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    I think Z-Bo may surprise some people this year. I think he has something to prove, at least that was the impression I got when I saw him about a month ago. But Memphis has some nice young pieces and a starting lineup of:

    Conley, Jaric
    Mayo, Buckner
    Gay, Warrick, Carroll
    Randolph, Arthur
    Thabeet, Gasol, Hadaddi

    Memphis could definitely use a backup point. This opens up space for Griffin in LA with:

    Baron, Taylor
    Gordon, Davis
    Thornton, Richardson
    Griffin, Jordan
    Kaman, Camby

    As far as the trade, you have to look at it from the whole point of view. Memphis traded Gasol for 2 first round picks, Brown and Javaris. They also signed Darko outright, who was later traded for Richardson. Plus, Javaris was later traded to Washington into what amounted as a future first round pick for Memphis. So the Z-Bo deal boils down to:

    Gasol for 3 first round picks, Z-Bo and cap room in Kwame Brown. Granted the picks are later on, but the Grizzlies need help and can stockpile young talent and let them all grow together.

    And then just shows that anyone can be traded in the NBA regardless of the stigma attached.

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    Zach's getting a bit of a bad rap when people call him a cancer. He's not much of a defender and has holes in his game but he hasn't been any kind of locker room poison or anything.

    I actually started to come around on him early last season. He really thrived in D'Antoni's offense which shocked me - I never thought he'd get up and down the floor. If we'd kept him and Crawford last season we'd have been fighting for a playoff spot, though last year wasn't about that.

    He's straightened up a lot the last 3-4 years.
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    Zach's getting a bit of a bad rap when people call him a cancer. He's not much of a defender and has holes in his game but he hasn't been any kind of locker room poison or anything.

    I actually started to come around on him early last season. He really thrived in D'Antoni's offense which shocked me - I never thought he'd get up and down the floor. If we'd kept him and Crawford last season we'd have been fighting for a playoff spot, though last year wasn't about that.

    He's straightened up a lot the last 3-4 years.
    He got arrested for a DUI and he got suspended for sucker punching a dude. Yep, model citizen!

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    Default Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

    He didn't say he was a model citizen, only that he got along with team mates and played well.

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    Zach's defense will always be suspect, but he can put points on the board and grab some boards for you too.

    I think he has matured a lot over the last few years. He's gone through a lot with various trades, the passing of family members, including his father a few months ago. When I spoke to him about a month ago he seemed to be pretty excited for next season, was working out this summer already and was happy to be back in Indy for the summer.

    Has he made bad decisions in the past, sure. But then again, who hasn't? He's gone places he probably shouldn't have and he has suffered the consequences. But if you put him in the right situation, he can give you 20/10 every night.

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    I also recall during the 2006-2007 season that he went on bereavement leave due to the death of a family member, only to be spotted at a Portland strip club the same night -- bolting without paying a $106 tab.

    That tells me all I need about him and his attitude towards the game.

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    Default Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

    What gets lost in this conversation is that Marc Gasol's fantasy value is getting royally screwed right now. Blargh, another year of Big Z. Oh wait, Shaq's on that team now? and Varejao too.

    :mutter:

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    Memphis is not an attractive destination for NBA ballers, so getting talent like Zach with only 2 years left on his deal is not a bad move. Granted, his D is horrific.

    As to his locker room quality, NBA teams will know far more than the public. Memphis did fine if they think he won't poison their youth.

    And remember, Q doesn't exactly have a sterling rep either.

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    Memphis is not an attractive destination for NBA ballers, so getting talent like Zach with only 2 years left on his deal is not a bad move. Granted, his D is horrific.

    As to his locker room quality, NBA teams will know far more than the public. Memphis did fine if they think he won't poison their youth.

    And remember, Q doesn't exactly have a sterling rep either.
    That, is the million dollar question. That team is full of young guys playing on their rookie contracts. They really don't have any veterans. Z-bo is that veteran. Not the guy I would want tutoring my young players if I'm Memphis.

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    The league's two dumbest GMs teaming up to make a deal. Dunleavy Sr. wins this one.
    Wow I would not say that at all. Wallace yes Dun Sr. as a GM? No. He has always struggled taking on both jobs as a coach and a GM at the same time but has always done fairly well when he only has one responsibility.

