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    Hill is one of the players that I've watched all season hoping to get a definitive read on his NBA potential. The one characteristic I've noticed is he does truly seem to enjoy mixing it up inside. The telling tale will be how he progresses against tougher players in the NBA on a nightly basis. Will he improve the nasty streak he shows at times or will he resign to only stressing that segment of his game against lesser skilled players?

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    I like him and want him. Too bad we won't get him

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    I love J. Hill. I personally like him more than Rubio and Thabeet as far as NBA potential. I think Hill will get stronger and improve his longer range jumper with time. Right now I think he would be a beast inside. i agree there is no way we get him unless we trade up and right now I do not see that happening. He might be as close to a sleeper in this draft with all the talk about Griffin and Rubio. (Dont know how a potential #3 pick is a sleeper but for some reason I just think it fits).

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    I didn't see much of him but what I did see of him I wasn't all that impressed with his game.

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    I like him and want him. Too bad we won't get him
    You're not missing out on all that much if you don't get Jordan Hill. You're basically missing out on a Chris Wilcox/Drew Gooden level player at most.

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    I didn't see much of him but what I did see of him I wasn't all that impressed with his game.
    jordan hill is a lesser version of jason thompson. talent-wise, he's not even close to being a top 5-10 pick even. he really does nothing to help his team win.

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    He has improved his game each and every game while in college. He has defense and rebounding. If I am not mistaken we need that.

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    I think Hill would be a great fit here.

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    jordan hill is a lesser version of jason thompson. talent-wise, he's not even close to being a top 5-10 pick even. he really does nothing to help his team win.

    Wait, rebounding and shot blocking don't help your team win? News to me...

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    Wait, rebounding and shot blocking don't help your team win? News to me...
    stats don't mean everything. sometimes it's beneficial to actually watch some players play before we comment on their abilities and how those abilities might translate to the nba...arizona was a horrible basketball team last year for the amount of "talent" they had. jordan hill did not make that team better and is really lacking in the basketball iq department.

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    I think what everyone is saying is that this draft sucks and no one should want to trade up. To a certain extent I agree but I just have a gut feeling about Hill and he could end up being the rookie of the year. Griffin does not stand a chance at winning that award based solely on the fact he will be playing for the clippers and some how they will mess that whole thing up.

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    I wish people would use the stats "don't mean everything" to other players....like sayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....Jeff Foster.

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    I wish people would use the stats "don't mean everything" to other players....like sayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....Jeff Foster.
    or Murphy

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    or Murphy
    Or big baby davis and tyler hansbrough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by croz24 View Post
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    stats don't mean everything. sometimes it's beneficial to actually watch some players play before we comment on their abilities and how those abilities might translate to the nba...arizona was a horrible basketball team last year for the amount of "talent" they had. jordan hill did not make that team better and is really lacking in the basketball iq department.

    Maybe you shouldn't accuse me of not watching the players I comment on. Unlike most people here I don't comment on players I have just read about without a disclaimer. Perhaps their underachieving could be attributed to having three different coaches to play under in two years (not to mention the a-hole Kevin O'neil)...what a novel thought.

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    Maybe you shouldn't accuse me of not watching the players I comment on. Unlike most people here I don't comment on players I have just read about without a disclaimer. Perhaps their underachieving could be attributed to having three different coaches to play under in two years (not to mention the a-hole Kevin O'neil)...what a novel thought.
    well, i read your "jeff green" post before i replied to your comment on here...you do have a point about the arizona coaching situation. that exact coaching situation is something i cited many times in talking about bayless' potential. so it'd be hypocritical of me to not give hill the benefit of the doubt there...any other year however, i can almost guarantee hill is barely talked about as a lottery pick. he's just not that good imo. the point is moot however as hill will be drafted far before our pick, and the pacers just won't trade up.

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    I guess we'll just have to see...

    I do agree that in any other draft he wouldn't be nearly this high but I can't say that he wouldn't be one of the top 14 picks.
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    Or big baby davis and tyler hansbrough.

    I was trying to agree with your post, why are you reacting like that?

    I did not know that you like Murphy I don't remember many of the posters here so I don't know their point of view.
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    jordan hill did not make that team better and is really lacking in the basketball iq department.
    Exactly what I came to say. He has no IQ to speak of. He's basically a better Ronny Turiaf.

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    I was trying to agree with your post, why are you reacting like that?

    I did not know that you like Murphy I don't remember many of the posters here so I don't know their point of view.
    I think you are confused...that was my first post in this topic.

    Hill should be a good bigman in this league. Maybe he'll end up like Bogut.

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    Exactly what I came to say. He has no IQ to speak of. He's basically a better Ronny Turiaf.
    Pretty much what everyone said about Chris Bosh.

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    Or big baby davis and tyler hansbrough.

    This was your answer for my saying that Troy Murphy is just numbers

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    I think you are confused...that was my first post in this topic.

    Hill should be a good bigman in this league. Maybe he'll end up like Bogut.
    I don't think I am confused.

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    I really thought this guy was the perfect fit for us until I saw him play live in the Sweet 16 against Louisville's Samardo Samuels. Hill laid an absolute goose egg in my mind. He finished the night with 6-18 shooting with 14 points, 11 rebounds, 0 blocks, and 4 turnovers; but a lot of those points came in garbage time, and he couldn't seem to buy a bucket with the bigger and stronger Samuels on him.

    Granted it was just one game, but a theory that is starting to come true for me is that a lot of the stars in the NBA, had big games in the NCAA tournament, where the light was the brightest. I'd probably compare him to Kwame Brown, a guy that has seemingly has all the tools, but doesn't really have the toughness or court smarts to really be anything more than a rotational role player.

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    A lot of stars in the NBA also laid huge eggs in the NCAA tournament, or didn't play at all.

    Meanwhile, a lot of busts had monster outings in the NCAAs only to never reach that level again.

    Basically, how you perform in the NCAAs means squat. You don't pre-determine a player's entire decade-long NBA career by 1-3 tournament games. That's ridiculous.

    And Kwame Brown does not have "all the tools." have you seen him play? He has the smallest hands of any 7-footer in history and they are made of granite to boot. How does someone that can barely HOLD THE BALL have "all the tools?" That's like saying Ray Charles had "all the tools" to be a great Major League Pitcher.

    I'd take Jordan Hill with the 5th pick, and I'd never even think twice about it. The kid can play.
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    This was your answer for my saying that Troy Murphy is just numbers



    I don't think I am confused.
    I think you are. You said you were trying to support my post when I didn't make a post before that one, and I think that those two players are overrated due to numbers, whereas Murphy isn't due to his numbers.

    As for Kwame, he had all the tools, but was poorly developed. Put him on a different team that wasn't run by Jordan and he could have been great.

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