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    AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Michael Curry is coming back as the Detroit Pistons' coach.
    Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars held a news conference Wednesday to wrap up a miserable season, and he ended any doubt about his plans on the bench by confirming Curry would return.

    "It was an up-and-down season for him," Dumars said. "And, an up-and down-season for us."

    Curry was 39-43 in his first year as a head coach and his second season in the coaching profession.

    A Pistons team that opened the season with high hopes couldn't recover from the loss of All-Star point guard Chauncey Billups in a November trade to Denver for Allen Iverson.

    Iverson's past-his-prime game and pride proved to be a bad fit in Detroit.

    The Pistons plummeted to the last spot in the Eastern Conference playoffs and were swept in four lopsided games by the Cleveland Cavaliers.

    Dumars, though, did not blame Curry for Detroit's demise.

    "The fact that we made so many changes for a first-year coach, I had to step back and be a little more patient than I have been," Dumars said. "During the season I said to myself, 'What affect is this having on him as a first-year coach?' I tried to put myself in his shoes."

    Dumars fired coach Flip Saunders last year after he led the team to the Eastern Conference finals in each of his three seasons.

    The Pistons parted ways with Hall of Fame coach Larry Brown in 2005 after he helped them win a title and almost repeat in his two years with them.

    Rick Carlisle was fired after two years with the Pistons following an Eastern Conference finals appearance in his second season and NBA Coach of the Year honors in his first.

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    Default Re: KStat might need to be on suicide watch....

    Well, look at it this way: they can't be any worse than the Lions.

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    Default Re: KStat might need to be on suicide watch....

    Quote Originally Posted by grace View Post
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    Well, look at it this way: they can't be any worse than the Lions.
    Maybe they could switch players and improve both teams.

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    That's sad
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    All of those Detroit fans were hoping for a Curry, but they got the wrong one. At least they got a player to put their hopes on, but since they decided to not improve the worst offensive line in the game, Detroit will continue to suck.

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    There are multiple problems in Detroit. Curry is just one of them. They are getting older and adding Iverson to the mix has worked about as well as it did in Denver.

    Look at Denver now. They won their division and are beating New Orleans to death. Why is that happening now? Acquiring Chauncey and moving Iverson is obviously the difference.

    I think the Pistons had another year or so left in them...but Dumars threw that year away. They didn't show any fight because they didn't want to fight.

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    Iverson was somewhat expected. I thought Hamilton to be more mature though and was a little disappointed. Players get traded deal with it.
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    Detroit will have a chance to be better next year. They have a ton of money since they absolutely won't be re-signing Rasheed or Iverson. They have some solid young talent. They could parlay Rip or Tayshaun into a better piece. I think the Pistons have an opportunity to really turn things around Quickly. Unfortunately.

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    There was a little blurb on cnnsi.com this morning about the Hornets being interesting in Rip or Prince or both. Maybe with David West as the other piece? It was pure speculation I think, but something to think about I guess.

    Edit.

    Here it is.

    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...nce-to-hornets
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed View Post
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    There was a little blurb on cnnsi.com this morning about the Hornets being interesting in Rip or Prince or both. Maybe with David West as the other piece? It was pure speculation I think, but something to think about I guess.

    Edit.

    Here it is.

    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...nce-to-hornets
    This is an odd match.

    The two teams make sense as trading partners if NO is looking to shed salary, but I'm not sure what NO has that would command either Prince or Rip from Detroit.

    IOW...I could see NO trying to foist Chandler or Peja's contracts on Detroit (not sure why they'd take them), but I don't see a lot actually happening here...that both sides would like.

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    I can't figure out what's happened in NO period, they've really just fallen apart, I think. You have to think Coach of the year Byron Scott is in trouble. I'm starting to rethink the whole Tyson Chandler thing for the Pacers too.

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    I would love to have Byron Scott coaching the pacers, so I won't be too broken up if he becomes available at the end of Jimmy's tenure next season, I guess I am cheering for another dissapointing season in New Orleans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
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    I would love to have Byron Scott coaching the pacers, so I won't be too broken up if he becomes available at the end of Jimmy's tenure next season, I guess I am cheering for another dissapointing season in New Orleans.
    I would have to agree. Bringing in a former Pacer and a decent head coach to be our head coach.

