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    This was on Indy Cornrows this morning and I absolutely loved it.

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    It has taken 24 hours, five stages, several drinks and one trillion text messages, but I have finally done it - I now accept Tyler Hansbrough as an Indiana Pacer, and I'm OK with it.

    How did I get here? It was a long, arduous journey that was a montage of crying, smiling, dismissing my Pacer fandom, praising our leader Larry Bird and, ultimately, cowering in the corner of my apartment wondering how the hell to feel about a lottery pick being used on a 6-foot-9 forward from the University of North Carolina who should have taken 10 picks later.

    But eventually I got up, brushed the draft off my knees and realized that the world was still spinning and everything was good in PacerLand. So let's take a walk down the five stages of acceptance of Tyler Hansbrough. This process isn't for everyone, so if you need a visual, watch this.

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    Stage 1: Denial
    With the 13th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Indiana Pacers select...Tyler Hansbrough from the University of North Carolina. Before the Pacers made that pick, I had been frantically scanning the draft board for the player who the Pacers were going to draft.

    I needed to update Indy Cornrows as soon as the pick was made, so I loaded all of the YouTube highlights of players who might be drafted by the Pacers. I had each one tabbed: Eric Maynor, DeJuan Blair, Jrue Holiday, James Johnson, Jeff Teague and Ty Lawson.

    I even went a step further by making a fake headline saying the Pacers had drafted Holiday. I was certain Bird would take Holiday, trade down in the draft and pick up the player that he and O'Brien had been gushing over for the past week - Tyler Hansbrough. Every time either Bird or O'Brien talked about Hansbrough this week, it became more apparent that they were in love with him. Remember when you were a teenager and your friends asked you about that super, hot chick that you had a crush on? Your eyes gazed toward the ceiling, an innocent smile slid across your face, and you talked and talked and talked about how wonderful she was in every way. That was O'Brien on the radio Thursday before the draft. He did both afternoon sports radio shows, and it was easy to see O'Brien gazed toward the ceiling and transfixed with a love potion when discussing Hansbrough. It was disgusting.

    Then, the pick was announced. Like other fans, I was floored. As the great Clark Griswold once said, I wouldn't have been more surprised if I had woken up with my head sewn to the carpet. This just didn't happen, did it? I raced through my mock drafts, thumbed through other people's mockings and found that the Pacers had made a mockery of us all. Larry Bird pulled a fast one. The Pacers really did draft Tyler Hansbrough.

    Larry Bird: "We had some point guards we wanted, but we felt if Ty was there, we had to take him."

    Stage 2: Anger
    The texts poured in immediately after the pick was made. From my cousin, "R u kiddin me? Croshere Junior, that's who we draft?" From a Bulls friend, "I am so happy I get to watch Hansbrough suck on yer team next year." From a Celtics friend, "Hahahahahahahaha."

    My wife's response helped out too. "Oh wait!" she exclaimed. "I've actually seen that guy before. He's the guy I always made fun of for looking like a baby! How cute! I can't believe that's who the Pacers drafted." Wow.

    Now I was starting to hate the pick, hate Larry Bird and hate the Pacers for ruining my life. If Hansbrough doesn't pan out, I'm going to hear about it forever from everybody. This is your fault Larry Bird. How could this happen? What was Larry Bird thinking? The negatives raced through my mind: too slow, too short, struggles defensively, no potential, undersized, another Josh McRoberts, a younger Jeff Foster, another Austin Croshere.

    I started to get angry.

    Larry Bird: "Not everybody's going to be happy with who you take, but once they see him play, they'll be very surprised. He fits in well with us, and he's going to have a great career."

    Stage 3: Bargaining
    I couldn't understand how Hansbrough was the best pick at No. 13. The thirteenth pick should give you somebody who can become a starter and situate your team for the playoffs down the road. Every scouting report on Hansbrough says he'll be in the league for 10 years as a decent role player who thrives on intensity to better the team, but he'll never, ever, ever be an All-Star.

    As the draft kept going, I started to bargain with Mr. Bird. "If you just trade this pick down in the draft, or maybe make another blockbuster deal somehow involving Jamaal Tinsley, all will be forgiven. I promise to keep making payments on my season tickets. I promise to buy another Granger jersey. I promise to never doubt you again. Just, please, do NOT keep this pick!"

