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    Check out this Twitter post from Daryl Morey:

    http://twitter.com/dmorey

    Meeting in a few w/ Gortat.Send a note to him NOW at rocketsfanslovegortat@gmail.com .He will receive.Show him how much we want him in Red!
    Very clever and one of the first salvos of the free agency shopping season!

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    Very nice and quick find! Twitter has been great for 1st hand news.

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    I'm guessing that Bird thinks that Twitter is some Candy Bar.....
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    I'm guessing that Bird thinks that Twitter is some Candy Bar.....

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    Check out this Twitter post from Daryl Morey:

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    Very clever and one of the first salvos of the free agency shopping season!
    that is clever recruiting...

    however, it is open to being hijacked. who wants to send an email in asking gortat to come to the pacers instead?

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    Gortat is garbage.

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    The Rockets need a big with Yao foot but I feel Pachulia would be a better fit.

    People talk of the Pacers being injured but Mc Grady and Yao probably lead the league in games missed over the last two seasons by starters not counting Tinsley and Dunleavy.

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    D'Antoni's supposedly in love with Gortat. I'm trying to figure out why.
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    Gortat is good. He is an extremely solid backup center, and he can even fill in as a starter when someone is injured (read: Yao).

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    Gortat is good. He is an extremely solid backup center, and he can even fill in as a starter when someone is injured (read: Yao).
    He's a decent backup but we've been focusing so much on saving cap space for next year that I don't see the value in using the MLE on him at this point in time, which apparently (if you believe the Post anyway) is what D'Antoni's angling for. I'd rather continue with the scrubs, hope Curry can at least give us something this year, and use Jeffries and Jordan Hill as our backup 4 and 5 this year.

    If we can get him for 2-3 million it would be different but I don't see that happening.
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    He's a decent backup but we've been focusing so much on saving cap space for next year that I don't see the value in using the MLE on him at this point in time, which apparently (if you believe the Post anyway) is what D'Antoni's angling for. I'd rather continue with the scrubs, hope Curry can at least give us something this year, and use Jeffries and Jordan Hill as our backup 4 and 5 this year.

    If we can get him for 2-3 million it would be different but I don't see that happening.
    Yeah, I agree. For the Knicks, it doesn't make a great deal of sense. For the Pacers, I would love someone like Gortat though. We need a solid backup center/spot starter for Hibbert. Especially seeing as how Roy can't stay out of foul trouble. I don't see where we have the money to sign him for the MLE and resign Jack, but Bird/Morway seem to have a plan, so I will trust them.

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    Gortat is good. He is an extremely solid backup center, and he can even fill in as a starter when someone is injured (read: Yao).
    Agreed. He has good hands and good footwork on offense and, more importantly, on defense.

    He'd be perfect in Houston and he'd probably relish the opportunity knowing that he'd be the clear cut starter this season with Yao on the mend.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    Yeah, I agree. For the Knicks, it doesn't make a great deal of sense. For the Pacers, I would love someone like Gortat though. We need a solid backup center/spot starter for Hibbert. Especially seeing as how Roy can't stay out of foul trouble. I don't see where we have the money to sign him for the MLE and resign Jack, but Bird/Morway seem to have a plan, so I will trust them.
    Gortat doesn't deserve the full MLE; no way. I imagine that TPTB are hoping for something like next year's salaries being $3-4 mil for Gortat and $4-5 mil for Jack.

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    Gortat would really help on the defensive end and in rebounding.
    Can the Pacers give him enough minutes with Hibbert and Jeff getting most of the minutes?
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    I'm guessing that Bird thinks that Twitter is some Candy Bar.....
    Naw. Twitter was the bird in the cartoons with Sylvester the cat.

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    Gortat is garbage.
    Why?

    It is easy to call someone garbage and then just log off. Doesn't do much for your cred. It is more difficult, and more worthwhile, to give an explanation of why you don't like a player.

