently. But Cohan and Ellison’s group couldn’t reach an agreement. Cohan is “still interested” in selling the team. One source said “he is tired of losing” and another said he is “looking to cash out.”


    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/2/



    By Marcus Thompson
    Wednesday, July 8th, 2009 at 2:25 pm in Uncategorized.
    UPDATE: I forgot to add the Amare trade is still possible. A team source said the reports of the deal overstated how close the sides were, meaning no deal was ever official, also meaning the Warriors never reneged on sending the No. 7. But I am told the deal is still possible. Yes, Curry is still off the table.
    My guess is it will happen, if at all, towards the end of this month, maybe even August. Phoenix will realize this is the best offer it can get.
    I have learned from a few of sources that owner Chris Cohan IS INDEED interested in selling the franchise, which TK first reported on Friday.
    The unconnected sources confirmed Cohan was in negotiations with Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison recently. But Cohan and Ellison’s group couldn’t reach an agreement. Cohan is “still interested” in selling the team. One source said “he is tired of losing” and another said he is “looking to cash out.”

    But he isn’t desperate. According to one of the sources, potential suitors have tried to buy the Warriors at a deal price, trying to take advantage of the Warriors cellar-status, Cohan’s reported money problems and the spiraling economy. One would think Cohan would be eager to strike a deal now, since many expect the economy to hit the NBA harder in the immediate future.
    But Cohan isn’t just giving away the team, according to a source.
    “If he gets the right offer,” one source said, “I think he would sell the team right now. But he’s not giving it away for pennies.”
    Cohan’s interest is only the start of the process, which can take a while. If other potential suitors emerge — the minority owners could pull together and buyout Cohan — and an agreement is reached, the paper work alone would probably prevent the transition from happening before the coming season ends. The NBA would have to approve any sale.
    Certainly, Cohan’s desire to sell the team will have an impact on the product, even if it’s just the possibility of major change looming over the franchise. It may make the Warriors more willing to take risks, to speed up the renovation and make this team a winner as fast as possible (a winning team sells better than a losing one). It may put the Warriors in cost-cutting mode (no use dumping money into something you are trying to get rid of). It will likely make for some nervous employees, considering a new owner likely means new brain trust.






    Rowell: "The Warriors Are Not For Sale"

    Jul 11, 2009 9:45 AM EST

    Warriors president Robert Rowell is denying a report that majority owner Chris Cohan is looking to sell the team.
    "The team is not for sale," said Rowell on Friday. "I do not know how I can be any clearer than that."
    The initial report claimed that Cohan has had negotiations with Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison and is seeking other suitors for the club.
    "There has not been an offer and there has not been an ask," Rowell said. "There is not a sports team in the Bay Area that does not have discussions about the future and what is going to happen, but it is speculative to report that something could happen in one or two years.
    "Anything could or could not happen in the next two years.


    I Guess I could have said 10 Mil 100 Mil, but the reality is no one here has one mil to spare to buy a team so it was just made in jest

    not that matters, update the team is not for sale
    Last edited by GO!!!!!; 07-12-2009, 03:32 AM.
    Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...
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    Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

    It's another misleading headline from RealGM, as Cohan has yet to officially put the team up for sale.

    But I sincerely hope it comes to fruition.

    Chris Cohan selling the team to Larry Ellison would be the best thing to happen to the franchise since they won the championship back in 1975. Every Warrior fan on the face of the planet is praying it happens.

    We'd be swapping out an incompetent owner who doesn't care for a billionaire who is ruthlessly obsessive about winning. Make it happen, Cohan. Sell, sell, sell.
    Last edited by d_c; 07-09-2009, 07:57 PM.

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      Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

      Originally posted by d_c View Post
      It's another misleading headline from RealGM, as Cohan has yet to officially put the team up for sale.
      Yeah b/c the original article that RealGM drew it from was:
      Cohan is “Interested in Selling This Team”
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      • #4
        Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

        I guess he is effectively asking for expressions of interest.

        Apart from that crazy signing of Maggette last year I think this team does have potential, to bad it’s stuck in the West
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          Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

          Originally posted by GO!!!!! View Post
          I guess he is effectively asking for expressions of interest.

          Apart from that crazy signing of Maggette last year I think this team does have potential, to bad it’s stuck in the West
          There is plenty of potential. It's the youngest roster in the league, the 4th largest media market in the country and a rabid fanbase.

          What's missing is a good owner who is committed to winning. The Warriors would be a great investment for Ellison and I hope me makes it happen.

