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    Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

    My quest to come up with a sensible trade to improve our Pacers, be realistic to the needs of the other teams involved, and get in better financial shape for the future continues. I've come up with the following possible scenario, that does work under the CBA:

    Indiana trades #13 pick in the 2009 draft, and the rights to Erazem Lorbek to Minnesota.

    Indiana trades T.J. Ford and Troy Murphy to Philadelphia

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    Minnesota trades the #28 pick in the 2009 draft to Philadelphia

    Minnesota trades Mike Miller and Brian Cardinal to Indiana


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    Philadelphia trades Samuel Dalembert, Reggie Evans, $3 million in cash, and a future lottery protected 1st round draft pick to Minnesota

    Philadelphia trades the #17 pick in the 2009 draft and Mareese Speights to Indiana


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    This means for Indiana:

    IN: #17 pick, PF Mareese Speights, Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal
    OUT: #13 pick, PF Troy Murphy, and PG TJ Ford

    For Minnesota:

    IN: #13 pick, rights to Erazem Lorbek, $3million cash, C Samuel Dalembert, PF Reggie Evans, future lottery protected 1st round pick from Philadelphia.

    OUT: #28 pick,F Brian Cardinal, SG Mike Miller

    For Philadelphia:

    IN: #28 pick, PG TJ Ford, PF Troy Murphy

    OUT: #17 pick, C Samuel Dalembert, PF Reggie Evans, PF/C Mareese Speights, $3million dollars, future lottery protected first round draft pick

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    Why for Indiana:

    Reasons would be numerous I think. By trading Ford and Murphy, Indiana gains a huge amount of cap space for the summer of 2010, helping get our financial house in order. Miller is a great fit for us for many reasons, as he is a seemingly good fit in this current system, can back up both Granger and Rush, and will be motivated as he has an expiring contract. Cardinal has a large expiring and is a Purdue graduate and good character guy. Indiana gets a long term solution at the PF spot in Speights (who it is well known that I love) with a few years left on his rookie deal. Speights is significantly better than any big man available when we are slated to pick, and we can move down 4 spots in this deal and still be able to take Ford's replacement with the #17 pick.

    More than anything, this is a very smart financial move for us I believe long term, and I think it actually makes us a better overall team as well, albeit one with some holes still. It also gives you an asset (Brian Cardinals expiring contract) to try and use to dump Tinsley on someone perhaps.

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    Why for Minnesota:

    The Twolves need a big Center to play good defense and play in a rotation with Love and Jefferson. This lets the TWolves move Jefferson to his natural PF position and limits his daily minutes at Center. This gives the Wolves 3 different big guys whose games fit together well and who have many complimentary skills.

    It also leaves them with 3 first round draft picks: #6, #13, and #18. The Wolves could take 3 young players if they want to, or they could package 2 of those picks and try to make a deal with either Oklahoma City or Memphis for a chance to pick Ricky Rubio if they so desire. They also add a future first rounder and $3,000,000 in this deal to help offset the big contract Dalembert has.

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    Why for Philadelphia:

    Sixers have a new coach in Eddie Jordan who plans to run the Princeton offense, a new scheme that totally doesnt fit the game or talents of either Mareese Speights (who is blocked by Elton Brand anyway and who played hardly at all if any in the playoffs for Philly) or Samuel Dalembert. This move lets them dump tha albatross contract of Dalembert and fill in with 2 players who fit their needs perfectly:

    Ford, a veteran younger guard to take the place of free agent Andre Miller
    Murphy, who is a nice fit in the Princeton offense, and a good compliment to Elton Brand. The Sixers had terrible outside shooting a year ago, Murphy uniquely fills that need as well.

    The Sixers in this deal also move up 4 spots in this years draft, which possibly could help them get a player they are targeting. (who that would be I have no idea, maybe Blair, Henderson, Williams or Wayne Ellington in this scenario)


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    Ok, let's talk about this deal from the perspective of all three teams, and see what we think of it. I really like the deal from everyone's perspective, when you factor in the long term financial implications and specific team needs and "fits".

    Tbird
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    Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

    Think that really favors Indy.

    Doesn't really meet the needs of Minny and Phily.

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    • #3
      Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

      I think Philly at least would need more. Considering the value of expirings and talented young bigs, the Pacers do very well for themselves here. The other teams might demand more compensation than that. Perhaps at least Philly gets 13 instead of 17?