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    Gortat doesn't deserve the full MLE; no way. I imagine that TPTB are hoping for something like next year's salaries being $3-4 mil for Gortat and $4-5 mil for Jack.
    Size comes at a premium. He will get more than $3-4 million.

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    It is easy to call someone garbage and then just log off. Doesn't do much for your cred.
    I think his cred took a hit when he vociferously and repeatedly argued that Twill would not be considered by any NBA teams to be a lotto pick and would probably not go in the top 20.

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    Gortat doesn't deserve the full MLE; no way. I imagine that TPTB are hoping for something like next year's salaries being $3-4 mil for Gortat and $4-5 mil for Jack.
    I'm not saying he should or shouldn't get the full MLE but IMO Gortat's worth more than Jack. You're looking at the difference between a solid backup PG and a solid backup C.
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    Gortat is alright, but I don't see TPTB investing any more money in centers after inking Foster to that outlandish extension last year.

    Foster is our stopgap next year and will be Hibbert's primary backup (assuming that Hibbert starts the season out strong, otherwise it will be the other way around).

    If we sign any sort of center this year it will be a third string stopgap.

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    Gortat is alright, but I don't see TPTB investing any more money in centers after inking Foster to that outlandish extension last year.

    Foster is our stopgap next year and will be Hibbert's primary backup (assuming that Hibbert starts the season out strong, otherwise it will be the other way around).

    If we sign any sort of center this year it will be a third string stopgap.
    Outlandish extension? Considering his loyalty to the franchise, his production on the court, and his popularity among the fans here, I'd say that extension was pretty fair. It didn't seem to deter anyone around the league from attempting to trade for him either.

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    Outlandish extension? Considering his loyalty to the franchise, his production on the court, and his popularity among the fans here, I'd say that extension was pretty fair. It didn't seem to deter anyone around the league from attempting to trade for him either.
    Foster is declining, and his past contract ended at precisely the right time. Sure, he's a nice guy and popular with the fans but this is a business.

    TPTB decided last year they would rather have two more years of Foster than any other young, backup center. I think they basically took the "safe" route and said Foster will be an effective stopgap for two years, after that we'll try to find someone young.

    It doesn't tear me up because I don't think Gortat is that great, anyway, but signing Foster last year basically shut the door on Gortat before it even opened.

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    Size comes at a premium. He will get more than $3-4 million.
    $3+ million for Gortat is a premium: I have his value from last year at $1.27 million. He'll get more than that, for sure, but anything more than $3.5 mil for him right now is just too much, IMO.

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    I'm not saying he should or shouldn't get the full MLE but IMO Gortat's worth more than Jack. You're looking at the difference between a solid backup PG and a solid backup C.
    A counter-description is that Gortat is, to this point, a limited player (certainly on offense) with a few decent strengths to offer as a defender, banger & scrapper, while Jack is a nice-sized, emerging PG with some decision-making flaws to work on, but with starter potential and the versatility to fill in at SG when needed.

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    D'Antoni's supposedly in love with Gortat. I'm trying to figure out why.
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    Foster is declining, and his past contract ended at precisely the right time. Sure, he's a nice guy and popular with the fans but this is a business.

    TPTB decided last year they would rather have two more years of Foster than any other young, backup center. I think they basically took the "safe" route and said Foster will be an effective stopgap for two years, after that we'll try to find someone young.

    It doesn't tear me up because I don't think Gortat is that great, anyway, but signing Foster last year basically shut the door on Gortat before it even opened.
    It isn't as if the new contract has prevented other teams from being interested in Foster. The problem isn't the extension so much as the Pacers' reluctance to trade him.

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    It isn't as if the new contract has prevented other teams from being interested in Foster. The problem isn't the extension so much as the Pacers' reluctance to trade him.
    The other big dynamic is the declining cap/tax threshold. If it comes in at $68mm, that will be about $6mm less than it was being projected at the time of Foster's signing.

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