    I started thinking, "Why couldn't we have taken a chance on somebody?" Bird's insistence on drafting experienced collegiate players seemed to be leaving promising young talent on the draft board. Since Bird's return to the franchise in 2003, only one first-round pick by the Pacers played less than three years in college, and that guy, Shawne Williams, didn't set the best precedent for underclassman. So, Bird is scared and scarred by underclassmen. But when you've got Jrue Holiday, Eric Maynor and Ty Lawson available, you go after them, right? They have potential to be stars and be compliments to Danny Granger. Our only true starter needs a wingman, and Hansbrough is not the answer.

    In several columns preceding the draft, I pleaded for the Pacers to trade down and pick up some pieces to provide depth in all the weak areas (point guard, wing, post...hmm, everything). The worst-case scenario was the Pacers staying at No. 13 and picking a player who only shored up one roster spot. Consider the worst-case scenario accomplished with flying colors.

    The night went on and no trade was announced. It was rumored that the Pacers came close to unloading the No. 13 pick to the Bulls for two first-rounders. Hansbrough still would have been the pick at No. 16. I went to sleep, dazed and confused.

    Jim O'Brien: "We're just trying to take the most talented guy when we pick. Last night, for us, it was certainly Hansbrough. [His workout] was by far the most intense workout we had and it was a direct result of what he brought to that workout."

    Stage 4: Depression
    By Friday morning, I reached the fourth stage of denial. I didn't want to talk about the pick, didn't want to open the paper, didn't want to ask questions and didn't want to get answers. I just wanted to get away from it. I did not care anymore.

    But I could not get away from it. Everyone kept texting me. "What do you think?" they asked. People at work asked, "Hey, about that Tyler Hansbrough?" Yeah, how about that, you stupid jerk. Can't you see I'm depressed here? I moped around, head down to the floor and wondered when it would be 1998 again. When will I love to watch this team play night-in and night-out again? Why am I still a Pacers fan after all the crap that went down these past four years? Maybe all those people who shunned the team after the Brawl were right, maybe it was time to move on.

    Larry Bird: "He's a mature four-year guy, great college career. He's got good mechanics, he's very well-rounded. He scored in college, he'll score in the league. Tyler's been beat down for four years. Everybody says his game won't translate to the NBA. He'll be fine. He'll do a good job."

    Stage 5: Acceptance
    Dateline: Friday afternoon. I get a text from a buddy that says, "I don't why, but I like this pick. It was the worst draft ever, so at least we got something from it. Something is better than nothing."

    It was the worst draft of the decade. People had been saying that for months. When I pleaded for the Pacers to trade down in the draft, it wasn't just to get more picks, it was to get away from the lottery. There were too many unproven players. Earlier this week, ESPN's Chad Ford said the 2009 No. 8 pick would be the No. 18 pick in a normal draft. So the Pacers were really drafting a player who would've gone in the mid-20's one year ago. If you think about it that way, Hansbrough doesn't seem so bad.

    Here's a guy who was massively productive four straight years in college. This is a guy who won a NCAA title, was a big man who could dominate in the paint, score from the elbow and control the ball on the outside. This is a guy who played intense every night. This is a guy who faced one-on-one with a 7-foot-7 behometh and instead of taking the wide-open jump shot, decided to drive straight to the basket and dunk on his face. Jeff Foster would have shot...and missed.

    "Maybe it's not such a bad pick," I kept telling myself. "Maybe it doesn't matter if we couldn't trade down. We got the guy we wanted. Bird did good last year, maybe I should trust him again. He's got other tricks up his sleeve this summer. I know it."

    People are ticked off now, but I guarantee that come November, Hansbrough will get one of the loudest ovations every time he comes off the bench and leaves the court. That's just how it works at Conseco "Reggie Miller" Fieldhouse. Pacers fans love work ethic and determination. They love players who take charges, go for loose balls and show that they care even in games against Memphis and Washington. Of the 25 games I attended last year, Foster, Josh McRoberts, Jarrett Jack and Granger always got the biggest boost from the crowd when entering the court. Why? Because fans applaud players who give them their money's worth.

    There's no guarantee that Hansbrough will be an All-Star. There's no guarantee that Hansbrough will be a starter. There's no guarantee that Hansbrough will be a role player. But he is going to give fans their money's worth. So no matter how much we don't like the pick in June and July, most fans will appreciate him in six months.

    I didn't like this pick. I still don't love it. But I'm accepting it. Please prove everybody wrong, Tyler. Otherwise, I'm getting rid of text messaging.

    Tyler Hansbrough: "There's nothing to it but to prove some people wrong. I think some people just love me or hate me. That's the way it is. The way I look at it, people didn't think I was going to be a very good college player, and I was successful in college. I am coming in there, ready to prove some people wrong."

