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    This is another nightmare scenario as far as I'm concerned. All the good PG/wing players off the board by 13 and we're left to choose from an interesting group of PF's, all of whom have significant ????'s.

    I like Patterson better than Blair. I just don't think Blair will be able to defend at the NBA level. I'm interested in James Johnson, but not at 13.

    I agree with Seth about Sam Young. He was the best player on Pitt, much more impressive than Blair in every single game I watched.

    I like Pargo as a 2nd round PG prospect, a la Chalmers, though they have different offensive games. I think Pargo has the potential to be a Lindsey Hunter, Anthony Carter like defensive PG specialist who hangs around the league for a long time. That's a hell of 2nd round pick.

    edit: I also don't see B.J. Mullens going this low in this draft. It might be en vogue to predict him to fall a la DeAndre Jordan, but he's got legitimate star potential. He'd have been a lottery pick in last year's draft, and the one year @ OSU only showed that he has a little bit farther to go than people thought, not that he has any less potential. If he's there this late in the first, he's definitely worth trying to trade back in to pick up, even though we've got Roy.
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    I wish Brackins would enter the draft. I think he would be a pretty good pickup at 13
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    Blair doesn't have the athleticism nor agility to make up for his lack of height. He'll be a monumental failure in the NBA just like almost all undersized power forwards that lack athleticism and agility have been (Diogu, Sweetney, Fizer, etc.).

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    Blair doesn't have the athleticism nor agility to make up for his lack of height. He'll be a monumental failure in the NBA just like almost all undersized power forwards that lack athleticism and agility have been (Diogu, Sweetney, Fizer, etc.).
    I know it's a longshot but it's not like a successful shorter PF is unheard of.

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    I would take Blair at 13 over Patterson if he's available. Blair has the second best post game behind #1
    Doesn't his size worry you? I don't know if his game will translate due to his lack of height - but I could be wrong. Patterson is an interesting pick and by pick I mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1tIoqzWH8I

    I would be more comfortable with Patterson if he had a little more size, but I am confident he will be a solid player.
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    Doesn't his size worry you? I don't know if his game will translate due to his lack of height - but I could be wrong. Patterson is an interesting pick and by pick I mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1tIoqzWH8I

    I would be more comfortable with Patterson if he had a little more size, but I am confident he will be a solid player.
    I agree, Patterson seems to be bigger and can also shoot the 10 foot jumper, I think you put the wrong video of him
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    I like the little that I saw of Patterson at UK. I think he can turn into a solid player. Would be a nice PF off of the bench. He actually reminds me some of Carl Landry, except with more skill or potential skill.

    If we're at 13 I like Patterson, Twill, Henderson

    I'm in between on Clark, Budinger, Curry and Balir

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    I know it's a longshot but it's not like a successful shorter PF is unheard of.

    Nice username BTW. I can't see that sticking around for long...
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    Yeah, whatever... I still don't like we are picking at only #13. Even with a weak draft I would have liked us picking higher IF only because IF we were to trade our pick or whatever the worth is better. And it's not like we have an enormously talented team to put it mildly...
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    I like Patterson at 13...even though I'd rather have T-Will, while at the same time swinging some major trade to land a beast of a rebounder.

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    I like the little that I saw of Patterson at UK. I think he can turn into a solid player. Would be a nice PF off of the bench. He actually reminds me some of Carl Landry, except with more skill or potential skill.
    I don't mind Patterson, but Landry was a far superior college player.
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    I believe Blair is going to prove to be a lot more mobile than people think. Plus he is
    a unique player. Powerful and long armed. I would love to get two players as I have stated
    before. Twill and Blair/Patterson.
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    I don't mind Patterson, but Landry was a far superior college player.
    I wouldn't compare the 2. UK's offense tried to run through Patterson in the low post but UK didn't have the guys to get him the ball. With Purdue, Landry was more of a big SF and through which the offense was ran but more on the wing.

    I like both of their athleticism and Landry was clutch and could shoot from outside. Patterson is more of a low block scorer who can shoot out to 15 feet. Landry was a scorer from 15+.

    If you think of Landry and Scola of the Rockets, I think Patterson and Hansbrough are hybrids of the two, but the exact opposite hybrids: Patterson is an athletic Scola and Hansbrough is a Landry with post offense and without the range (lots of bball IQ).