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    Wow I would not say that at all. Wallace yes Dun Sr. as a GM? No. He has always struggled taking on both jobs as a coach and a GM at the same time but has always done fairly well when he only has one responsibility.
    Who's worse?

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    Who is worse? He basically got Camby for nothing and all I know as that by him getting rid of ZBo it frees something like 20 million up for them going into 2010. That is a heck of a bargaining chip going into that free agent class especially when your in an attractive city like LA. All I am saying is that as a GM he actually is not bad at all. As a coach he is average. When he takes on both he is below average.

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    Zach's getting a bit of a bad rap when people call him a cancer. He's not much of a defender and has holes in his game but he hasn't been any kind of locker room poison or anything.
    Didn't Portland trade him because they felt it was impossible to change the locker room culture and allow Brandon Roy to become a leader with Randolph around?

    Didn't I see him with his back to Troy Murphy complaining to the ref while Troy nailed a 3 last year?

    I'll admit that he has talent, but he's the last guy I'd want around young players like Mayo and Gay. Both those guys have (minor) character issues - general shadiness and sketchy past for Mayo, and a history of lackadaisicality for Gay - that could easily be exacerbated by being around Randolph.

    This trade is an absolute home run for the Clippers. The Griz are going to pay Randolph's salary so they can pick 10th instead of 2nd next season.
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    It gets better, apparently Iverson is interested in signing with the Grizzles.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ing_grizzlies/


    Allen Iverson has made it known through his representatives that he is interested in signing with the Memphis Grizzlies, according to multiple sources.

    The Grizzlies front office is said to be internally weighing the pros and cons of possibly adding Iverson to the team's youth movement

    I guess the bright side is that they'll fill some seats for the 1st month or two.

    Iverson, Conley
    Mayo
    Gay
    Randolph, Arthur
    Gasol, Thabeet

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    It gets better, apparently Iverson is interested in signing with the Grizzles.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ing_grizzlies/





    I guess the bright side is that they'll fill some seats for the 1st month or two.

    Iverson, Conley
    Mayo
    Gay
    Randolph, Arthur
    Gasol, Thabeet
    LOL whats the con? The already added Randolph and by adding Iverson they want their team to come across as too thuggish. Guess what team....its too late!

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    LOL whats the con? The already added Randolph and by adding Iverson they want their team to come across as too thuggish. Guess what team....its too late!
    too thuggish???...

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    It gets better, apparently Iverson is interested in signing with the Grizzles.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ing_grizzlies/





    I guess the bright side is that they'll fill some seats for the 1st month or two.

    Iverson, Conley
    Mayo
    Gay
    Randolph, Arthur
    Gasol, Thabeet

    Wonder how long it will be before Iverson is banned from Tunica casinos

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    Looks like AI could now be headed to Chicago in a sign-and-trade: http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...=rss_blogs_NBA

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    Looks like AI could now be headed to Chicago in a sign-and-trade: http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...=rss_blogs_NBA
    I still have no idea why AI would even want to do this. I guess that he would be a Starter for the Bulls playing ahead of Salmons and Hinrich.....but I would think that he would have as much of a chance as the Starter ( if not equal chance at returning to the Playoffs )....either as a Starting PG or SG under Brown with Bobcats. At least with the Bobcats, there's a clearer leadership role that he will have....whereas with the Bulls he'll be competing with Rose for the Leadership role on the team.

    Also, the Pistons would have to gain something from this if they were to sign off on it.
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    I still have no idea why AI would even want to do this. I guess that he would be a Starter for the Bulls playing ahead of Salmons and Hinrich.....but I would think that he would have as much of a chance as the Starter ( if not equal chance at returning to the Playoffs )....either as a Starting PG or SG under Brown with Bobcats. At least with the Bobcats, there's a clearer leadership role that he will have....whereas with the Bulls he'll be competing with Rose for the Leadership role on the team.

    Also, the Pistons would have to gain something from this if they were to sign off on it.
    I can only guess that the Bulls would look for someone to provide scoring in place of Ben Gordon. Is AI the best fit? I don't know about that, but he may come in and kill the chemistry in Chicago.

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    AI .......... he may come in and kill the chemistry in Chicago.
    Like he's never done that before.

    I think Chicago would be nuts. They have a decent start to a good team. AI playing 2nd or 3rd fiddle just wouldn't go over well.

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