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    Default Re: The Five Stages Of Accepting Tyler Hansbrough

    Stage 6 - you watch the same guy in person that the entire NBA scouting and GM community watched for the last 4 years and you end up right back at stage 2 by next summer


    It's gonna be a fun year.

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    This kind of thing happens to Pacer fans (and NBA fans everywhere I imagine) every year. Everyone's expectations for the draft are always too high: fans will think they are entitled to finding a superstar at the 7th, 13th, 25th, whatever pick.

    What everyone needs to do is calm down, and take this draft into proper context in that Larry is using it only as a step to his final vision of what kind of team we are going to have. The 2009 NBA Draft is not going to lead any team to the promised land by itself, no Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant was drafted last night. In fact with most teams this probably had a neutral or even negative effect on their future.

    However, this is not the case with the Pacers. Larry Bird did a fine job taking a guy who is going to contribute, possibly as a starter, to the future of our franchise. And I believe that is much more than most teams got on draft night.

    It is very obvious to me that over the next two to three years, the goal of the Pacers is to accumulate a core and hopefully make the playoffs. However, the Pacers FO knows that as long as we are burdened by the contracts of Ford, Dunleavy, Murphy, Tinsley, and Foster, we're not going to be making any trips to the NBA Finals. Could this team win a playoff series or two in the next couple of years? Absolutely. But I don't see us winning too many games in the second round, yet.

    However, as Pacer fans we all need to be keeping an eye out for what kinds of contracts superstars are getting in next couple of years, and to what teams they are going. We should all be getting excited if it is seen that some really good players have long term deals with teams that may be losing a lot in the future. Because it is very possible that in two or three years the Pacers could be acquiring one of those players. We will have the contracts, and there will be a team out there somewhere that will welcome the salary dump.

    So the chances are very, very good that the Pacers in the future will be able to retain our entire core of Jack/Rush/Granger/Hansbrough/Hibbert while adding a superstar player.

    Then, the Pacers are going to be quite interesting to watch.

    Where does Hansbrough fit into this? Simply as another solid contributor on the level of Hibbert or Rush, contributing to a possible championship-caliber team anchored by Danny and a player of equal value or possibly even better than Danny.

    Right now, the Pacers are simply looking for solid contributors around what will eventually be a very powerful two or possibly three headed monster. In that context, they did a great job in this draft.

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    Stage 6 - you watch the same guy in person that the entire NBA scouting and GM community watched for the last 4 years and you end up right back at stage 2 by next summer


    It's gonna be a fun year.
    Yea, it's too bad the entire NBA scouting and GM community never make mistakes, except the Pacers of course.

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    Could this team win a playoff series or two in the next couple of years? Absolutely.
    This team as constructed now? No, I don't believe that unless several of our direct rivals for seed #8 will screw up on huge levels.

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    Where does Hansbrough fit into this? Simply as another solid contributor on the level of Hibbert or Rush, contributing to a possible championship-caliber team anchored by Danny and a player of equal value or possibly even better than Danny.
    On the level of Hibbert, probably. I view Rush as a little more though, not an all-star, but in or two years above average on his position.

    Anyway, I view Tyler more as a sparkplug off the bench to bring in some extra energy, effort and toughness aswell as someone who will get the home public a little more involved. I think he will amount to something like 12 and 6 over time. I think that's not starter numbers, but backup numbers, but ahwell... I can live with it if he is starting and manages to keep opposing PF's at bay.

    We'll see how it all pans out, he's a Pacer, so I'm rooting for him, sort of in the same bag as Cornrows desbribed .

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    Stage 6 - you watch the same guy in person that the entire NBA scouting and GM community watched for the last 4 years and you end up right back at stage 2 by next summer


    It's gonna be a fun year.
    This kind of post gets tiring after a while.

    Entire scouting and GM community? That's dead wrong. Incorrect. Incapable of being supported with facts or even supposition.

    Hearing you repeat it over and over does not lend it any amount of credibility.
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    Stage 6 - you watch the same guy in person that the entire NBA scouting and GM community watched for the last 4 years and you end up right back at stage 2 by next summer


    It's gonna be a fun year.
    When are you going to put this in your signature:

    Larry Bird, David Morway, and Jim O'Brien are all idiots.

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    Article was just off. I don't agree that Hansbrough should have been picked way later --- he wouldn't have been there. I don't agree that you should expect an All-Star at the 13th pick.

    Whiny, dramatic article. It's not near as bad as that dude is crying about. Hansbrough is gonna grow on a lot of people who just don't have their head on straight right now.

