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    Trade up (although extremly unlikely)
    Evans
    Rubio
    Hill

    Yay@13 (I actually like the potential of these guys)
    Holliday
    Jennings

    OK @ 13 (Best of a bad situation. Will at least add something to team)
    Twill
    Blair
    Johnson

    I'm ok with almost anybody if they acquire another pick. I have no desire to see them trade back to where none of the above players is available.

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    Guys that I think will be gone by the time the Pacers pick such as Rozen, Hill, etc I won't even bother to list.

    I will do the nahs first. There really isn't a lot of them because I think most prospects are on the same level from early-mid lottery towards the end of the first round.

    I would pass on:

    BJ Mullens, Jeff Teague, Austin Daye, and Chase Budinger.

    Also pas on:

    Johnny Flynn and Tyler Handsbourgh. I put these two seperate because I do like them but I question Flynn's small size and decision making abilities and Handsbourgh lack of szie and the fact that I just don't see him as a starter in the NBA. I want the Pacers to go for someone who they think will be good enough to start.

    In order of prefreance here are my yahs:

    1A. Eric Manyor: Experience, NBA ready, Clutch.
    2B. Derrick Brown: I haven't not talked about him much, no one has but I think he is a sleeper and if the Pacers can somehow pick this guy up I would be thrilled. I don't care if its with the 13th pick or late first round Derrick Brown would be high on my draft board if i'm the Pacers.
    3. Gerald Henderson: Lets be honest no matter what position the Pacers need defense bad. Drafting Henderson, who is NBA ready, allows the Pacers to not pick up Marquis's option and not worry to much about when Dunleavy comes back.
    4. Terrance Williams: Same as with Henderson.
    5. DeJuan Blair: You take him the hopes of him turning into Paul Millsap.

    Those would be the guys I target with Manyor and Brown the clear cut favorites.

    Others I would be ok with but have some serious question marks include Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, Earl Clark, and James Johnson.

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    Yea: An athletic player with quick feet and defensive upside.

    Nay: Anything short of this.

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    These are "Yays" who I see having an immediate and long term impact, in order of of my personal preference:

    1. James Johnson. I think he can be a perimeter "4" long term, and short term gives great versatility as a backup player getting big minutes behind all of Murphy, Granger, and Rush. I still believe he is the most likely player we will pick Thursday, although it is far from a sure thing. I like his strength, ability to score, and overall well rounded, mature game. He can be a "David West" type PF I think, and is a good fit for us and our current personnel in my judgment.

    2. Gerald Henderson. I think he will be a very very good perimeter defender on the ball, which is our biggest weakness I think. He can play backup minutes behind Granger and Rush, be able to defend some point guards as well, and is just very solid. Good citizen, smart player, fills a need, low bust potential. Also will give us someone who can score off the dribble, which on a team full of jump shooters is an important asset. Never going to be an all star, but will help you win in a few different ways.

    3. Terrence Williams. I've warmed up to Williams some since I wrote my review of him, not because I think he has suddenly gotten better or solved his weaknesses as a player, but because I once again have begun to remember how bad our perimeter defense has been for a while now. I think Williams could potentially be an all NBA first team defender in time, and give us some positional flexibility down the road. He, like Henderson, can give us back up minutes immediately for Granger and Rush, and probably if he pans out will be a better defender and rebounder than both of them. Again, this is us taking a backup player long term for us, but our roster is devoid enough of overall talent that I'm ok with that. Possibly, Williams might end up being a better passing version of Trevor Ariza, and since I've wanted us to get Ariza forever, It stands to reason I'd like Williams.

    This is a probable "Yay" I would be happy with, except I didn't do an extensive in depth review of him because I felt we had no chance to get him:

    4. Jordan Hill. Hill is really the only big man in this draft who seemingly could play at the same time as Hibbert, Foster, and Murphy all three (in limited minutes with Murphy right now admittedly). Hill has low probablilty of being a superstar from what I can see right now, but he will be a nice rotation player immediately for us, and a potential starter down the road at a position we are somewhat weak at. I think he has the ability to bulk up some in time and be able to play back up minutes at the "5" in a couple of years, helping the rosters long term flexibility.

    These are "yays" for point guards I'd be happy with long term, as long as we had a plan in place to move TJ Ford for a post/wing player and additional picks:

    5 (tie) Ty Lawson/Eric Maynor: Lawson definitely helps more now, and fits into our current style of play better than Maynor. Maynor has more long term flexibility to be a more traditional point guard in multiple systems I think, where as I think Lawson will only be above average in a very fast paced system. Lawson will definitely be a better player in year 1, Maynor may indeed pass him by year 3 or 4. Both I think are long term NBA starters at the point guard position for winning teams. I think it is extremely possible that the Pacers also rate these 2 players very highly.

