With just 9 days to go until the 2009 NBA draft begins, I wanted to wrap up the draft notebook with some blurbs on some other players I took notes on, but either didnt have enough film on, or didn't project them to be seriously considered by Indiana. In a couple of cases, I just ran out of time to do something in depth on them like I would have liked. Before I clear out my draft notes however, the list below were the players I went over in excruciating detail.
1. Ty Lawson
2. Gerald Henderson
3. Jrue Holiday
4. DeJuan Blair
5. Jonny Flynn
6. Jeff Teague
7. Eric Maynor
8. Earl Clark
9. James Johnson
10. Terrence Williams
I lacked film of Brandon Jennings, who appears to be a possibility for us at #13 as I write this, so I did not profile him.
I also chose not to spend time on players who I feel have no chance to drop to us, nor was I able to do a complete breakdown of all the players that were requested of me to do by many of you reading this board.
Despite the lack of ability and time to do my normal long winded breakdowns, I do have some wrap up thoughts on some of the players I didn't get to that I wanted to post.
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AUSTIN DAYE is a intriguing player with some pretty good potential. He has long arms, great height, and looks like he might be a decent NBA player someday. However, his extreme lack of strength and weight mean to me that he is years away from being able to help a team compete. He will need 2-3 years before he is able to even compete against some of the NBA bodies he will need to. I think he projects as a long and lean NBA small forward off someone's bench someday, maybe like Outlaw from Portland. Despite some mock drafts having us taking Daye, I see absolutely zero chance of that actually happening. Teams that think more long term or that have multiple picks may take a chance on him though. I think he made the right move coming out, as he won't get the type of coaching and competition to help him improve playing at Gonzaga.
TYLER HANSBOROUGH will be a decent NBA player that your coaching staff is always glad to have on your team. He will help you in practice as a guy who will push your veterans to play hard, and he has some skills to really help a team as a bench role player. He is exceptional fast at changing ends, and he will be among the league leaders in garbage points if he plays enough. On cold February nights during a stretch of 3 games in 4 nights, he will come in and spark a team to a victory with his hustle and hard play. Fundamentally his footwork with the ball is excellent, despite the fact that he can't score over anyone bigger than him at this level I don't think. Utah makes alot of sense at #20 for him, and teams on either side of them may also be interested. He reminds me alot of a Luis Scola type player.
BJ MULLINS sucks right now, quite frankly. He is weak, immature, not fundamentally sound, not a student of the game it appears, and probably has no business being in the draft at all. He can't hold his ground, doesnt have basketball instincts, and looks like a guy who only plays basketball because he is tall and is good, not because he loves it. His family is poor and he entered the draft mainly for financial reasons, so for that reason I hope he makes it, and that this move works out for him. He is 3 years away at least from being able to play in the league with any regularity of effectiveness in my opinion. The best place for him to land would be Minnesota, so he can learn under Kevin McHale in a low pressure atmosphere. At his very top side, he might end up being Darko Milicec or Joel Pryzbilla.
WAYNE ELLINGTON is a limited player, but one who has the great skill of being able to make alot of jump shots, as he has a very sweet stroke from the perimeter, maybe the best in the entire draft. His future success is almost completely dependent on which team he ends up with, and he is set up for success potentially because he likely will go to a playoff team in the later first round....although once again I see Minnesota as a good fit at #28 perhaps. Oklahoma City, who needs players that can space the floor, makes sense to me as well. Ellington reminds me some of Craig Hodges, ex Chicago Bull.
SAM YOUNG from Pittsburgh will be a nice, tough minded defensive stopper in the league I think. He isn't a ballhandler really, but many teams with dominant type point guards really won't need him to be. Young will add a certain toughness and swagger to a team that I really like. To me, Young makes alot of sense for the Hornets at #21, who need younger legs on the wings, and who may end up trying to trade James Posey to a contender in order to save money. He also could potentially slip to the beginning of the second round, where I would suspect some team would move up to get him.
CHASE BUDINGER is a player we are rumored to be be interested in....I just don't see it. He is athletic, runs well, moves well, etc etc. But I don't see him as a great basketball player, he is just an athletic kid who I'm not sure loves to play. He can shoot well, and has a nice high release from the perimeter which is fun to watch. He doesnt seem to me to be able either to cut well or to be able to handle the ball well, so that leaves him as a spot up shooter type. Budinger would be a great fit perhaps for Philadelphia at #17, but I think that is too high for him personally. The Lakers at #29 seem like a good match to me, as Budinger would be a really good fit in the triangle offense, and as Trevor Ariza free agency insurance. Brent Barry seems to be the common comparable, and I can see that.