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    Stage 6 - you watch the same guy in person that the entire NBA scouting and GM community watched for the last 4 years and you end up right back at stage 2 by next summer


    It's gonna be a fun year.

    The Bulls called at 16. They disagree with you.

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    If Griffin gets injured (let me be clear, I never want to see a player go down) Hansbrough could easily be ROY that's how deep or undeep this draft is. I will always think it was the right decision. The guy brings it every night and has skills.
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    heres the thing..im not too happy about drafting tyler either, but its all ready done....nothing we can do about it now but try to accept it and support him as he may bring some wins to the pacers in the future......i say give him a chance....if not out of respect out of the fact he isnt going any where for a while!!!
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    although..i don't agree with the article 100%... i do think this is some of cornrows better writing...maybe a tad dramatic...but thats just me...

    i had a similar cycle of feelings (kinda different because i cycled through them much quicker), and the more i think about TH lurking in our line up the more i like it...seeing that bill simmons liked the pick immediately,eased my mind some...(he is right about 90% of the time)

    i would rather have an angry/hungry determined hard working player with something to prove...then a player that never even cares to reach his own potential...i hold mentality as the most important attribute, but some disagree...i thought eric maynor had a solid head on his shoulders and liked him because of leadership, but TH can lead also in a different way...if maynor, or any PG in the draft, were the next CP3 or DWILL then GMs all would have known...

    did we just get a large portion of UNC fans as a distant fanbase...????

    i think we did, and thats kinda cool in itself..
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    IC's draft night discussion thread was brutal. I posted a couple of very short comments in support of the pick, but nothing was going to stem that tide of wailing and despair...so I got out of there.

    This article is pretty dramatic, but IC had to read all of those angry, horrified posts. So he's working his way back from a much worse space than the average PDer. Really, coming back to PD on draft night, after watching the reaction at Cornrows, was like a breath of fresh air. There was some seriously self-induced hysteria going on there.

    As always, keep up the good work, IC.
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    Anyone who truly understands the reality facing our franchise knows that this was the only option Bird and Morway had if they couldn't find a definite trade option that was still available to us when we were on the clock.

    Our franchise is from Indiana. We understand fundamental basketball at its most basic level. I believe the average Indiana fan who watches some basketball, not just NBA but ALL levels of men's basketball, loves nothing more than to root for guys who leave everything on the floor and are highly appreciative of the opportunities that playing in the NBA gives them. I also believe that we tend to like workhorse type tough guys who overcome the naysayers and prove that hard work actually can pay off. It reflects a lot of our state's work ethic and basketball heritage at the same time.

    Tyler Hansbrough brings these things to the franchise in a way that possibly no one has since Jeff Foster did 10 years ago. He also does this without a whole lot of downside risk due to the fact that so many people don't actually believe in him at the moment.

    As has been indicated by Bird in his interviews, the way things played out, there was no way that the Pacers could possibly afford to take the risk of passing on Hansbrough, who, as Cornrows eventually pointed out, should likely get loud cheers every time he is given a chance to see the floor (who knows with OB unless he is instructed to do so by Bird) just as Foster has for years, and just as McRoberts did this past year despite his overall lack of time on the floor. People here in Indiana love this type of gritty, determined effort, and nearly everything I have seen written about him in the media points to Hansbrough being the number one pick in this draft if it were based on this trait.

    For a franchise still struggling to re-establish its fan base in the heart of basketball country, no other player would have embodied that spirit coming into the league in the way that Hansbrough does. It is my belief that we could not have scripted our choice better to this point. I truly relish the thought of having toughness on our team, to combine with the grace and athleticism of our wings and the continued development of Roy Hibbert.

    Year two of the transformation of our franchise is definitely in progress, and we have yet to even enter the actual trading season where opportunities will likely develop in unexpected ways due to changing economic constraints being felt throughout the league. Maybe the Tinsley arbitrator will actually be more favorable than we realize (sorry about the sunshiny nature of this) and we will end up with a little more flexibility than we think.

    Hope should be higher now than it has been in years. Lets all embrace it!

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    Bottom line for me:

    He wasn't my favorite pick before the draft, but I'm just a spectator... and I'm surely uninformed compared to this team's leadership.

    He's now a Pacer, so he's become my favorite pick.

    On top of this realization is my natural tendency to want to stick up and support the downtrodden, and he most certainly is getting raked over the coals.

    Here's one Pacer fan that will support TH big time, as I love to see people like him prove everyone wrong.

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    Again, we have it on fairly good authority that the Bulls would have taken Hansbrough at 16, so trading down to the "appropriate" level was not an option.

