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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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2009 PD Forum Awards - Award Winners

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  • 2009 PD Forum Awards - Award Winners

    Welcome to the 2009 Pacers Digest Forum Awards!

    This year, things will be somewhat different than before.

    To make your nominations, post them here. Do not PM me with your nominations!
    Once all nominations are in, I will select the top-5 (less if there aren't 5, more if there's a tie) in each award category.

    I will keep accepting nominations through sometime Friday evening.

    There will be four awards up for vote the next 4 weeks, Monday through Friday.

    Anyone who is banned, an alias, or clearly doing a schtick (someone who fakes being negative, sunshiner, anything else) is ineligible for nomination. You cannot vote for yourself.

    thunderbird1245 is retired from the Best Arm Chair Coach award to spice things up, but in honor of his otherwise dynasty-worthy posting in this regard, I am naming the award after him.

    MagicRat is retired from the Most Humorous Poster award for his legendary body of work.


    Here are this year's award categories:

    Most Valuable Poster - The poster you always make sure you read above all others, and/or who you feel means the most to the forum.

    Rookie of the Year - The best poster to register after the last round of forum awards.

    The MagicRat Most Humorous Poster - Who was funniest?

    Best Debator - Who is the most effective and civil at making their case in any disagreement?

    Post More Often - Who do you wish would post more often the most?

    The Thunderbird1245 Best Arm Chair Coach - Who most belongs on an actual bench?

    Darksider of the Year - Who was the most pessimistic?

    Sunshiner of the Year - Who was the most optimistic?

    Moderate Poster of the Year - Who was the most consistently stable poster who was neither too too dark or too light?

    Best Non-American Poster - Who was the best poster not from the USA?

    Best Non-Pacer Fan - Who was the best outsider?

    Underrated Poster of the Year - Who is MVP-like but goes largely unnoticed?

    Pacers Post of the Year - What was the best single Pacers-related post?

    Pacers Thread of the Year - What was the best single Pacers-related thread?

    Off Topic Post of the Year - What was the best single off topic post?

    Off Topic Thread of the Year - What was the best single off topic thread?

  • #2
    Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

    A reminder: We've had a thread up since last year's awards for people to submit their nominations for posts/threads:

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...ad.php?t=39639

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    • #3
      Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

      This is gonna require some thought.

      I'm only in my second month as a PD member so you can't vote for yourself can you?

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      • #4
        Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

        *edited in nomination I forgot* There should be 16 listed above!

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        • #5
          Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

          Originally posted by TroyMurphy3 View Post
          This is gonna require some thought.

          I'm only in my second month as a PD member so you can't vote for yourself can you?
          Good question. You cannot vote for yourself. I'll add that in.

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          • #6
            Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

            Obviously

            http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...128#post881128

            Jose's "Today in Pacer History" for Pacers Thread of the Year

            And Jose for "Most Valuable Poster"

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            • #7
              Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

              Most Valuable Poster - The poster you always make sure you read above all others, and/or who you feel means the most to the forum.

              Jose Slaughter, Melliflous, BillS

              Rookie of the Year - The best poster to register after the last round of forum awards.

              I could use a list of these...

              Post More Often - Who do you wish would post more often the most?

              Jay Redd

              The Thunderbird1245 Best Arm Chair Coach - Who most belongs on an actual bench?

              imawhat

              Moderate Poster of the Year - Who was the most consistently stable poster who was neither too too dark or too light?

              mellifluous

              Best Non-Pacer Fan - Who was the best outsider?

              d_c

              Underrated Poster of the Year - Who is MVP-like but goes largely unnoticed?

              mellifluous

              Pacers Post of the Year - What was the best single Pacers-related post?

              Magic Rat's film session - http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...&postcount=136

              Pacers Thread of the Year - What was the best single Pacers-related thread?

              There's only one candidate in my mind, and I've already nominated it.

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              • #8
                Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

                Most Valuable Poster - count55

                Rookie of the Year - flox

                Best Debator - Naptown_Seth

                Post More Often - DiamondDave00

                The Thunderbird1245 Best Arm Chair Coach - Who most belongs on an actual bench? Kstat

                Darksider of the Year - Shade

                Moderate Poster of the Year - imawhat

                Best Non-American Poster - bellisimo

                Best Non-Pacer Fan - d__c

                Pacers Post of the Year - Peck's last Odd Thoughts to wrap up the season

                Pacers Thread of the Year - Jose's thread about Pacer history

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                • #9
                  Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

                  Hicks: Thank you for the kudos....and congratulations to all the eventual nominees and winners.