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    I would have to agree. Bringing in a former Pacer and a decent head coach to be our head coach.
    I have a feeling this is not the last time this topic will be raised.

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    I have a feeling this is not the last time this topic will be raised.
    I doubt he'd be our head coach in the future.

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    Rip for West works for me. Moving Stuckey to the 2 frees up room to deal rip.

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    Rip for West works for me.
    As a straight up deal, the Hornets wouldn't do that. They'd be trading bigger and younger for older and smaller and they go from having an all-star level PF (signed to a reasonable contract) to nothing at all. Something else would have to be involved.

    I think they'd move Chandler to anyone with cap room and take back a shorter/smaller contract. They won't be able to unload Peja.

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    But would the Hornets do that, West would be more Important to them Another Ageing Shooting Guard...

    they Might like Prince, but I'd still say that West is more important...

    Unless they can draft a Power Forward or get Boozer, can't really see it...


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    I had many laughs watching them lose to the cavs. Dont feel sorry about the pistons, their fans and media are the worst in the NBA.

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    dnt think the hornets will part ways with west ~ west > rip

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    I had many laughs watching them lose to the cavs. Dont feel sorry about the pistons, their fans and media are the worst in the NBA.


    This from the "iversonmania" handle. Oh, the irony.

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    So wonderful. This all makes me so very happy.

    Bill Simmons has been right there with me saying that AI trade was a huge mistake and ripping on Dumar's "flawless" rep, which is totally undeserved. He made some good moves, he's made some tragic duds.

    And tying NO right back into this, how about B-B-B-B-Billups and the Nugs pounding the Hornets within an inch of their life. Yes, no way a Billups led Pistons team could go anywhere in a conference with the Cavs and 2 flawed wanna-be contenders (with KG out) in their way. Seems to me Dumars punted way too soon.


    Sorry Kstat, but you were talking up how the young talent needed room to step into and it was all being rebuilt right on the fly and all I see is a group of guys that can't win even with a couple of all-star caliber players on the roster.

    Making roster moves to accommodate Stuckey? Doesn't sound like a title formula at all. With the economic turn squeezing back on cap space I don't see the Pistons having the room to deal even, not as much as they'd hoped. They might have space that others want, but is it enough to insta-save the team? Doubtful to me.

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    didnt someone mentioned that billups is constanly getting beaten up by little guards in the P.O ~ look at him now against C.P.3 ~ cant remember exactly though ~

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    Sorry Kstat, but you were talking up how the young talent needed room to step into and it was all being rebuilt right on the fly and all I see is a group of guys that can't win even with a couple of all-star caliber players on the roster.

    Making roster moves to accommodate Stuckey? Doesn't sound like a title formula at all. With the economic turn squeezing back on cap space I don't see the Pistons having the room to deal even, not as much as they'd hoped. They might have space that others want, but is it enough to insta-save the team? Doubtful to me.
    I still think that rebuilding with AI's expiring deal was the right move. However, I just think it was unrealistic to expect to rebuild on the fly like that with the guys they had.

    When Dumars started the Pistons rennisance, he acquired guys who were unwanted, but not exactly untalented: Billups a former #3 pick, Rasheed a former #4 pick, Rip a former #7 pick and Dyess a former #2 pick. For all the talk about their chemistry, that's some pretty high level talent they had (while still in their primes).

    It's simply unrealistic to expect to be able to rebuild on the fly with a bunch of non-lotto picks like Stuckey, Afflalo, Maxiell and Amir Johnson. Those guys are all nice young prospects, but talent wise, they don't come close to equaling all those unwanted lotto picks from the 90s that Dumars accrued.

    It's not to say those guys were bad picks, because they were good ones. It's just unrealistic to build a good team centered around picks taken in that draft range.

    I think Dumars is still one of the better GMs in the league and he'll eventually get the Pistons back into eastern conf contention. It was just a little silly to think he'd do it instantaneously.

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    they have $17 million in cap room. The ecenomic situation is working for them, not against them.

    And yes, the Nuggets are beating the crap out of a lifeless #7 seed.

    Are the Nuggets winning a title this year? No.

    Neither were the Pistons, with or without billups. At least now they have the chance to change their fate.

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