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    The most disappointing thing draft night wasn't the pick. It was that we didn't do anything else. The draft is the prime time to make moves, because once teams get their picks they're more likely to sit and wait and see how summer camp and free agency goes. It's not that you CAN'T make moves, certainly, but a lot of the frenetic pace is over. And we did nothing.

    Will we make any changes before the season? I'm not counting the re-signing of Jack, or the filing of the roster with low-end players. Will we make any trades? Your thoughts?
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    I expect us to make a serious run at Marcin Gortat.

    We will continue to shop Ford and Murphy. I think the chances of us trading Murph are minimal, but 50/50 for TJ.

    I expect the Tinsley arbitration to not be settled to anyone's particular satisfaction, and we will continue to pay (and shop) him into next season.

    However, even with that activity, it's still possible that none of those attempts come to fruition, and we make no major moves (other than re-signing Jack). The Chicago deal falling through on draft night is disappointing.

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    I would think we make a run at a backup swingman before any other big guy.

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    Mike Wells was on the Channel 13 sports jam last night and said that for Bird the decision came down to Lawson or Hansbrough and Bird was hoping to get them both. So that tells me that Bird is trying to improve the point guard position. I still see the Pacers trading TJ Ford, re-signing Jack

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    The most likely player to be traded is TJ Ford, as everyone has mentioned, but really I don't think he has much value and I think it will be hard for Larry to get equal value for him.

    Unless there is some sort of breakthrough in the offseason, I see one trade for TJ Ford and no other trades this offseason.

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    I feel like a lot of us were spoiled because of last year's draft.

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    I expect us to make a serious run at Marcin Gortat.

    We will continue to shop Ford and Murphy. I think the chances of us trading Murph are minimal, but 50/50 for TJ.

    I expect the Tinsley arbitration to not be settled to anyone's particular satisfaction, and we will continue to pay (and shop) him into next season.

    However, even with that activity, it's still possible that none of those attempts come to fruition, and we make no major moves (other than re-signing Jack). The Chicago deal falling through on draft night is disappointing.
    count, what makes you think we will make a serious run at Gortat? Have you heard/read something that would give you that impression, or are you just thinking that such a move would be logical?

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    count, what makes you think we will make a serious run at Gortat? Have you heard/read something that would give you that impression, or are you just thinking that such a move would be logical?
    It's a combination of things I've heard, and a look at the overall situation.

    I had heard through a friend after the season ended that the FO was really interested Gortat. While the drafting of Hansbrough may make bringing in a big less pressing, there are a number of factors that make me think chasing Gortat may still be a priority (if it ever really was one.)

    1. Hansbrough may or may not be an upgrade defensively, but he doesn't protect the rim, and he's not big enough to handle bigger post players. Gortat could help fill that role.

    2. I don't believe they're sold on Hibbert as the long term starter, at least not in terms of being a 36-minute anchor. It's been discussed repeatedly that Roy could be the starter, but we'll need a really strong backup due to foul and/or conditioning issues.

    3. While backup wing may be the more pressing need, I don't think they'll believe it makes a great deal of sense to invest significant money or years into that position. My guess is that they are planning to re-sign Jack, use him in the combo role, getting maybe 10-15 mins night at the two, with a smattering of Stephen Graham. I believe they will be looking for a stop-gap solution, with Rush & Granger anchoring the wings and Jack & Graham filling holes until Dunleavy returns.

    4. If the rumors of Orlando chasing both Wallace and Bass are true, Gortat just became more readily available, at least theoretically. It also may be telling that Orlando essentially went away from him in the Finals. The Pacers may believe it makes sense to make the investment in Gortat, setting them up to have a Hibbert/Gortat combo at the 5 for the coming years.

    All of it's just speculation, but it seems reasonable.

    Like I said, it probably is most likely that there will be activity (attempts) without accomplishment.

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    The most disappointing thing draft night wasn't the pick. It was that we didn't do anything else. The draft is the prime time to make moves, because once teams get their picks they're more likely to sit and wait and see how summer camp and free agency goes. It's not that you CAN'T make moves, certainly, but a lot of the frenetic pace is over. And we did nothing.

    Will we make any changes before the season? I'm not counting the re-signing of Jack, or the filing of the roster with low-end players. Will we make any trades? Your thoughts?
    Mike Wells: "Larry, many Pacer fans are wondering whether you're planning to make any more moves before the season begins. We've been hearing rumors, but so far no action. What can you tell us?"

    Larry: "Well, Mike, we've got some options that we're considering ... but I'm just havin' so much fun sittin' on my hands and watchin' Anthem fidget himself into a full-blown wedgie, I think we'll wait until August before we pull the trigger on something."