                  It is nice to be well thought of for what is written on here. I do appreciate it, and really have come to enjoy this board over the years that I have been here.

                  Here are my nominees for selected awards:

                  ROOKIE OF YEAR: I really could use a list of people here...tough to remember exactly when someone started. Someone above me nominated Plax, who I think is excellent. If Count55 is eligible for this award, he should be nominated as well.

                  DEBATOR: Probably should nominate both Naptown Seth and Count55. This will probably be a close vote for me. I have a feeling Seth and I will be having some debates shortly regarding our scouting for the draft that will be interesting.

                  POST MORE OFTEN: There are alot of people I wish posted more often, but this one has to be Mboyle. I also wish Jay and Peck posted more....I think Jay is very intelligent to listen to, and he has a different perspective than most. I love Peck's threads as well. Danny Granger just signed up, obviously I'd like to see him post more.ABA Days is another one. Many others too numerous to mention for me in this category.

                  ARMCHAIR COACH: Since this award is named after me, I'm going to think about this one a little more. There are some good candidates.

                  DARKSIDER: Not normally, but this one is Shade for me for his intense dislike last summer of the Bayless trade.

                  SUNSHINER: Someday, this award may be named after Duke Dynamite.

                  THREAD OF THE YEAR: This has to go to Jose Slaughter for the "This day in Pacer history" threads. I know what kind of work and effort that must have taken, and that type of dedication deserves recognition.

                  MVP: This is always a tough call....I don't think I even voted last year. I will be curious to see who the five nominees end up being. For me, I would vote UncleBuck I think just because he participates in almost every thread with intelligent thought, and often is the stimulus to provoke more interesting thought in discussions that maybe wouldn't have done so without him. Obviously, as the head honcho of the board Hicks deserves some kudos here as well.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

                    MVP:

                    count55, imawhat, melliflous, (just my opinion, but the admins shouldn't be eligible for this one.)

                    Post more Often:

                    Beast23, MagicRat, Ragnar, able, btown, Kegboy

                    Armchair Coach:

                    imawhat, count55, Seth, MagicRat, melliflous, bball

                    Best Debater:

                    Since86, Seth,

                    Moderate Poster:

                    Putnam, melliflous, imawhat, count55, Los Angeles

                    Pacers post of the year:

                    imawhat: http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...4&postcount=60 and http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...2&postcount=62 and to be fair and balanced, Count55 also deserves a nomination for http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...0&postcount=65 MagicRat: http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...&postcount=136

                    Off topic post of the year:

                    bball: http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...33&postcount=5

                    Sunshiner:



                    Darksider:

                    Kegboy, Shade, remind me again who the anti-Granger goofballs were - I didn't pay any attention to them so I don't remember who they were.

                    Humerous:

                    MagicRat (if there is an award to be named after a poster, it is this one.)

                    That's about all I care about.
                    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                    And life itself, rushing over me
                    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                    • #11
                      Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

                      You know what, Jay, you're right. I'm going to make that official right now. If anyone deserves it, it's MagicRat. His contributions to PD (particularly in the earlier days) are worthy of his status as a PD Legend.

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                      • #12
                        Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

                        I nominate Naptown_Seth as MOST OFFENSIVE POSTER of the Year.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

                          You clearly missed the part about schtick.

                          That's right, you wasted a year's worth of energy on this futile effort.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

                            I 2nd that nomination. *





                            * There aren't many things more offensive on a message board than double posting, except maybe nominating yourself for awards. How can I lose this one. **





                            ** By it not being a category, sure, but that's just short sighted people keeping me down. I hate the blind. You'd think they'd stink less than they tend to with all that enhanced sense of smell and crime fighting ability. ***




                            *** All Daredevil references are inherently offensive now thanks to Ben Affleck. But I'm pretty sure it's okay to still make fun of the optically challenged.
                            Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 05-05-2009, 10:58 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 2009 PD Forum Awards - Nominations

                              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                              You clearly missed the part about schtick.

                              That's right, you wasted a year's worth of energy on this futile effort.
                              I also nominate Hicks for Most Offensive Poster.

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