"So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.
Why dont you say something? Am I wrong for what I just stated?
Could you prove anywhere that Dun Sr doesnt have interest in Dun Jr anymore? Or are you making assumptions that because the link is from 2 years ago, Dun Sr's interest has faded away?
I couldn't back myself up if I wanted to prove you wrong. I'm just sure that the idea of Dunleavy Jr. going to the Clippers at this point is long gone.
I really don't think that Kaman is someone we could use right now that's better than who we have. Either of Murph's or Dunleavy's contracts are still too large to teams that aren't fully aware of their value here now.
I mean if we could keep Mike for this trade, then I'd be all for it. But I don't see that happening. Obviously you see a need for him, but we don't want to give up anything that LAC could be looking for. Tinsley right now is the only guy we should be shopping right now. Our team finally has a little chemistry, and to ruin that now could really hurt us. I don't care if it is just one or two positions, but Dunleavy is in the plans for the future of this team.
You really dont think Kaman is better than Rasho, Murphy, Foster, Bason, Hibbert or McRoberts? You have got to be kidding me
Hibbert will be good, dont get me wrong, but at this point in his career, he is not as good as Kaman. I probably wont want to give up Hibbert in a Kaman deal because of Hibbert's potential .
To say that Murphy and Dunleavy's contracts are long, Kaman is making the same amount of money that Dun is making, and has one year longer than Dun. To say Dun's contract is too long for a team, like the Clipps, not to realize his full value, is just ridiculous. If anyone knows Dunleavy's value, it will be his father
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Fine, Baston, you've got your guy. You can call me crazy, insane, an idiot. I don't care. I'm liking what I see so far. I don't want it broken up just yet.
Kaman is putting up good numbers right now, even after missing a lot of the season last year, but I'd rather keep the team the way it is. It's not a good time to dismantle something that we are working on rebuilding.
I can go on and on with this. We each have reasons on why we feel we should go each way, but I honestly don't have the patience to do this.
Mike is worth more than money, at least when he gets back and healthy, he could help carry the team with Danny and T.J.
Kaman is likely staying put or either going to Golden State. I really don't feel we have anything to offer LA that they feel they will get an equal return.
Obviously daddy knows first hand how son is doing. But this just isn't going to work. Hands down.
We need to worry about unloading Tinsley. That is the top priority. On the court our goal is to win games and get Dunleavy healthy. Like I said, he and Danny are the two men that will lead this team into the future.
I'm done, take it or leave it. Goodnight.
Obviously we have differing views in this situation. I respect your opinion.
This is what messege boards are for...to post your ideas and listens to what others have to say about it
Have a G'nite
As usual, much ado about nothing.Dunleavy Denies Chris Kaman Trade Story
Nov 12, 2008 6:42 AM EST
L.A. Clippers coach and president Mike Dunleavy has denied that his team is shopping big man Chris Kaman, the L.A. Times is reporting.
Dunleavy's denial were in response to a report which appeared in the New York Post saying that the team were trying to trade their center.
Dunleavy said he turned down the Charlotte Bobcats when they approached the Clippers and expressed interest in Kaman.
"They got the rejection," Dunleavy said. "But they threw it out there that I almost had a dance with somebody."
Kaman said he heard about the rumor through a friend.
"I enjoy playing here," Kaman said. "I hope I can stay here for a while. But if there are other plans, that's their deal and it's their business."
"I don't know what the trade [proposal] was. But it doesn't really matter. If you don't look at it like a business, you're going to get offended too easily."
Ok, what's more likely?
The Clips were approached about Kaman, spurned the advances, but the rumor was picked up by Peter Vecsey, and he spun it into Kaman being on the block.
Peter Vecsey is right.
Now that Randolph is on the Clipps, its more likely that Camby or Kaman will be moved. Theres no point in having all 3 of those big men, they could move one of the for a player or some picks.