    This is a "yay" for a point guard I have never seen play in person or on film, but if we take him I would have to trust our front office that he has star potential:

    6. Brandon Jennings. I personally wouldn't gamble like this with selecting him with the intent to keep him, but I tend to prefer older more mature point guards anyway. If we select him and keep him, I trust Bird and Morway enough to be able to endorse the selection as the long term best move, although I don't think he helps us at all in the short term.

    These are my "Nays", for various reasons I will explain:

    1. Earl Clark. Despite the fact that I like his potential as a shut down defender and that he can play immediate minutes in our front court, I do not like players who I have to question their effort, concentration, attention to detail, or work ethic. He could pan out to be a very good NBA player away from the controlling and hard to play for Rick Pitino, but I am not willing to gamble on that fact.

    2. Jrue Holliday. Again, I am not willing to gamble on a point guard who I havent seen play the position. Holliday looks like a small combination guard to me, and those are easy to obtain. I see little value in Holliday for our current or immediate future circumstances.

    3. (tie) BJ Mullins or Austin Daye. These guys are so far away from being NBA ready that to me they don't merit serious consideration for us. If I were a solid playoff team and had no immediate needs I could gamble on their potential, but we arent in that circumstance.

    4. Jonny Flynn. Looks like a spark plug off the bench point guard to me. I have serious defensive concerns, since I havent seen him play man to man defense in college. Size is another smaller concern, but not nearly as much as my defensive questions in general. Maybe private workouts would make me feel better about him, but obviously Im not privy to that information.

    5. DeJuan Blair. Blair is a definite "Nay" for me. I see him as a rebounding specialist only who will be a defensive liabilty, especially when paired with our current big guys. Not a very good fit for our current offensive scheme either. We need a player with a more well rounded game than that, despite his engaging personality. If I thought he would be a great defender that would change my mind, but I see him as a defensive liability who doesnt fit in here strictly from a defensive perspective.

    6. Chase Budinger. I didn't do an extensive review of him, because in the little I watched of him I didn't see him as anywhere close to a realistic option. He doesnt play smart, coasts from time to time, is as soft as Charmin, and doesn't help our team defensive ability at all. Good athlete but doesnt play hard all the time, doesnt help you win. Looks like a spot up shooter at best to me, which we don't need.


    Player I am on the fence about:

    1. Jeff Teague: He is from Indiana, is the best perimeter shooter in the draft, and I think he can get his own shot. He wants to play here I think, and I like his attitude. Maybe I am wrong and he can develop as a point guard......

    On the negative side, he is a small 2 guard, not a point guard at all to me at this level right now, and likely never will be. Bit of a gunner. Probably will top out as as a instant offense scoring guard off the bench, who gives you offense to help you about every other night. Small guards who a primary scorers are cheap and easy to find, and are very hard to build around I think. I'd be likely to pass on him even if I thought he was an ELITE small scoring 2 guard due to how hard it is to build around a guy like that, and Teague isn't going to be elite.

    So, as it stands, my "Pacers draft board currently would look like this I think, subject to change at this point:

    1. Johnson
    2 (tie) Henderson/Williams, just due to our roster situation and current weaknesses. Henderson is likely safer, Williams likely slightly more upside.
    3. Hill. (assuming that I actually liked him on film, which I didn't watch so I cant say)
    4. (tie) Lawson/Maynor, assuming I had a trade in place to move Ford.

    5. Jennings, assuming I am willing to let him set for a couple of years and do without any immediate help. (and assuming I watched and liked him on film....this is no question a pick based on potential, not production)

    Those are my top 7, probably in that order, as I currently write this on Sunday morning. I wish in retrospect I would have collected film on Hill, but I didn't, and now I am out of available personal time to present a full review of him.

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    These are "Yays" who I see having an immediate and long term impact, in order of of my personal preference:

    1. James Johnson. I think he can be a perimeter "4" long term, and short term gives great versatility as a backup player getting big minutes behind all of Murphy, Granger, and Rush. I still believe he is the most likely player we will pick Thursday, although it is far from a sure thing. I like his strength, ability to score, and overall well rounded, mature game. He can be a "David West" type PF I think, and is a good fit for us and our current personnel in my judgment.