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      • #4
        Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

        That is just downright awful for Philly. Actually, awful doesn't even begin to describe it.

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        • #5
          Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

          Philly gets killed
          "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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            Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

            Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
            Philly's front court gets killed
            fixed

            seriously, Murphy and Brand to man the paint???

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            • #7
              Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

              I think it is an excellent trade. I feel that we would take on the #28, Minny gets the #13 and Philly picks up the #18, giving them back to back picks. They would go best available and Mullens most likely. Remember how much Philly likes Jason Smith, when talking front court. Yes, they would be relying on young centers, but I feel they would probably go get a servicable guy in free agency for defensive purposes. Let's look at Philly's lineup:

              PG - Ford, L. Williams, Ivey
              SG - Iguadala, Green
              SF - Young, (Rookie)
              PF - Murphy,
              C - Brand, Smith, (Mullins)

              Philly after this deal would still need to fill 4 roster spots. My thoughts would be that it would be easy to get a couple of servicable wing players for depth and find a body at center for a year or two to help the two young guys develop. I actually don't think this is that bad of a trade, assuming they think that Brand will be healthy for them. Andre Miller could re-sign with them and they would have an excellnt PG rotation. I actually think they might look to send Louis Williams or Willie Green instead of Reggie Evans.
              "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

                Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                I think it is an excellent trade. I feel that we would take on the #28, Minny gets the #13 and Philly picks up the #18, giving them back to back picks. They would go best available and Mullens most likely. Remember how much Philly likes Jason Smith, when talking front court. Yes, they would be relying on young centers, but I feel they would probably go get a servicable guy in free agency for defensive purposes. Let's look at Philly's lineup:

                PG - Ford, L. Williams, Ivey
                SG - Iguadala, Green
                SF - Young, (Rookie)
                PF - Murphy,
                C - Brand, Smith, (Mullins)

                Philly after this deal would still need to fill 4 roster spots. My thoughts would be that it would be easy to get a couple of servicable wing players for depth and find a body at center for a year or two to help the two young guys develop. I actually don't think this is that bad of a trade, assuming they think that Brand will be healthy for them. Andre Miller could re-sign with them and they would have an excellnt PG rotation. I actually think they might look to send Louis Williams or Willie Green instead of Reggie Evans.
                That's squinting really, really hard.

                You have Philly giving up their starting C and best bigman prospect, and getting back Murphy/Ford, two guys who are marginal starters with big contracts. Jason Smith to them is a disposable item. He's their Ike Diogu. He's a trade throw in at best. He doesn't mean much to him, while Speights means a lot. And sending Louis Williams instead of Evans just further screws them up the river.

                And they're also throwing in a future 1st rounder as well.

                And they get no salary relief. Really, take this to a Philly board and you'd probably get trashed and told to never come back.

                And Mulllens might not even be available at #18.

                This is just a bad, bad trade for Philly.

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                • #9
                  Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

                  You had me at "complicated 3 way."

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                  • #10
                    Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

                    Too many trades involving Murph. I really don't understand why.

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                      Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

                      Originally posted by TroyMurphy3 View Post
                      Too many trades involving Murph. I really don't understand why.
                      Probably because people would rather have a player who does things at PF that Murphy doesn't.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

                        Yeah baby! Three ways are always complicated but fun. I like this from the P's end but am not sure Philly would do this. Minny probably would go along.

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                          Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

                          Originally posted by d_c View Post
                          Probably because people would rather have a player who does things at PF that Murphy doesn't.
                          Now we're looking for another PF. Murphy's playing well at where he's at, he does things most PF should do like get double-doubles night in and night out.

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                            Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

                            Originally posted by TroyMurphy3 View Post
                            Now we're looking for another PF. Murphy's playing well at where he's at, he does things most PF should do like get double-doubles night in and night out.
                            Yes, but he has absolutely gaping holes at about 2 or 3 other things that PFs should do night in and night out.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Complicated 3 way: Indiana/Philadelphia/Minnesota

                              Originally posted by d_c View Post
                              Yes, but he has absolutely gaping holes at about 2 or 3 other things that PFs should do night in and night out.
                              He's the kind of PF I would always look for if I were a GM. At least one big man who can also shoot.

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