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    Ok, I know there are a few threads floating around on laptop suggestions, but none really gives me the answer I am looking for.

    Basically, I want to purchase a new laptop. It will basically just be a personal laptop, not used for gaming. Money is not an issue. Based on my preliminary research, I'm leaning towards just getting a Macbook Pro now that Apple dropped the price by $300.

    Should I be looking at any other options? I've never owned a Mac but I figure what the hell. But if there is a better PC, I'm all ears...

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    NO, there's no reason to buy a different laptop based on what you've said - and the great thing is that you can load windows right on there and have the best of both worlds.

    I use both Apple and PCs, and I am not particularly biased either way when it comes to getting done what you need to get done. Strictly talking about hardware, Apple makes the best machine on the market by a long shot.

    Be certain to get an apple either from an Apple store or directly from apple online (do not buy from a reseller like best buy - this Fs-up the warranty and repair process). Also without question you must get the 3-year apple care.
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    Thanks. I guess I subconsciously made this thread for someone to give me a reason not to buy a mac.

    Also, why is the Apple Care such a necessity? I usually don't buy extended warranties on stuff unless its exceedingly cheap. I think for the MBP it is something like $350. Just curious what makes it worth the price.

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    Especially if it's the best hardware known to man.

    I have heard not to upgrade the RAM from Apple, but to buy is separately and install it yourself.

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    Thanks. I guess I subconsciously made this thread for someone to give me a reason not to buy a mac.

    Also, why is the Apple Care such a necessity? I usually don't buy extended warranties on stuff unless its exceedingly cheap. I think for the MBP it is something like $350. Just curious what makes it worth the price.
    Always get the extended warranty on a laptop. Everything is highly integrated so repairs are not cheap at all.

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    Always get the extended warranty on a laptop. Everything is highly integrated so repairs are not cheap at all.
    That's ridiculous. $350 for the warranty would be better used toward a new laptop if it really turned out to be that big of a lemon. Unless you're some clod who doesn't know the power button from the caps lock key and risk breaking a computer just by going near one, warranties are a huge waste of money.

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    Warranties on anything are usually a waste of money. This is evidenced by how hard the salespeople try to get you to sign up for them. It ain't to help you out.

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    Why the apple care warranty?

    I'll tell you guys why. This week, (i think) my video card blew on my previous generation 17". I'm just a few months from being out of warranty, so I took it in. went to the mac store, and they ran diagnostics. Turns out the battery was going, going, gone as well. They walked over got a new battery, plugged it in - BOOM one small form, and that was fixed without me even knowing it was a problem. On to the dead screen. We filled out the paper and gave it to them. I got a call yesterday: option A) we don't have the necessary parts for the repair of your laptop, if you want that machine and only that machine, we can back order the video chipset and call you in a week or two if it comes in. Option B) or you can come right now and we will give you a brand new 17" MBP. We have your old machine, and we'll transfer all of your software, files and settings for you.

    Obviously, I'm taking option B.

    And it only cost me $350.

    Apple care provides a level of service and support I have never experienced with any other computer company.

    Worth. Every. Penny.
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    And it if it would have happened two months from now, how worth it would it have been?

    For every story like yours there is a number of stories like mine. I'd be interested to see how much that video card would have cost by itself, and if your MBP is 3 years old, that battery could have been one of the ones that was recalled.

    I really have a bigger problem with you saying that Apple has the best hardware on the planet out of one side of your mouth, and saying don't forget the warranty out of the other.

    I've had my current PC for six years now, and the only hardware problem I've had with it (knock on wood) was a blown hard drive two years ago.

    *shrug*
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    I am typing this from my MacBook right now.

    If you want the biggest bang for your buck, as in most powerful hardware at the best value, I would look into an HP laptop. You can get more HDD space, memory, video, and other nice things for less money.

    Sure, Macs look pretty, but I really wouldn't have spent all the money I did on mine if some of my clients weren't running on an OS X infrastructure.

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    I've had my current PC for six years now, and the only hardware problem I've had with it (knock on wood) was a blown hard drive two years ago.
    You have an excellent point. PC's are much easier to upgrade than Macs are. They upgrade their hardware just about every year now.

    However, the one thing I have to say is that the statement above makes me a little uneasy if I am taking it in that context. I hope you understand that your PC manufacturer did not manufacture the hard drive. They just plugged it into the motherboard. If you do, I hope other people realize that every part in your PC is not made by the company that slapped their logo onto the case of your tower. The PC manufacturers get all this hardware from third parties via hardware licensing agreements.

    In HP's case they do build optical disc drives, but sometimes take the innards of them from Toshiba or SONY or whatever.

    Apple OTOH, does manufacture of their own hardware, but with the help of third parties. For example, they worked with Intel and NVidia for their CPU's and GPU's for their current iteration of notebooks. Well, they designed the hardware with the help of those companies, but ship the specifications off overseas to manufacture these parts.
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    Warranties on anything are usually a waste of money. This is evidenced by how hard the salespeople try to get you to sign up for them. It ain't to help you out.
    I am going to contradict this statement. A warranty yes, is like an insurance policy. Sometimes you don't use it. Then it becomes a waste. But when you need it, it's probably the best money you've spent in your entire life.

    Sure, some companies push the extended warranties, with the hope that you never need to use it. This way, they don't have to pay workers and purchase equipment. Excellent business practices.

    If you ever need to use the warranty, the company will do everything to make sure you are a happy customer, and you will come back to them when the life span of your item is over, or a newer model came out. It's all about customer loyalty.

    In my case, I hardly use mine. BUT, if something goes wrong, I'm covered. That is the road less traveled, but when I've gone down it, my warranties make my life easier.

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    Especially if it's the best hardware known to man.