I think nows the time Bird gets on the phone and call Dun Sr. I really hope Bird is active in trying to get Kaman (considering that half the NBA has called Dun Sr about him)
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10757Dealing Chris Kaman?: It's fairly clear the L.A. Clippers cannot hang on to the glut of frontcourt players they have, mainly due to the amount of salary they now consume – Marcus Camby - $10 million, Zach Randolph - $14.6 million, Chris Kaman - $9.5 million. Of the Clippers $60 million payroll, more than half is tied up in those three, which has prompted many around the league to come calling. Sources close to the Clippers say they have heard from at least 18 NBA teams with interest in the Clippers bigs. The Charlotte Bobcats have been the most vocal, however sources say even the latest offer of Jason Richardson was not enough to get the Clippers really talking. The belief from within the Clippers is that it is far too early to see if Zach Randolph is going to fit and solve the problems and there are still questions about Marcus Camby's durability. Camby missed the first three games of the season, but has been fairly consistent so far averaging 10.3 points and 10 rebounds a contest. Camby's best offensive games have come within the last week. Chris Kaman on the other hand has been bothered by a sore arch in his foot, and there is growing concern about why his numbers are down from last year. He averaged 15.7 points and 12.7 rebounds a game in 2007-2008 compared to this season's 13.9 points and 9.4 rebounds. Some of that can be attributed to playing with Camby, but there is a belief that Chris may have peaked already and that's why his name continues to be floated in rumors. Clippers sources would not say Kaman was "untouchable" admitting that the trade deadline might bring some temptations for the Clippers. The source did say that they viewed it as "highly" unlikely that the Clippers make any more deals in the next month. The Charlotte Bobcats and the Chicago Bulls are rumored to have the most interest in Chris Kaman, so it will be interesting to see how aggressive both teams get in offering up players.
Yeah, he's just terrible. only 13.9 and 9.4?Chris Kaman on the other hand has been bothered by a sore arch in his foot, and there is growing concern about why his numbers are down from last year. He averaged 15.7 points and 12.7 rebounds a game in 2007-2008 compared to this season's 13.9 points and 9.4 rebounds.
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pls don't argue whether kaman is good or not. he's obviously better than everyone we have. he's one of the most underrated players in the league. some players don't get the respect they deserve whatever they do and kaman is one of them.
13,9 ppg, 9,4 rpg, 1,9 apg, 1,9 bpg, 0,571 fg%, 0,75 ft%
if these aren't good what is? i would be more than happy if hibbert end up getting these stats 5 years from now.
Kaman is a fantastic "true" center. But he's always run into the same two problems: 1) unable to mesh well with other big men. and 2) next in line for the honorary Brad Miller Perpetual Foot Injury Award.
I love me the way Kaman plays, but he is not an individually amazing player. His presence does not create wins.
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I liked that previous thread we have about Morrison, so I thought I'd start one about Kaman. Ive always been a fan of Kaman, he has a great post game and his shot blocking skills are also pretty good. I think with the Clips most certainly drafting Griffin, one of their bigs will be expendable.
I made a thread proposal also http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...ad.php?t=42374
Overview: A budding All-Star at center who has finally adapted to the NBA game. Has good height (7-1 in shoes), a nice standing reach and great bulk for the center position. Shows great quickness for his size. Gets off the ground well. Very coordinated for a big man. Has a decent jump shot, but lacks range. Can score in numerous ways from the post. Rebounds the ball extremely well on both ends. Has a unique skill set for a center due to his coordination, although he’s not quite as efficient offensively as you might hope. Blocks some shots on the defensive end. Showed the same development he’s shown in the NBA during his three year career at Central Michigan. Won the MAC Player of the Year Award as a junior before leaving for the draft. Continues to develop at an impressive pace. Elton Brand’s injury has brought out the best in him.
Offense: One of the most effective post up players in the league today. Still developing his consistency, but the moves and the talent is there already. Gets almost three fifths of his offense in post up situations. Has all kinds of post moves. Uses fakes, pumps, and jabs like a veteran. Better turning over his left shoulder than his right, but has soft touch with both hands. Nice repertoire of hooks and turnarounds. Does most of his damage from the right block. Knows how to draw contact. Goes to the line at a pretty high rate, and shoots an above average percentage. Dunks the ball when he can get the ball up. Great offensive rebounder. Good face up jumper. Has good form, and should improve in that area when he spends more time in the high post with the return of Elton Brand. Not the most consistent post scorer in terms of efficiency, but displays all the fundamentals and tools to become one. Will be more efficient when he isn’t the focal point of the offense. Very good ball handler for his height. Capable passer as well, but turns to ball over when he faces a good double team, something he sees pretty frequently. Good pick and roll player. Has the game of a veteran, but needs to show that he can produce next to another great post player in the coming seasons.
Defense: A previously undistinguished defensive player who has improved on that end just as much as he has improved offensively. One of the League’s most prolific shot blockers. Displays absolute impeccable timing. Isn’t overly explosive, so he uses his anticipation and lateral quickness to contest most shots. Still foul prone, but not nearly as bad as he used to be in that regard. Experience has helped him immensely. Shows great rebounding skills. Very soft hands, seldom loses possession once he has it. Could become part of a truly dynamic defensive front court pair with Marcus Camby.
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I would be happy to get him. Would he be a starter at center or backup to Roy?