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  • Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

    Just a heads up the Brandon Jennings and Eric Maynor have their interviews up on Pacers.com

    Both had pretty good interviews. I don't know why, but Maynor reminds me of Billups whenever I see him. Not saying he's the next Billups, but there's just something about him that reminds me of Chauncey


    http://my.nba.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5800027233

    Thirty-six players down, six more to go.

    Do we have any better idea of who the Pacers are going to draft than before the workouts began?

    We might. But I don't.

    One of the players widely projected to the Pacers at No. 13, Brandon Jennings, worked out today, which no doubt will fuel even more speculation he's their guy.

    If you're into such things, Jennings did appear to drop something of a hint.

    Asked what range of teams he was working out for, Jennings said, "four through eight."

    Catching himself before the obvious follow-up question could be asked, Jennings quickly added, "I worked out here just in case. You never know what's going to happen in the draft.

    "I just wanted to show the Pacers if they're looking for a point guard and I'm still on the board, I would like to be taken."

    Many experts believe that's exactly where they're looking. Jennings isn't one to disagree.

    "They're saying they are looking for a point guard," he said. "So, hopefully, we'll see what happens."

    Quick bio: Jennings was the national high school player of the year in 2007-08, averaging 35.5 points, 6.8 assists and 3.2 steals at Oak Hill Academy. He signed with Arizona but encountered admissions difficulties and opted to take the unprecedented step of turning pro in Europe instead, signing with Lottomatica Roma (Italy).

    (Quick aside: one of his teammates was none other than The Llama himself, Primoz Brezec, who averaged 9.4 points and 4.4 rebounds)

    Modest stats in Italy not a deterrent

    He posted modest statistics (7.6 points, 1.6 assists) in 16 Euroleague games but scouts weren't deterred because his team had other quality point guards (including former hot prospect Sani Becirovic) and the coach played a tightly controlled system that did not allow his open-court talents to flourish.

    Larry Bird generally doesn't get too excited about teen-aged prospects but Jennings' European experience, including the adjustment to a new culture, makes him more advanced than most 19-year-olds.

    I'm still not sure he'd fit with the Pacers because he seems a younger version of T.J. Ford, but Jennings is one of the most intriguing prospects in this draft because of his freakish athleticism and knack for the spectacular.

    "A lot of the things I learned were off the court," Jennings said. "I learned how to take care of my responsibilities, do things on time, be a responsible adult.

    "You really don't know how good you have it until you step out of your boundaries and go to a different country or live in a different place. I'm really thankful I'm an American."

    Maynor believes he's "NBA-ready"

    The other top point guard to visit Thursday was Eric Maynor of Virginia Commonwealth, who offered an interesting contrast to Jennings in that he is a proven four-year college performer who carried his program to national prominence.

    He has the requisite size (6-3, although a slender 165) and resume. The two-time Colonial Athletic Association Player of the Year was a big-game standout, scoring 21 against UCLA in the NCAA Tournament this past March and hitting the game-winning jumper to beat Duke in the first round his sophomore year.

    "I'm mature and I'm ready," he said. "I'm NBA-ready. I think, coming out of school four years, I learned a lot."

    In the weeks since, though he has fared well in workouts, he hasn't exactly enjoyed the grueling process.

    "It's a dream of mine to play in the NBA," he said, "but one thing that's not a dream to do is ride in small planes and go from city to city and as soon as you get off (the plane), you've got to go work out.

    "But that's the price you've got to pay if you want to be a pro."

    Hansbrough, Henderson in Friday

    Two ACC standouts headline the final workout of the week Friday in Conseco Fieldhouse, as North Carolina's Tyler Hansbrough and Duke's Gerald Henderson will be evaluated by the Pacers' basketball staff.

    Hansbrough, who averaged 20.7 points and 8.1 rebounds for the national champions, has been climbing draft boards after exhibiting surprising athleticism in workouts. The 6-4 Henderson, who averaged 16.5 points for the Blue Devils, has been a popular mock-draft projection for the Pacers at No. 13.

    Also due in are Cedric Jackson (Cleveland State), Kevin Rogers (Baylor), Anthony Smith (Liberty) and Scott VanderMeer (Illinois-Chicago).
    Last edited by pwee31; 06-18-2009, 06:58 PM.

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    I'm liking Jennings more and more. I am really hoping he drops to us at 13...

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      Re: Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

      Jennings sounds tempting...

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        I'd agree, both had good interviews. I always think Jennings comes off as more mature than I'd expect. It seems like Italy really was an eye opening experience. He's got great talent, we'll just see if he keeps it together. Part of me still feels like he just knows how to interview well, and isn't as mature as he seems. But the reports out of Italy were that he just kept working hard despite the lack of playing time.

        Maynor seems solid. I have thought for a while now that we are going to have a good draft night. I think we'll walk away with some good players. I'd be happy with a few of the PGs that could be available, particularly Lawson and perhaps Jennings depending on what the "master plan" is. I'm excited.

        I think someone will take a chance on Jennings before us. His upside is very high. I could see NYK or GSW liking him a lot.

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          Yeah, they both look pretty good to me – did a quick crash course on youtube on video of both of their games after watching the Pacer interviews. Jennings has great handles and is a human highlight reel waiting to happen. He reminds me a bit of Allen Iverson. In the video I watched of Maynor where he takes over the game against GW, he really looked like someone you want in crunch time to get the win. I think I would be happy with both, but still hoping for Blair at 13.
          Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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            Re: Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

            You have probably seen these but here you go again Youtube vids on Maynor and Jennings:

            Jennings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXJvsWEmcw

            Maynor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCE2XV1or3A
            Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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              Re: Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

              LOL @ anyone complaining about getting Jennings at #13. And FTR there were plenty of people in this boat about 10 days ago. He's got his own thread devoted to him about why the Pacers shouldn't draft him.

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                Re: Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

                Originally posted by odeez View Post
                You have probably seen these but here you go again Youtube vids on Maynor and Jennings:

                Jennings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXJvsWEmcw

                Maynor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCE2XV1or3A


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                  Re: Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

                  I was being too lazy to embed the vids, thanks again!
                  Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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                    Re: Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

                    Yep, Jennings is my dream pick at #13. If Jonny Flynn goes at #4 to Sacramento (seriously, I've read reports that say he is at the top of their draft board right now), then it has a very real chance of happening.

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                      Re: Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

                      I'm an optimist so if we ended up with Jennings I'd look at his positives (passing, athleticism). However, as of right now, he's not at the top of my wish list. He comes across as the typical immature prima donna that flames out due to, basically, being a little boy in a man's league.

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                      • #12
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                        As long as Bird thinks Jennings' attitude is either overblown, misunderstood, or can be kept in check by Granger and co., then bring him on. Sounds like a pretty good talent.

                        If that's how it shakes out, I hope we are getting smoke blown up our asses like we did multiple times this decade.

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                          Re: Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

                          I updated my original post to add what Conrad had to say. He also mentions that Hansbrough and Henderson will be in town tomorrow!

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                            I'm a Jennings fan and would definitely be at Conseco more if he somehow ended up here. I made a Virtus Roma mix for anyone who is interested.

                            He obviously acquired his share of critics over his decision to play in Europe and his subsequent struggles, however at times he did show flashes of his great ability and potential. He's a joy to watch. I still think people are underrating the magnitude of a 19 year old point guard at 6'1, 165 jumping from Highschool to the freakin' Euroleague, where it is a big man's game.

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                              Re: Jennings and Maynor workout for Pacers

                              You're not alone on the Maynor-Billups comparison. I've felt the same way. I think it's that they look fairly similar and both are apt to hit the big shot.

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