    2. Gerald Henderson. I think he will be a very very good perimeter defender on the ball, which is our biggest weakness I think. He can play backup minutes behind Granger and Rush, be able to defend some point guards as well, and is just very solid. Good citizen, smart player, fills a need, low bust potential. Also will give us someone who can score off the dribble, which on a team full of jump shooters is an important asset. Never going to be an all star, but will help you win in a few different ways.

    3. Terrence Williams. I've warmed up to Williams some since I wrote my review of him, not because I think he has suddenly gotten better or solved his weaknesses as a player, but because I once again have begun to remember how bad our perimeter defense has been for a while now. I think Williams could potentially be an all NBA first team defender in time, and give us some positional flexibility down the road. He, like Henderson, can give us back up minutes immediately for Granger and Rush, and probably if he pans out will be a better defender and rebounder than both of them. Again, this is us taking a backup player long term for us, but our roster is devoid enough of overall talent that I'm ok with that. Possibly, Williams might end up being a better passing version of Trevor Ariza, and since I've wanted us to get Ariza forever, It stands to reason I'd like Williams.

    This is a probable "Yay" I would be happy with, except I didn't do an extensive in depth review of him because I felt we had no chance to get him:

    4. Jordan Hill. Hill is really the only big man in this draft who seemingly could play at the same time as Hibbert, Foster, and Murphy all three (in limited minutes with Murphy right now admittedly). Hill has low probablilty of being a superstar from what I can see right now, but he will be a nice rotation player immediately for us, and a potential starter down the road at a position we are somewhat weak at. I think he has the ability to bulk up some in time and be able to play back up minutes at the "5" in a couple of years, helping the rosters long term flexibility.

    These are "yays" for point guards I'd be happy with long term, as long as we had a plan in place to move TJ Ford for a post/wing player and additional picks:

    5 (tie) Ty Lawson/Eric Maynor: Lawson definitely helps more now, and fits into our current style of play better than Maynor. Maynor has more long term flexibility to be a more traditional point guard in multiple systems I think, where as I think Lawson will only be above average in a very fast paced system. Lawson will definitely be a better player in year 1, Maynor may indeed pass him by year 3 or 4. Both I think are long term NBA starters at the point guard position for winning teams. I think it is extremely possible that the Pacers also rate these 2 players very highly.

    This is a "yay" for a point guard I have never seen play in person or on film, but if we take him I would have to trust our front office that he has star potential:

    6. Brandon Jennings. I personally wouldn't gamble like this with selecting him with the intent to keep him, but I tend to prefer older more mature point guards anyway. If we select him and keep him, I trust Bird and Morway enough to be able to endorse the selection as the long term best move, although I don't think he helps us at all in the short term.

    These are my "Nays", for various reasons I will explain:

    1. Earl Clark. Despite the fact that I like his potential as a shut down defender and that he can play immediate minutes in our front court, I do not like players who I have to question their effort, concentration, attention to detail, or work ethic. He could pan out to be a very good NBA player away from the controlling and hard to play for Rick Pitino, but I am not willing to gamble on that fact.

    2. Jrue Holliday. Again, I am not willing to gamble on a point guard who I havent seen play the position. Holliday looks like a small combination guard to me, and those are easy to obtain. I see little value in Holliday for our current or immediate future circumstances.

    3. (tie) BJ Mullins or Austin Daye. These guys are so far away from being NBA ready that to me they don't merit serious consideration for us. If I were a solid playoff team and had no immediate needs I could gamble on their potential, but we arent in that circumstance.

    4. Jonny Flynn. Looks like a spark plug off the bench point guard to me. I have serious defensive concerns, since I havent seen him play man to man defense in college. Size is another smaller concern, but not nearly as much as my defensive questions in general. Maybe private workouts would make me feel better about him, but obviously Im not privy to that information.

    5. DeJuan Blair. Blair is a definite "Nay" for me. I see him as a rebounding specialist only who will be a defensive liabilty, especially when paired with our current big guys. Not a very good fit for our current offensive scheme either. We need a player with a more well rounded game than that, despite his engaging personality. If I thought he would be a great defender that would change my mind, but I see him as a defensive liability who doesnt fit in here strictly from a defensive perspective.

    6. Chase Budinger. I didn't do an extensive review of him, because in the little I watched of him I didn't see him as anywhere close to a realistic option. He doesnt play smart, coasts from time to time, is as soft as Charmin, and doesn't help our team defensive ability at all. Good athlete but doesnt play hard all the time, doesnt help you win. Looks like a spot up shooter at best to me, which we don't need.