TAJ GIBSON isnt going to be a starter, but I suspect he will be able to stay in the league for a while. Looks like a Josh Powell type to me. As in dire need as we are for anyone athletic and long on the front line, I wouldnt be suprised if we at least considered trying to cheaply buy a pick from Cleveland at the very bottom of the first round to look at a guy like Gibson, who would make our team I believe.
DANNY GREEN I think is going to be a nice second round pick up for someone....I like his all around game, and think he was overshadowed by some really great players in the North Carolina program.
DARREN COLLISON drove me nuts watching him on offense for UCLA, but I really really like his defensive pedigree and quickness. I think he makes a nice second round pick as a defensive point guard specialist...he can help you guard a Rondo/Parker/Paul type ultra quick point guard. I think he likely will end up with a smart team, such as the Lakers, who need someone who can defend the quicker point guards badly.....it was their biggest team weakness.
RODRIGUE BEAUBOIS looks on paper like a fascinating second round prospect, if for no other reason than just his measurables. I've obviously never seen the young man play, but if he has any ability to play at all I bet he'd be alot of fun to watch, if for no other reason than just to watch him play defense with that gigantic wingspan. Any point guard with a wingspan like an NBA power forward would have to be considered I think, and I bet whoever takes him will be able to leave him in Europe while he develops.
If any of you have any other comments on players I didn't do a full profile on please feel free to add them here. Or, if any of you saw the list of players above more than I did and have any impressions of them you can share, please do that as well.
Thanks to all of you who said or wrote such nice things to me in regards to these individual draft analysis threads. I'll have a couple of more postings in regards to the draft before next Thursday, including one discussing the lost of "NBA present and past comparables" I came up with for each player, and possibly a mock draft of my own next Tuesday or Wednesday.
At some point, all of us, just for fun, need to call our own shot in regards to who we think we both SHOULD and WILL take in the draft this year. Just for the record, I'm on board officially with saying that our single best selection/best fit/best player at #13 is James Johnson. I am still unclear if that is what I think we WILL do, but I think that is what we SHOULD do, if he is on the board still when we pick.
As always, the above is just my opinion.
Tbird
1. Ty Lawson
2. Gerald Henderson
3. Jrue Holiday
4. DeJuan Blair
5. Jonny Flynn
6. Jeff Teague
7. Eric Maynor
8. Earl Clark
9. James Johnson
10. Terrence Williams
I lacked film of Brandon Jennings, who appears to be a possibility for us at #13 as I write this, so I did not profile him.
I also chose not to spend time on players who I feel have no chance to drop to us, nor was I able to do a complete breakdown of all the players that were requested of me to do by many of you reading this board.
Despite the lack of ability and time to do my normal long winded breakdowns, I do have some wrap up thoughts on some of the players I didn't get to that I wanted to post.
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AUSTIN DAYE is a intriguing player with some pretty good potential. He has long arms, great height, and looks like he might be a decent NBA player someday. However, his extreme lack of strength and weight mean to me that he is years away from being able to help a team compete. He will need 2-3 years before he is able to even compete against some of the NBA bodies he will need to. I think he projects as a long and lean NBA small forward off someone's bench someday, maybe like Outlaw from Portland. Despite some mock drafts having us taking Daye, I see absolutely zero chance of that actually happening. Teams that think more long term or that have multiple picks may take a chance on him though. I think he made the right move coming out, as he won't get the type of coaching and competition to help him improve playing at Gonzaga.
TYLER HANSBOROUGH will be a decent NBA player that your coaching staff is always glad to have on your team. He will help you in practice as a guy who will push your veterans to play hard, and he has some skills to really help a team as a bench role player. He is exceptional fast at changing ends, and he will be among the league leaders in garbage points if he plays enough. On cold February nights during a stretch of 3 games in 4 nights, he will come in and spark a team to a victory with his hustle and hard play. Fundamentally his footwork with the ball is excellent, despite the fact that he can't score over anyone bigger than him at this level I don't think. Utah makes alot of sense at #20 for him, and teams on either side of them may also be interested. He reminds me alot of a Luis Scola type player.