    I'm with the herd: trade Ford and Murphy, if possible, although it's a bit soon to part with Troy. (Plus, I've scoured my database and just can't identify an obvious trade partner for him.) Signing Gortat would please me, but I imagine the team will try to get by with Foster & even McRoberts behind Big Roy. Ford, on the other hand, is on his way out, IMO. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but the writing is on the wall, and to keep him now would leave a sense of awkwardness that might threaten the locker-room atmosphere.

    Without stumping for specific players too much, I will say that, strategically, this should become our "crouch" year; next year we "pounce." It's painfully obvious that TPTB are hell-bent on making the playoffs ASAP while continuing to grow over the next several years. This, then, must be the year we re-enter the playoffs and, correspondingly, we must improve at either PG and/or the "X" (referring to Tbird's 4-5 description) while also ensuring depth at the wing until Dunleavy returns. I see us using TJ and other assets -- including, perhaps, next year's #1 -- to ensure the proper acquisition(s).

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    Mike Wells was on the Channel 13 sports jam last night and said that for Bird the decision came down to Lawson or Hansbrough and Bird was hoping to get them both. So that tells me that Bird is trying to improve the point guard position. I still see the Pacers trading TJ Ford, re-signing Jack
    Unclebuck - I watched some of Lawson and though I came away impressed by his speed, care of the ball, and leadership skills, but I never was overly impressed by him being able to make the difficult pass, or being able to create his shot...although certainly he comes from a great program and may indeed become an excellent PG, my impression was that he was kind of an Anthony Johnson/Travis Diener/Avery Johnson-type (vocal,won't do anything stupid - at least on the court, will keep TO low, ability to lead, but nothing that would wow you and feel he's irreplaceable/star/all-star level).

    Your thoughts?

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    Uncle Buck, You are 100% right about an upgrade at the PG position. I see Steve Nash on the block the question is do we have the pieces?

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    I see us using TJ and other assets -- including, perhaps, next year's #1 -- to ensure the proper acquisition(s).
    Ford, yes I see that? Next years #1?

    I would be shocked if the Pacers moved out of next year's first round. Why? Because Draft Express's mock draft for next year lists more than 15 pf/c's in next years first round. Even taken with the proverbial grain of salt that's a lot.

    Last year their first round mock for this years draft was filled with PG's and that came true. So I'm thinking the Pacers won't want to trade out of a draft that's likely to be filled with big guys.

    Plus I think I read that Bird doesn't like giving up first rounders. Of course that could have been speculation I read on here, and not a quote.

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    Ford, yes I see that? Next years #1?

    I would be shocked if the Pacers moved out of next year's first round. Why? Because Draft Express's mock draft for next year lists more than 15 pf/c's in next years first round. Even taken with the proverbial grain of salt that's a lot.

    Last year their first round mock for this years draft was filled with PG's and that came true. So I'm thinking the Pacers won't want to trade out of a draft that's likely to be filled with big guys.

    Plus I think I read that Bird doesn't like giving up first rounders. Of course that could have been speculation I read on here, and not a quote.
    I'm not advocating it; I just think that for the right player now, it'd enter into consideration.

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    The most disappointing thing draft night wasn't the pick. It was that we didn't do anything else. The draft is the prime time to make moves, because once teams get their picks they're more likely to sit and wait and see how summer camp and free agency goes. It's not that you CAN'T make moves, certainly, but a lot of the frenetic pace is over. And we did nothing.

    Will we make any changes before the season? I'm not counting the re-signing of Jack, or the filing of the roster with low-end players. Will we make any trades? Your thoughts?
    I don't think the Pacers had the assets to move up in the draft and it would've been dumb to move down. It's a bad draft as it is and you don't want to further dilute the talent you're getting by trading down, so the Pacers were just better off sticking at #13 and picking who they liked most.

    As count noted, Murphy will in all likelihood be back and there's about a 50/50 chance of Ford getting traded.

    If you're not willing to throw Rush or Hibbert into the pot as trade chips, I don't know how else you can make even a moderately significant move.

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    I dont think we're going to be moving Ford until we have secured a contract for Jack. It would stupid if we move Ford (for a non-PG) and have another team offer Jack a huge contract which we cannot match.

    Lets first resign Jack then worry about moving Ford and hopefully Murphy
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    I feel like a lot of us were spoiled because of last year's draft.
    No doubt about it. Last year's draft was very exciting. Although I think it is no secret that Bird was very close to getting something done either getting the Bull's two picks or by trading TJ. Had the Pacers gotten the two Bull's picks who would they have taken besides Hansbrough? All the point guards were gone by 26.