    I have heard not to upgrade the RAM from Apple, but to buy is separately and install it yourself.
    This in some cases is true. Apple uses a different type of memory, which includes pin spacing and clock speeds. They tend to charge more for this type of RAM well, because they can.

    Some companies will charge less, but this hardware isn't guaranteed to work, because of what I said above.

    Since I work IT, I am fully capable of installing memory, so I do it myself. Other people do not have that luxury of knowing how, or want to know how.

    Bring on down your PC's or laptops, I'll change the memory and whatever you want for you.

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    I need to throw in that Apple care isn't just about hardware support. Apple is a software company as well, so for 3 years, you can call apple and talk to them for hours about how to do all kinds of advanced things on your apple software-wise. They will walk you through everything. How to boot up from an ipod, how to run itunes from multiple libraries, the list can be endless. If I have a question about any of the bundled software, I have no hesitation in calling apple and having them train me over the phone.
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    I need to throw in that Apple care isn't just about hardware support. Apple is a software company as well, so for 3 years, you can call apple and talk to them for hours about how to do all kinds of advanced things on your apple software-wise. They will walk you through everything. How to boot up from an ipod, how to run itunes from multiple libraries, the list can be endless. If I have a question about any of the bundled software, I have no hesitation in calling apple and having them train me over the phone.
    Of course.

    However, as a support specialist, we don't enjoy hours upon hours of a user talking to us.

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    I suppose you can talk to a good spirited person like me for two hours OR you can talk to 10 people, 7 of which would be beaten by their grandmothers for being so angry, rude and condescending.

    The choice is yours.
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    You have an excellent point. PC's are much easier to upgrade than Macs are. They upgrade their hardware just about every year now.

    However, the one thing I have to say is that the statement above makes me a little uneasy if I am taking it in that context. I hope you understand that your PC manufacturer did not manufacture the hard drive. They just plugged it into the motherboard. If you do, I hope other people realize that every part in your PC is not made by the company that slapped their logo onto the case of your tower. The PC manufacturers get all this hardware from third parties via hardware licensing agreements.

    In HP's case they do build optical disc drives, but sometimes take the innards of them from Toshiba or SONY or whatever.

    Apple OTOH, does manufacture of their own hardware, but with the help of third parties. For example, they worked with Intel and NVidia for their CPU's and GPU's for their current iteration of notebooks. Well, they designed the hardware with the help of those companies, but ship the specifications off overseas to manufacture these parts.
    Yeah I know that. If you want to go like that then my PC is six years old and it's never had a problem.

    Though I do admit that I don't see how you were trying to fit this into the discussion, though I am tired and my brain may be on strike.

    Since I work IT, I am fully capable of installing memory, so I do it myself. Other people do not have that luxury of knowing how, or want to know how.
    I have no idea how hard it is to install RAM on an Apple, but I found it harder to get my damn case open than install it on my PC.

    Back to the warranty, another question I don't know the answer to, how many parts on a MBP outside of the screen cost 350 bucks to replace? I could see how if you are fairly computer illiterate the warranty might not be a bad idea, but I kind of assume this is as simple for everyone as it is for me.

    As for tech support in general, I've found Google is the best tech support agent around.

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    I have no idea how hard it is to install RAM on an Apple, but I found it harder to get my damn case open than install it on my PC.

    Back to the warranty, another question I don't know the answer to, how many parts on a MBP outside of the screen cost 350 bucks to replace? I could see how if you are fairly computer illiterate the warranty might not be a bad idea, but I kind of assume this is as simple for everyone as it is for me.
    The main logic board (not the motherboard), the MagSafe board, from what I've heard the new Multi-Touch Pads as well.

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    And how often do those three (four with the screen) go out after their initial warranty is out, but before three years?

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    And how often do those three (four with the screen) go out after their initial warranty is out, but before three years?
    I have had two of the three go out on me twice, and the screen go out once. Within 100 days of purchase.

    Look, anything can go wrong. If you don't want to buy the warranty, then don't. But don't question those of us who do, because you're stirring up too many arguments.

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    I am going to contradict this statement. A warranty yes, is like an insurance policy. Sometimes you don't use it. Then it becomes a waste. But when you need it, it's probably the best money you've spent in your entire life.
    Exactly. The decision on to buy or not to buy a warranty shouldn't be made based on whether, in the long run (over multiple purchases) you'll come out ahead financially. You probably won't.

    The warranty decision should be based on your capacity for risk. In my case I've never bought an extended warranty for any appliance, including a PC/laptop. Why? Because if it crashes/breaks I can come up with the cash to replace it without major hardship.

    I ALWAYS purchase an extended warranty for a new car that will at least take me through my financing period. Why? Because if the car blows up, unless I want to buy a piece of crap, I won't be able to replace it until the old one is paid off. I know, in all probability, this is a financial loser for me. But I can incorporate that into the financing and it can potentially save me some major grief down the road.

    I have homeowners insurance even though my house is completely paid off because if I'm uninsured and it burns down I'm looking at least at having to endure another extended period of mortgage payments or live in the barn.

    People need to make risk management decisions for the right reasons. And one person's capacity for risk is not the same as another's. Duke chooses to reduce his risk related to his computers. I choose not to. Doesn't make either one of us "right."
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    I've never even used a MAc. Let me know what you/we think.

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    People need to make risk management decisions for the right reasons. And one person's capacity for risk is not the same as another's. Duke chooses to reduce his risk related to his computers. I choose not to. Doesn't make either one of us "right."
    I won't go as far as saying it's a return in investment. It's protecting an investment.

    I am right to a capacity. I am right in saying that having a warranty is appropriate for my needs.

    Technology is expensive. You've gotta see how much money our clients throw down for IT solutions. They go for extended warranties, too.

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    I don't know why exactly, but I got a good belly-laugh when I saw that.

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