BJ MULLINS sucks right now, quite frankly. He is weak, immature, not fundamentally sound, not a student of the game it appears, and probably has no business being in the draft at all. He can't hold his ground, doesnt have basketball instincts, and looks like a guy who only plays basketball because he is tall and is good, not because he loves it. His family is poor and he entered the draft mainly for financial reasons, so for that reason I hope he makes it, and that this move works out for him. He is 3 years away at least from being able to play in the league with any regularity of effectiveness in my opinion. The best place for him to land would be Minnesota, so he can learn under Kevin McHale in a low pressure atmosphere. At his very top side, he might end up being Darko Milicec or Joel Pryzbilla.
WAYNE ELLINGTON is a limited player, but one who has the great skill of being able to make alot of jump shots, as he has a very sweet stroke from the perimeter, maybe the best in the entire draft. His future success is almost completely dependent on which team he ends up with, and he is set up for success potentially because he likely will go to a playoff team in the later first round....although once again I see Minnesota as a good fit at #28 perhaps. Oklahoma City, who needs players that can space the floor, makes sense to me as well. Ellington reminds me some of Craig Hodges, ex Chicago Bull.
SAM YOUNG from Pittsburgh will be a nice, tough minded defensive stopper in the league I think. He isn't a ballhandler really, but many teams with dominant type point guards really won't need him to be. Young will add a certain toughness and swagger to a team that I really like. To me, Young makes alot of sense for the Hornets at #21, who need younger legs on the wings, and who may end up trying to trade James Posey to a contender in order to save money. He also could potentially slip to the beginning of the second round, where I would suspect some team would move up to get him.
CHASE BUDINGER is a player we are rumored to be be interested in....I just don't see it. He is athletic, runs well, moves well, etc etc. But I don't see him as a great basketball player, he is just an athletic kid who I'm not sure loves to play. He can shoot well, and has a nice high release from the perimeter which is fun to watch. He doesnt seem to me to be able either to cut well or to be able to handle the ball well, so that leaves him as a spot up shooter type. Budinger would be a great fit perhaps for Philadelphia at #17, but I think that is too high for him personally. The Lakers at #29 seem like a good match to me, as Budinger would be a really good fit in the triangle offense, and as Trevor Ariza free agency insurance. Brent Barry seems to be the common comparable, and I can see that.
TAJ GIBSON isnt going to be a starter, but I suspect he will be able to stay in the league for a while. Looks like a Josh Powell type to me. As in dire need as we are for anyone athletic and long on the front line, I wouldnt be suprised if we at least considered trying to cheaply buy a pick from Cleveland at the very bottom of the first round to look at a guy like Gibson, who would make our team I believe.
DANNY GREEN I think is going to be a nice second round pick up for someone....I like his all around game, and think he was overshadowed by some really great players in the North Carolina program.
DARREN COLLISON drove me nuts watching him on offense for UCLA, but I really really like his defensive pedigree and quickness. I think he makes a nice second round pick as a defensive point guard specialist...he can help you guard a Rondo/Parker/Paul type ultra quick point guard. I think he likely will end up with a smart team, such as the Lakers, who need someone who can defend the quicker point guards badly.....it was their biggest team weakness.
RODRIGUE BEAUBOIS looks on paper like a fascinating second round prospect, if for no other reason than just his measurables. I've obviously never seen the young man play, but if he has any ability to play at all I bet he'd be alot of fun to watch, if for no other reason than just to watch him play defense with that gigantic wingspan. Any point guard with a wingspan like an NBA power forward would have to be considered I think, and I bet whoever takes him will be able to leave him in Europe while he develops.
If any of you have any other comments on players I didn't do a full profile on please feel free to add them here. Or, if any of you saw the list of players above more than I did and have any impressions of them you can share, please do that as well.
Thanks to all of you who said or wrote such nice things to me in regards to these individual draft analysis threads. I'll have a couple of more postings in regards to the draft before next Thursday, including one discussing the lost of "NBA present and past comparables" I came up with for each player, and possibly a mock draft of my own next Tuesday or Wednesday.
At some point, all of us, just for fun, need to call our own shot in regards to who we think we both SHOULD and WILL take in the draft this year. Just for the record, I'm on board officially with saying that our single best selection/best fit/best player at #13 is James Johnson. I am still unclear if that is what I think we WILL do, but I think that is what we SHOULD do, if he is on the board still when we pick.
As always, the above is just my opinion.
Tbird
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