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    I believe Blair is going to prove to be a lot more mobile than people think. Plus he is
    a unique player. Powerful and long armed. I would love to get two players as I have stated
    before. Twill and Blair/Patterson.
    I see in the mock draft generator of ESPN that Blair is projected to the Nets, who has been looking for a PF forever and whom I think would be a perfect fit when you pair him next to Lopez.

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    I'm shocked that so many people like Patterson and Blair. Undersized PFs very rarely work out, especially when they aren't athletic and don't excell at defense. I mean, if we are looking at undersized productive college players, give me Hansbrough over either of them.

    I'd be pretty upset if we took any of them at #13 though.

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    Coming from a pretty die hard college fan they are both pretty solid pf's. I'm not sure either will translate to anything better than a fringe - solid starter (this draft is below average in general and is very bad compared to last year) but they both provide pretty good things that the Pacers apparently need (at least from the impressions I get from lurking around here the last couple months).

    Patterson has that mid range j and has potentially average rebounding/low post scoring ability for an nba pf. He should also be ok at giving a block or so. Otherwise I don't know that's he's really great at any one or two things that would translate to more than a fringe starter. He also benefited from playing in a fairly (and I'm being generous) weak conference this year.

    Blair would automatically be the toughest player on Indiana, the best rebounder, and a decent low post scorer. He might even be one of the toughest players in the division. The issues with him are that he might be a fouling machine (to the tune of Hibbert) because of his relatively poor lateral movement which is at least partially due to his weight, his weak jumpshot, and relatively non existent handle. His wingspan is touted by a lot of scouts and he was solid at blocking shots but I'm not sure that'll translate that well. On the other hand he has pretty good reflexes and I imagine that he'll be able to swipe the ball more often than the average pf. The potential for him to eat himself out of the league (like say a Traylor or Sweetney) is there but isn't as high as some of the busts people have mentioned.

    About Varnado, he's a bubble 1st rounder. That said, pace adjusted he's at least somewhat comparable to Thabeet in a number of categories Varnado pace adjusted stats. Jay Bilas, who's one of the better analysts in college bball, hyped him all year and to a certain extent he was overshadowed unfairly by Thabeet. He has solid hands but is behind even Thabeet on offense by a decent bit. He's definitely a project but he strikes me as a good candidate for an athletic/defensive backup big man. I saw some posts that alluded to the fact the Pacers probably need that in the future and he wouldn't be a bad gamble with a high 2nd round pick in this draft.


    I wouldn't consider either of them #13 pick caliber if not for the weakness of this draft (and even then I'm not sure they're good enough)

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    Thanks Biz

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    Thanks Biz

    Looks like we've added another quality poster!
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    I would say he's just a friend. He's definitely got what it needs.

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    I wouldn't compare the 2. UK's offense tried to run through Patterson in the low post but UK didn't have the guys to get him the ball. With Purdue, Landry was more of a big SF and through which the offense was ran but more on the wing.

    I like both of their athleticism and Landry was clutch and could shoot from outside. Patterson is more of a low block scorer who can shoot out to 15 feet. Landry was a scorer from 15+.

    If you think of Landry and Scola of the Rockets, I think Patterson and Hansbrough are hybrids of the two, but the exact opposite hybrids: Patterson is an athletic Scola and Hansbrough is a Landry with post offense and without the range (lots of bball IQ).
    Landry was a fantastic low post scorer in college. He didn't start really working on his jumper or trying to showcase his 15+ game until his senior year. At that point he thought he'd have to move to the 3 to play in the NBA. Landry averaged 18 ppg on 62% shooting on a team that won 7 games and finished 10th in the Big 10. You don't shoot 62% from 15+ out.

    Also, Patterson had much better teammates than Landry.
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    If RealGm has updated their mock draft of May 1, can someone update this thread with it?

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    http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...ad.php?t=46594

    They updated it on the 8th, but it's not going to do a lot of good...

    They still have us taking Patterson.

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    I agree, the Pacers don't need another low post player, they need somebody close to Amare, somebody who can shoot the jumper and score on the run, like I said before I think that Roy should be the Pacers post presence.
    That's why I think we're going to see the Pacers pursue Brandon Bass from Dallas as free agent, he's an up and coming big man who could be another gem in the right situation.

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    That's why I think we're going to see the Pacers pursue Brandon Bass from Dallas as free agent, he's an up and coming big man who could be another gem in the right situation.
    Bass is undersized. Hes only 6'8"
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    RealGM has us drafting Blair now in their updated mock

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