    The problem right now is the draft created more questions than answers for the Pacers. Now the question I have is what to do with Troy Murphy? He will be hard to trade but how can you keep him? Part of the reason the Pacers took Tyler is because he is ready to play right away. And I hope they aren't planning on playing Troy and Tyler at the same time. I think that the Pacers now need to be serious about moving Troy.

    The point guard situation is another problem. It seems TJ Ford is likely gone. The question is for who? Then you still have to re-sign Jarrett Jack too. And Jamaal Tinsley is still on the team.

    Now that it is offical the Pacers are not picking up Marquis Daniel's option I assume they don't plan on re-signing him. So now who are you going to get to replace him? I think Dunleavy is going to be out until at least early next year, but I might be wrong I don't know. A decent backup is needed for Rush/Granger.

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    That's true. The Jack situation will probably play itself out before any moves are made.

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    That's true. The Jack situation will probably play itself out before any moves are made.
    I wouldn't hold my breath on that. If it happens quickly (early July), then it probably means that someone is willing to offer some good money, and we'll be put to a quick decision.

    It's difficult to tell what will happen, but I would not be surprised to see the Jack situation linger into August, perhaps September. He's probably not on the top lists, so I'd be surprised if he was getting offers faxed to him at midnight the day the moratorium lifts. Teams will probably wait for a resolution on Sessions before moving on Jack.

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    Is there any possibility we can end up with Millsap or Anthony Parker ?

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    Is there any possibility we can end up with Millsap or Anthony Parker ?
    Milsap - nope, he looking for $11 million per season. We cant afford that right now.

    Parker - possibly, theres talks that he is looking to return to Israel to play to Tel Aviv. I dont think he will return to Toronto, but he could be had for relatively cheap
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    I dont think we're going to be moving Ford until we have secured a contract for Jack. It would stupid if we move Ford (for a non-PG) and have another team offer Jack a huge contract which we cannot match.

    Lets first resign Jack then worry about moving Ford and hopefully Murphy
    My instinct is sounding off big time alarms that Ford will get traded this summer (not sure anyone else values that though )... I believe there was a lot more to his benching last year than we know about, and he's the right combination of a player with value and a player that seems to have checked out from the team. For chemistry alone, I believe they will move him. I believe strongly that Jack will hold the car keys to the 1 position this year, and they will sign him to a 4/20 contract soon. They won't want that ambiguity to persist all summer.

    Hell, they already have one PG malcontent on the farthest end of the bench.

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    i thought i would post this from insider as i was one of the people supporting the idea of a channing frye acquisition.

    Free-agent fits: Bucher's Top 20
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    [Editor's note: Today Ric looks at players 11-20 on his Top 20 list. Tomorrow, it's players 1-10.]

    Thanks to the Spurs, Cavaliers and Magic, it's possible to believe that at least some NBA teams are more committed to raising a championship banner than protecting their profit margin.

    Now the questions are: how committed? Will anybody else join the party? And if they do, will they make the right choices?

    While the 2010 free-agent class might be loaded with franchise cornerstones, the current class has enough cornices and rebar to upgrade a team from fixer-upper to showcase status. Even if Kobe Bryant, Mehmet Okur and Carlos Boozer opt to enter the pool, the options for reworking a team's foundation are limited. (Bryant has indicated he'd only opt out to sign a longer deal with the Lakers, so he is not included in the rankings.) That's not great for Detroit and Oklahoma City, who have the most cap room and are looking to upgrade their core. But for teams in search of specialty items, there is an array of young role players and battle-tested veterans available.

    The key, as always, is paying the right price and adding pieces that don't just look nice, but fit the décor. The 76ers blew their budget landing Elton Brand last summer, not anticipating that he'd bog down their up-tempo offense. The Clippers emptied the till to get Baron Davis, not figuring on Brand's defection or Davis balking at coach Mike Dunleavy's play-calling. The Magic, conversely, made a lower-profile move in signing guard Mickael Pietrus, but his athleticism, 3-point shooting and ability to defend bigger wings filled a glaring need at shooting guard and made him an invaluable ingredient in getting them to the Finals.

    It's through that lens that we'll examine the 20 free agents (11-20 on Monday, 1-10 on Tuesday) who could have the biggest impact next season, either on their current teams if they're re-signed or on a new team badly needing their services. To help any real or imaginary GMs, a synopsis of what each player can deliver at this stage of his career (which might not match popular opinion) and the best and worst systems for him are included. You know, just in case someone's thinking of building a grand staircase for a mobile home.