          I'm just hoping someone else besides Chris Cohan becomes owner of the team. The man is essentially Donald Sterling, just without nearly the amount of bad press. He's gotten a pass for far too long from the national media and he needs to go.

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          • #6
            Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

            Who cares there the Warriors. Unless someone changes their name they will always be the Warriors which means years and years of demise.
            JOB is a silly man

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              Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

              Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
              Who cares there the Warriors. Unless someone changes their name they will always be the Warriors which means years and years of demise.
              That's like saying the Clippers are the Clippers because of the name. They're the Clippers because Donald Sterling is a horrible owner. The only reason you may not recognize that is because the Pacers have had solid ownership over the years, so you don't know the effect of bad ownership. There are plenty of examples in the history of sport that show how bad ownership can drive a team into the ground.

              Chris Cohan is on the level of Donald Sterling. Most people don't recognize this because he is ultra reclusive, and the Warriors aren't in LA and don't have a first class organization in the same town that makes them look bad.

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                Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

                Originally posted by GO!!!!! View Post
                Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours.
                Jackson plays there - huh ??

                I'll pass, but thanks for the offer.

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                  Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

                  Originally posted by d_c View Post
                  That's like saying the Clippers are the Clippers because of the name. They're the Clippers because Donald Sterling is a horrible owner. The only reason you may not recognize that is because the Pacers have had solid ownership over the years, so you don't know the effect of bad ownership. There are plenty of examples in the history of sport that show how bad ownership can drive a team into the ground.

                  Chris Cohan is on the level of Donald Sterling. Most people don't recognize this because he is ultra reclusive, and the Warriors aren't in LA and don't have a first class organization in the same town that makes them look bad.
                  I know you are a Warriors supporter but Sterling and Cohen are two seperate types of owners. Sterling until recently never opened his checkbook. Cohen is just stupid and hires the wrong people to run his organization. I will say the big difference between GS and Indiana is at least GS shows up in force no matter how bad the team is while Indiana;s seem to struggle in that arena.
                  JOB is a silly man

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                  • #10
                    Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

                    Yes, I would like to buy the Warriors.

                    First act as new owner: Fire Don Nelson.

                    Second act: Hire John Kuester

                    Third act: Somehow trade Stephen Jackson, etc to Phoenix for Amare.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

                      Yes, I will gladly pay a million dollars to buy the franchise. In fact, I'd write a good check for that much to buy the franchise in a heartbeat. However, I would guess it would take several million dollars to get the job done.

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                        Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

                        Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                        Yes, I would like to buy the Warriors.

                        First act as new owner: Fire Don Nelson.

                        Second act: Hire John Kuester

                        Third act: Somehow trade Stephen Jackson, etc to Phoenix for Amare.
                        It's absolutely criminal that you'd fire Don Nelson and completely leave firing Robert Rowell off that list.

                        Also, Steve Kerr is dumb, but not that dumb.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

                          Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
                          I know you are a Warriors supporter but Sterling and Cohen are two seperate types of owners. Sterling until recently never opened his checkbook. Cohen is just stupid and hires the wrong people to run his organization. I will say the big difference between GS and Indiana is at least GS shows up in force no matter how bad the team is while Indiana;s seem to struggle in that arena.
                          Cohan and Sterling are two different types of owners who get the same sorry results. They both have extremely low winning %s and scarce playoff appearances. Their styles may vary, but at the end of the day you wind up with the same results; and they aren't good.

                          GS has outstanding fan support. It's more of a pro sports area, as nobody really pays a lot of attention to college or HS hoops. Any pro team that was going to settle in Indiana was going to have to compete with the tradition that is college and HS hoops in the state. The Pacers have done an outstanding job of establishing themselves under the circumstances, but fans there will always have other avenues to get their basketball fix in if they ever get disenchanted with the NBA.

                          I'd point to the NBA franchises in Charlotte that have had a hard time gathering a following in a state that's rich in basketball tradition. People automatically assume a basketball state like North Carolina would be all over an NBA team, but truth is those fans are always going to be about ACC basketball first and foremost. It's hard to establish a fanbase when fans are already so entrenched in the traditions they've always followed.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

                            So I still fail to see where the Warriors are on sale for 1M.

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                              Re: Got a Spare Million Dollars, Warriors could be yours

                              Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                              So I still fail to see where the Warriors are on sale for 1M.
                              Yeah, the title of the thread is definitely misleading.

                              Here's what you need to buy the Warriors (assuming that the team is even up for sale): Offer their current owner more money than what Larry Ellison is be willing to pay.

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