    Trading Jrue Holiday was not likely to happen, and there's enough question there to wonder if he is really going to be a better player in order to keep.

    Therefore, since the 13 pick was the only pick Bird had, he got his guy.

    Why not?
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    Again, we have it on fairly good authority that the Bulls would have taken Hansbrough at 16, so trading down to the "appropriate" level was not an option.

    Trading Jrue Holiday was not likely to happen, and there's enough question there to wonder if he is really going to be a better player in order to keep.

    Therefore, since the 13 pick was the only pick Bird had, he got his guy.

    Why not?
    Especially when I heard over and over again that after the top 8 the next twenty were all roughly equal. Who cares about the numerical significance of the draft selection in a draft like this? After the top 8, you just pick the guy who fits best to your plans. The draft number is NOT always relevant to NBA talent level even though it should be. This year of all years argument that our guy is a 20th pick instead of a 13th pick is not relevant. the odds were flat for most candidates.
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    Whatever I'm pumped about Hansbrough. Its the freaking 13th pick and in a pretty bad draft too. I would have been happy with Hansbrough, Holiday, Teague or Maynor. I think we did pretty well. I and a ton of other Pacers fans love hard working players. Especially ones are constantly doubted and prove everyone wrong. I really couldnt be happier with this pick.

    I loved that Austin Daye pick by the Pistons too. I think he could turn out really good. In a couple years I don't think people will think the Pacers and Pistons were crazy.

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    I'm NOT saying they're the same player, but I thought it was worth comparing in terms of two guys with similar size.

    These are from Draft Express

    Kevin Love / Tyler Hansbrough:

    Height w/o shoes: 6'7.75" vs 6'8.25"
    Height w/ shoes: 6'9.5" vs 6'9.5"
    Wingspan: 6'11.25" vs 6'11.5"
    No Step Vert 29.5" vs 27.5"
    Max Vert 35.0" vs 34.0"
    Bench Press 18 vs 18
    Lane Agility 11.17 vs 11.12
    3/4 Court Sprint 3.22 vs 3.27

    I thought that was interesting. I thought Love would be bigger/longer. We need to get Tyler a pair of the same shoes Love is wearing!

    NBA.com lists Love as 6'10", so I imagine that's what Tyler will be listed as, too. Should be, anyway.

    Love obviously weighs a lot more and is considered more of a PF/C, whereas Tyler will almost certainly be a PF only.

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    NBA.com lists Love as 6'10", so I imagine that's what Tyler will be listed as, too. Should be, anyway.
    Don't even bother taking "listed" heights on NBA.com seriously. Shane Battier measured out at 6'8.25" w/o shoes. He's listed at 6'8".

    A few years ago, Justin Williams from Wyoming measured out at 6'7.25" w/o shoes. He's listed at 6'10".

    So Battier is actually 1 inch taller than Williams, even though Williams is "listed" as 2 inches taller than Battier.

    LOL.

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    Love vs. Hansbrough...interesting comparison. Love definitely has an NBA level skill: his passing, but it's an interesting notion.

    Like I've been saying I hope we play him from the get go. I want him to be the first big man off the bench. Jeff can play 12 minutes a game for all I care. Tyler needs to sink or swim immediately no need to tip-toe around it. He's either ready to go or he isn't and if he isn't he's never going to be. That's just the kind of player he is IMO. So we might as well find out ASAP.

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    Kevin Love / Tyler Hansbrough:

    Height w/o shoes: 6'7.75" vs 6'8.25"
    Height w/ shoes: 6'9.5" vs 6'9.5"
    Wingspan: 6'11.25" vs 6'11.5"
    No Step Vert 29.5" vs 27.5"
    Max Vert 35.0" vs 34.0"
    Bench Press 18 vs 18
    Lane Agility 11.17 vs 11.12
    3/4 Court Sprint 3.22 vs 3.27
    In turn, here are the corresponding measurements (from 2007) for Beefcake McRoberts, who must weigh around 255 lbs now compared to Hansbrough at 235 (draft camp). Love, too, is about 255, (and, wow, a 3.22 sprint; impressive!), another reason for my suspicion that McRoberts is migrating to a PF/C (to back up Hibbert) role.

    Josh McRoberts
    Height w/o shoes: 6'8.75"
    Height w/ shoes: 6'10"
    Wingspan: 7'1
    No Step Vert: 27.5"
    Max Vert: 31.5"
    Bench Press: 12
    Lane Agility: 11.7
    3/4 Court Sprint: 3.47

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