    *UFA = Unrestricted free agent
    *RFA = Restricted free agent

    11. Jason Kidd, PG, Mavericks (UFA)

    His game: Vast change from Kidd of yesteryear. Now he's a respectable spot-up shooter and defender who plays angles and shepherds his man into help. Still has uncanny ability to find an open man with the game on the line, milk a hot hand or recognize a mismatch. Good post-up threat but no longer finishes in traffic. Pass-ahead, fast-break starter off rebounds.

    Right system: A balanced offense that he can initiate, but which features a threat who requires double teams. Still good in a team-defense concept, so needs smart teammates and an organized coach. Athletic wings are a must to exploit his outlet passes and protect him on defense. Lots of off-the-ball, pass-and-cut movement allows him to utilize his passing, vision and timing.

    Wrong System: A rip-and-run offensive style with no title-contending hopes or aspirations or players capable of moving without the ball.

    Best Fits: Mavericks, Lakers, Cavaliers, Rockets, Magic, Hawks, Celtics

    12. Ron Artest, SF, Rockets (UFA)

    His game: A matchup nightmare because of his 3-point shooting, handle and physical ability to take contact and still score. Enlivened by defensive challenges, his strength, tenacity and deceptive agility -- even if it has diminished -- make him a rather aggravating cover guy.

    Right system: Half-court game with a calm, communicating coach adept at exploiting offensive mismatches. A team with a solid decision-making star who has enough game to command Artest's trust and respect.

    Wrong System: My-way-or-highway coach without a star bigger than Artest, one that demands its small forward make plays or one that has no chance at the playoffs.

    Best Fits: Lakers, Rockets, Celtics, Cavaliers

    13. Mike Bibby, PG, Hawks (UFA)

    His game: One of the best 3-point shooting PGs in league. Still effective on pick-and-rolls but more of a set-up-the-offense, flare-to-the-corner type now. A defensive liability but better in a strong team concept. Is not a playmaker but doesn't try to be one; moves the ball on the perimeter, happy to feed and play off a bona fide star.

    Right system: Thrives with passing big men, a slower pace, a player's coach and at least one screen-setting big man. Long, athletic, hardnosed wings are recommended so he can hide on defense.

    Wrong system: Anywhere that requires him to create shots or provide dribble penetration. A team that lacks a shotblocker or at least one defensive-oriented wing.

    Best Fits: Hawks, Blazers, Rockets, Grizzlies, Wizards, Hornets

    14. Shawn Marion, SF/PF, Raptors (UFA)

    His game: Even though age has somewhat diminished his legendary pogo-stick legs, the faster the game, the better he is. Unheralded defender, both helping and on the ball. Moves well off the ball and has array of flip shots from 10 feet and in. Can make 3s but at this point is most effective when he keeps those to a minimum.

    Right system: Up-tempo with a first-rate passing point guard. Moves well enough that he can play with or without a dominant post player.

    Wrong system: Lots of chuckers, because Marion's energy suffers without touches and when his defensive responsibilities are overly isolated.

    Best Fits: Knicks, Hornets, Bulls, 76ers, Suns, Raptors

    15. Paul Millsap, PF, Jazz (RFA)

    His game: Space-eater around the rim. Tenacious rebounder, especially good at cleaning up the offensive boards. Can score in the post but limited as a passer. Face-up game is almost acceptable. No jumper beyond 15 feet. Not a shotblocker but very good at keeping bigger, more talented players off the block or away from their spots.

    Right system: Needs shooters around him and a playmaking, penetrating point guard. Works best in a structured system in which he has a well-defined, contributing role.

    Wrong System: An up-tempo, free-flowing offense or a defense without a shotblocker or solid perimeter defenders. Has neither shotblocking chops nor agility to help on dribble drives. Would get lost next to a post-dominating big man.

    Best Fits: Jazz, Blazers, Suns, Celtics, Pistons, Nuggets

    16. Drew Gooden, PF, Spurs (UFA)

    His game: Designated post-up scorer. Is not going to block shots or find cutters but is an above-average rebounder and can create shots for himself on the block, a precious commodity.

    Right system: A simple but disciplined one, where his marching orders are clear. Look for him to provide points when the offense bogs down and jumpers are not falling, and he won't disappoint.

    Wrong System: A read-and-react format where he has to provide a defensive post presence or make plays.

    Best Fits: Spurs, Bulls, Heat, Blazers

    17. Allen Iverson, PG/SG, Pistons (UFA)

    His game: Improvisational scorer, still capable of breaking down almost any defender off the dribble. Age, plus wear-and-tear, has him relying more on his midrange jumper than getting to the rim. Needs a strong-but-thoughtful coach to keep him focused and committed.