    Player I am on the fence about:

    1. Jeff Teague: He is from Indiana, is the best perimeter shooter in the draft, and I think he can get his own shot. He wants to play here I think, and I like his attitude. Maybe I am wrong and he can develop as a point guard......

    On the negative side, he is a small 2 guard, not a point guard at all to me at this level right now, and likely never will be. Bit of a gunner. Probably will top out as as a instant offense scoring guard off the bench, who gives you offense to help you about every other night. Small guards who a primary scorers are cheap and easy to find, and are very hard to build around I think. I'd be likely to pass on him even if I thought he was an ELITE small scoring 2 guard due to how hard it is to build around a guy like that, and Teague isn't going to be elite.

    So, as it stands, my "Pacers draft board currently would look like this I think, subject to change at this point:

    1. Johnson
    2 (tie) Henderson/Williams, just due to our roster situation and current weaknesses. Henderson is likely safer, Williams likely slightly more upside.
    3. Hill. (assuming that I actually liked him on film, which I didn't watch so I cant say)
    4. (tie) Lawson/Maynor, assuming I had a trade in place to move Ford.

    5. Jennings, assuming I am willing to let him set for a couple of years and do without any immediate help. (and assuming I watched and liked him on film....this is no question a pick based on potential, not production)

    Those are my top 7, probably in that order, as I currently write this on Sunday morning. I wish in retrospect I would have collected film on Hill, but I didn't, and now I am out of available personal time to present a full review of him.

    Tbird
    In light of the Chad Ford Insider article from Sunday:

    "The Pacers seem to be leaning toward going with either a point guard (Jennings, Maynor, Lawson or, if one of them falls, Jrue Holiday or Jonny Flynn) or one of two big guys, Blair and Hansbrough."

    Where would you rate Hansbrough?
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    Yeas:
    Jonny Flynn
    Sam Young
    Brandon Jennings
    Jordan Hill - Wishful thinking that he will slip this far.
    Dejuan Blair
    Jrue Holliday

    Nays:
    Clark
    JJohnson
    Hansborough
    GHenderson
    Daye
    Curry
    Mullens

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    WTF?


    I don't care where these players are being projected in the draft for other teams. I'm interested at #13 for the PACERS, and I don't feel either one is worthy of a #13 pick. You are more than welcome to have a difference of opinion and disagree.

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    Much is dependent on what we do in conjuntion with the draft, if anything. That said;
    YAY (In Order):
    Brandon Jennings
    Ty Lawson
    James Johnson
    Terrence Williams
    Jrue Holiday

    MEH:
    Gerald Henderson
    Eric Maynor
    Jonny Flynn
    Earl Clark
    Dejuan Blair
    Austin Daye
    Tyler Hansborough

    NAY:
    Chase Budinger
    Jeff Teague
    Demarr DeRozan
    BJ Mullens

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    In light of the Chad Ford Insider article from Sunday:

    "The Pacers seem to be leaning toward going with either a point guard (Jennings, Maynor, Lawson or, if one of them falls, Jrue Holiday or Jonny Flynn) or one of two big guys, Blair and Hansbrough."

    Where would you rate Hansbrough?

    I always take Chad Ford with a giant grain of salt....I do not think he is overly reliable.

    As far as Hansborough goes, I think he projects long term as a great teammate, energy guy, back up 4 type. He lacks lateral quickness to guard perimeter 4 guys, and size and strength and jumping ability to guard powerful bigs inside.

    He will get you hustle points, and help your team from an attitude and culture standpoint. I think he ends up being a nice pick and pop guy, and will have the ability face up and hit the open 15 footer. He won't have the skill or ability to ever post up and score over someone, and I think he will get his shot blocked alot until he figures out how to play inside. I think he isn't a very good passer, and likely won't be a for a while. He will be much better for a team who plays either up tempo, or in an extreme structure that suits him like Utah perhaps.

    I think the Pacers have a similar player already in Josh McRoberts.

    Hansborough looks like a PJ Brown type, 4th big man, 9th player overall in a rotation type at best to me, although that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Defensively I don't think he brings much vaue at this time, and on offense I think he will be limited and easier to guard than you would think.

    I think their are better options for the Pacers at#13, but he might make sense in a trade back scenario I suppose.

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    I value a lot of the opinions on this board, and I'm not single out any one poster, and I know everyone's has their own opinion, but it BAFFLES me how some of you respond about Tyler Hansbrough.

    This kid was the player of the year in college basketball in 2007 and was one of the top guys this past year! And it's not like he accomplished then by shooting jump shots!

    He's play inside with heart, maturity and an aggressiveness that so many are praising Dejuan Blair for! Why b/c the Tyler is a couple years older? B/c Tyler's already reached his potential? So you can't get stronger and work on your game at 22-23 years old?

    You're not the player of the year at any level simply b/c you hustle more. The IU men's basketball team was full of guys that hustled, but you also have to have talent and know how to play the game and that's what's Hansbrough does.

    Some say Hansbrough doesn't have the size? How tall is a PF suppose to be? It's not like you can't lift weights in the NBA.

    I also have to say I think Hansbrough is a way better player then Josh McRoberts. I'm a fan of McRoberts. I like the spark and hustle he brings off the bench, and I think the kid can improve, but Hansbrough is ALREADY better then him! He simply has more talent. More offense game, more post moves, and better mid range shot, and he's good at drawing fouls to get to the free throw line.

    I think he's more David Lee then Josh McRoberts or Jeff Foster.

    I guess only time will tell, but I'm on board

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    If your college career reliably translated to NBA success, Tyler would be the #1 pick. And I'm not discounting playing at the highest NCAA levels and succeeding.

    That said, there's a sound reason he's not a fave around here. The Pacers are not very athletic. With a couple exceptions, we're chock full of slow-footed players who are a step late defensively all over. And we're particularly weak in the frontcourt on this. Jeff Foster is a veteran on the downside of his career, and he STILL moves better than our other bigs.

    Tyler may be the best player available, and if he is, so be it. But's he's a 6'8" slowfoot who probably can't defend SF's. So now he's an NBA big man who isn't particularly big, fast, or strong. His energy and intangibles might make for a quality rotation guy. Problem is, teams are hoping to find potential "someday" starters in the top half of round 1. Tyler is unlikely to be that kind of player.

    Hey, everyone is a guesser at this point. Maybe Tyler's intensity and intangibles translate into a really good pro instead of a tweener.
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    Yay:

    Jrue Holiday
    Brandon Jennings
    DeJuan Blair
    James Johnson
    Gerald Henderson
    Jordan Hill

    Nay:

    Ty Lawson
    Tyler Hansbrough
    Earl Clark
    Terrence Williams
    Jeff Teague
    Johnny Flynn
    Austin Daye
    BJ Mullens

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    I value a lot of the opinions on this board, and I'm not single out any one poster, and I know everyone's has their own opinion, but it BAFFLES me how some of you respond about Tyler Hansbrough.

    This kid was the player of the year in college basketball in 2007 and was one of the top guys this past year! And it's not like he accomplished then by shooting jump shots!

    He's play inside with heart, maturity and an aggressiveness that so many are praising Dejuan Blair for! Why b/c the Tyler is a couple years older? B/c Tyler's already reached his potential? So you can't get stronger and work on your game at 22-23 years old?

    You're not the player of the year at any level simply b/c you hustle more. The IU men's basketball team was full of guys that hustled, but you also have to have talent and know how to play the game and that's what's Hansbrough does.

    Some say Hansbrough doesn't have the size? How tall is a PF suppose to be? It's not like you can't lift weights in the NBA.

    I also have to say I think Hansbrough is a way better player then Josh McRoberts. I'm a fan of McRoberts. I like the spark and hustle he brings off the bench, and I think the kid can improve, but Hansbrough is ALREADY better then him! He simply has more talent. More offense game, more post moves, and better mid range shot, and he's good at drawing fouls to get to the free throw line.

    I think he's more David Lee then Josh McRoberts or Jeff Foster.

    I guess only time will tell, but I'm on board


    JJ Redick was college player of the year as well I believe. I'm sure there's even better examples CPY that don't exactly...excel in the NBA.
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    JJ Redick was college player of the year as well I believe. I'm sure there's even better examples CPY that don't exactly...excel in the NBA.

    JJ Redick was strictly a jump shooter. That's why I said not accomplished by jump shots.

    And let's look at recent players of the year other then Redick

    Blake Griffin
    Tyler Hansbrough
    Kevin Durant
    Andrew Bogut
    Jameer Nelson
    TJ Ford
    Jason Williams (motorcycle accident)
    Shane Battier
    Kenyon Martin
    Elton Brand
    Antawn Jamison
    Tim Duncan
    Marcus Camby

    This dates back to 1996, and you could argue that aside from Jason Williams, every single one of those players have been solid in the NBA.