    Right system: A team that has a need for an electric scorer off the bench, featuring a loose, offensive-oriented attack and a locker room/coach strong enough to keep him happy with that role. Preferably without a post scorer to clog up the lane.

    Wrong System: Highly structured scheme that doesn't have at least two excellent perimeter defenders to hide Iverson's steal-or-else defensive approach. A coach without a pedigree would not be good, either.

    Best Fits: Magic, Warriors, Wizards, Celtics, Suns

    18. David Lee, PF/C, Knicks (RFA)

    His game: Energy and defense without needing plays called for him. Will sacrifice his body on screens and charges. Undersized but athletic, hardnosed and low maintenance. Rebound and loose-ball fiend. Good hands and decent with putbacks and finishing around the rim off pick-and-roll. Not much of a threat beyond 15 feet or on post-ups. Willing help defender, but not a shotblocker.

    Right system: Up-tempo is ideal because he'll outrun most bigs in transition. Need at least three scorers, ideally four, so he has room and reason to chase down rebounds and putbacks. Can't play off an offensive post threat because he doesn't have the jumper to space the floor. Mobile enough to show on the guard in pick-and-roll defense and get back to a rolling big.

    Wrong System: A methodical half-court set with a dominant scoring center who is not a shotblocker.

    Best Fits: Suns, Blazers, Jazz, Rockets, Thunder, Warriors

    19. Linas Kleiza, SF, Nuggets (RFA)

    His game: Streaky spot-up shooter from 3-point range. No real in-between game. Unafraid to go strong to the rim and has the muscle to take contact and finish. Good lane-filler on the break. Willing on-the-ball defender who fights over screens and uses his size well to crowd opponents. Not much of a help defender.

    Right system: Needs a playmaking point guard or double-team drawing star because he doesn't create his own shot. Better in a team-oriented, lock-em-up, defensive system with a bona fide shotblocker so he can crowd opponents and use his strength without fear of getting beat off the dribble. Also better in a structured offense because he moves without the ball well and understands spacing.

    Wrong System: An up-and-down style with lots of one-on-one play because he'll get lost in the shuffle, which is what happened in Denver last season.

    Best fits: Cavs, Lakers, Hornets, Spurs, Magic

    20. Channing Frye SF/PF Blazers (RFA)

    His game: Solid jump shooter with 3-point range. Unafraid to take and make crunch-time shots, even when playing limited minutes. High basketball IQ. Not a physical player but can post up players his size or smaller. Limited defensively by his size and strength but makes an effort.

    Right system: A drive-and-kick offense willing and able to move the ball around the perimeter and disciplined defense with willing and able help defenders. Not a shotblocker, so he needs to be protected -- not the protector -- around the rim.

    Wrong System: Up-tempo, fast break style. Just not quick or explosive enough to make that work as an undersized power forward. Not going to flourish with a shoot-first point guard, either.

    Best fits: Pistons, Heat, Magic

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    but we have to make a qualifying offer to jack by june 30th right?

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    Ford, yes I see that? Next years #1?

    I would be shocked if the Pacers moved out of next year's first round. Why? Because Draft Express's mock draft for next year lists more than 15 pf/c's in next years first round. Even taken with the proverbial grain of salt that's a lot.

    Last year their first round mock for this years draft was filled with PG's and that came true. So I'm thinking the Pacers won't want to trade out of a draft that's likely to be filled with big guys.

    Plus I think I read that Bird doesn't like giving up first rounders. Of course that could have been speculation I read on here, and not a quote.




    Will, just remember this year was FULL of PG's and Bird didn't draft one, so just b/c next year is full of bigs doesn't mean he'll draft one either.

    As most on here know, I like Gortat. He is mobile, can rebound, and can DEFEND! In the playoffs, the Magic had him even playing some PF with Howard. To me there is the 5/4 T-bird talked about. Now, it remains to be seen if the Pacers have what it takes to get him. I don't think they do.

    I'm just not sold on Hibbert being the future 5 for the Pacers, but I could live with Hibbert and Gortat sharing the position. To me in order to be able to get Gortat, money has to be cleared up or a player needs to be traded for him in a S&T. My guess being a BIG, Gortat will receive a good portion if not all of the MLE which means a S&T for the Pacers. So who does the Pacers have that's close to 6 mil to trade? Foster, yes I know that is blasphemy to many, but you are getting a BIG back that's younger. I don't see Orlando taking Ford, and if they did they would have to throw in a filler to make it work.

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    I feel like a lot of us were spoiled because of last year's draft.
    All I wanted last year was to move one of Tinsley, Dunleavy, and Murphy. I got none.

    Swap TJ for Dun and that's all I want this year, too.
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