    You could actually date all the way back to win the award was first given out to Lew Alcindor in 1969 and still only come alway with a handful, maybe close to two handfuls of players that weren't solid players that made an impact in the NBA

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    I value a lot of the opinions on this board, and I'm not single out any one poster, and I know everyone's has their own opinion, but it BAFFLES me how some of you respond about Tyler Hansbrough.

    This kid was the player of the year in college basketball in 2007 and was one of the top guys this past year! And it's not like he accomplished then by shooting jump shots!

    He's play inside with heart, maturity and an aggressiveness that so many are praising Dejuan Blair for! Why b/c the Tyler is a couple years older? B/c Tyler's already reached his potential? So you can't get stronger and work on your game at 22-23 years old?

    You're not the player of the year at any level simply b/c you hustle more. The IU men's basketball team was full of guys that hustled, but you also have to have talent and know how to play the game and that's what's Hansbrough does.

    Some say Hansbrough doesn't have the size? How tall is a PF suppose to be? It's not like you can't lift weights in the NBA.

    I also have to say I think Hansbrough is a way better player then Josh McRoberts. I'm a fan of McRoberts. I like the spark and hustle he brings off the bench, and I think the kid can improve, but Hansbrough is ALREADY better then him! He simply has more talent. More offense game, more post moves, and better mid range shot, and he's good at drawing fouls to get to the free throw line.

    I think he's more David Lee then Josh McRoberts or Jeff Foster.

    I guess only time will tell, but I'm on board
    Here is why I am against him.

    Big men in the NBA seem to be more and more athletic. I question Tyler's ability to move his feet quick enough to keep up. Not only that but I don't think he is the wingspan to make up for it.

    You are right Tyler does have talent. He does everything you can ask for in a player and then some. But i'd have serious questions about his athetic ability and size. I don't think he is turtle like slow and he isn't Austin Daye like small but he is just right in the middle.

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    Hansbrough is 6'10", not 6'8".

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    Default Re: Go on the record: Yays and Nays for the Draft

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    The way it is with this draft, with players from 4 to 24 pretty much of the same value I'll be satisfied with whoever they take.
    Agreed.....

    Lawson or Blair will be fine, leaning toward Blair.
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    Default Re: Go on the record: Yays and Nays for the Draft

    Yays: Jrue Holiday, Brandon Jennings, DeJuan Blair, Jonny Flynn, Gerald Henderson, Earl Clark
    Nays: Ty Lawson, Tyler Hansbrough, BJ Mullens, James Johnson, Chase Budinger

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    Default Re: Go on the record: Yays and Nays for the Draft

    Yays
    Tyreke Evans
    Stephen Curry
    Jordan Hill
    Jrue Holliday
    Dejaun Blair
    Jonny Flynn
    Tyler Hansbrough
    Eric Maynor
    Gerald Henderson
    Ty Lawson
    BJ Mullens

    Nays
    Brandon Jennings
    Demar Derozan
    Terrence Willams
    James Johnson
    Jeff Teague
    Austin Daye
    Earl Clark
    Chase Budinger
    Last edited by JHcutt18; 06-22-2009 at 03:18 PM.

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    Default Re: Go on the record: Yays and Nays for the Draft

    I'm pretty confused, really. I watch a fair amount of college ball but I have learned that it doesn't necessarily help, that a number of people can excel in the NBA just based upon their talent but only a few have the drive, work ethic, and will to keep getting better rather than enjoying the good life once the checks roll in.


    Trouble is, it is darned hard to identify those people, so sometimes you just guess by how hard they play.

    Yays: My gut tells me I'll be happy with Jennings, Blair, Henderson, Johnson, or Maynor.

    Nays: I like Hansbrough but I think #13 is a big reach for him, though his stock seems to have risen such that now way does he slide past #20 or so. I'd be mildly disappointed. More disappointing: Budinger to me has big bust potential, along with Austin Daye and perhaps Earl Clark. Teague to me is another possible overreach, so I hope the hometown appeal doesn't come into play. He'd be a fine pick in the 20's.

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    Default Re: Go on the record: Yays and Nays for the Draft

    with just 13 yays are earl clark, jennings, or blair (i change my mind everyday with blair)

    nays at 13 are psycho t, daye, mullens

    i wish we could trade our picks for demarre carroll, danny green, and marcus thornton somehow.

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