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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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New Laptop: Suggestions?

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  • #46
    Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

    Originally posted by travmil View Post
    I have a Dell desktop and a laptop. I've had one hardware problem with the desktop where the power supply went out. It was easy to replace but I had to buy the part from Dell. The problem I had with the laptop was caused by my own stupid attempt to remove some type of spyware or virus that wiped the drivers for the wireless mouse. No amount of installing and reinstalling could fix it, so we had to reset it to factory defaults with Dell's assistance. Overall it's a good laptop, but for the love of god see if you can get XP on it instead of Vista. Ours has Vista and I could cook a Thanksgiving dinner in the time it takes to boot up and be ready to surf the net.
    No doubt. I was optimistic about Vista, despite all the negative comments about it, but it has slowed my computer to no better than 70% of its previous speed running XP. As soon as I get another copy of XP, it's gone.

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    • #47
      Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

      I thought I may give netbooks a second opinion when I had the chance to play with one today...... and it wasn't ready to be logged into yet (school computer tech guys weren't finished setting everyone up). Not pointing fingers, just frustrated that I didn't get the chance to check one out.

      Didn't seem so bad in person, but still awfully small....

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      • #48
        Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

        Originally posted by Shade View Post
        No doubt. I was optimistic about Vista, despite all the negative comments about it, but it has slowed my computer to no better than 70% of its previous speed running XP. As soon as I get another copy of XP, it's gone.
        It was on my laptop when I bought it last year and I figured on replacing it with XP but decided to give it 2 weeks just in case and ended up leaving it. I haven't noticed any sluggishness (again, new laptop about a year ago) and there are a couple of media and file sharing features I actually like.
        The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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        • #49
          Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

          Another question for Jr, if I may.

          How much would he like/need a larger monitor for his dorm room if he gets the Apple laptop as proposed? Would a college student prefer to have one or would it just be a needless place to hang dirty t-shirts. (I'm thinking of gifts for friends/family to consider)

          At IU, what printer would be good? What about the small single sheet but highly portable type? I have several printers sitting around that are good but drink ink like mad...nobody will ever get me to give up my Canon prnters ever again.

          and LA........as a music major, does he keep the sortware that is installed or go to the school for the Microsoft stuff? I think you mentioned that earlier but I can't locate the answer.
          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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          • #50
            Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

            I haven't noticed any sluggishness on Vista on my home PC, except in some write operations to my NAS. I ended up moving my media (pictures, music, home movies) to a local HD. Which is probably what I should have done in the first place. Then I back it up to the NAS (and several external drives for off-site).

            Disclaimer: My home PC is a quad-core with 8 Gig of RAM and a high-end video card. I wouldn't expect any sluggishness. I'm also running the 64-bit version of Vista.

            I'm dual-booting Windows 7 on my laptop, which is about 6 years old, and it seems to work as well as my trusty XP Pro install, perhaps a little better. I haven't used Vista on this laptop, so I can't really compare.
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            • #51
              Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

              Also, with a new laptop I would consider going with some sort of encryption scheme, either whole disk or a separate partition with your important stuff on it - especially in a college setting.

              www.truecrypt.org
              You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
              All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

              - Jimmy Buffett

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              • #52
                Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

                Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
                Another question for Jr, if I may.

                How much would he like/need a larger monitor for his dorm room if he gets the Apple laptop as proposed? Would a college student prefer to have one or would it just be a needless place to hang dirty t-shirts. (I'm thinking of gifts for friends/family to consider)

                At IU, what printer would be good? What about the small single sheet but highly portable type? I have several printers sitting around that are good but drink ink like mad...nobody will ever get me to give up my Canon prnters ever again.

                and LA........as a music major, does he keep the sortware that is installed or go to the school for the Microsoft stuff? I think you mentioned that earlier but I can't locate the answer.
                hopping on a plane, so ill answer in a bit.
                “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                • #53
                  Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

                  Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
                  Another question for Jr, if I may.

                  How much would he like/need a larger monitor for his dorm room if he gets the Apple laptop as proposed? Would a college student prefer to have one or would it just be a needless place to hang dirty t-shirts. (I'm thinking of gifts for friends/family to consider)

                  At IU, what printer would be good? What about the small single sheet but highly portable type? I have several printers sitting around that are good but drink ink like mad...nobody will ever get me to give up my Canon prnters ever again.

                  and LA........as a music major, does he keep the sortware that is installed or go to the school for the Microsoft stuff? I think you mentioned that earlier but I can't locate the answer.
                  Macs come with so much bundled software that it will make your head spin. So there will be no need to purchase software (other than maybe the Microsoft office student addition, but only if he really needs it).

                  One day he might want to set up a sound program called "pro tools" but that can wait until after he's taken a sound recording class.

                  I also say no to the external monitor. He's going to spend very little time in his room.

                  Yes to a small (cheap) black and white printer, but get one with a paper tray. Technically there are printers all over the place on campus, but this is one convenience he'll really need and use.
                  “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                  “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                  • #54
                    Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

                    Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
                    I also say no to the external monitor. He's going to spend very little time in his room.
                    I'm gonna edit this a bit - are you considering buying him a TV to take to school? You might think about a small - 19-25" - flat panel monitor instead of a stand-alone TV. Make sure you check on compatibility. I haven't set one up for this but it can't be too hard.
                    The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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                    • #55
                      Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

                      Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
                      Macs come with so much bundled software that it will make your head spin. So there will be no need to purchase software (other than maybe the Microsoft office student addition, but only if he really needs it).

                      One day he might want to set up a sound program called "pro tools" but that can wait until after he's taken a sound recording class.

                      I also say no to the external monitor. He's going to spend very little time in his room.

                      Yes to a small (cheap) black and white printer, but get one with a paper tray. Technically there are printers all over the place on campus, but this is one convenience he'll really need and use.
                      I'm not that impressed with the bundled software that came with my new MacBook. A lot of this stuff I don't use.

                      If that is what drove the cost of this abomination up so high, I would gladly uninstall the applications for a partial refund. (Which I highly doubt was the cause of the price.)

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                      • #56
                        Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

                        Originally posted by Doug View Post
                        Also, with a new laptop I would consider going with some sort of encryption scheme, either whole disk or a separate partition with your important stuff on it - especially in a college setting.

                        www.truecrypt.org
                        Just get a PC with Windows Vista Ultimate. It has built-in drive encryption with BitLocker.

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                        • #57
                          Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

                          Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                          I'm not that impressed with the bundled software that came with my new MacBook. A lot of this stuff I don't use.

                          If that is what drove the cost of this abomination up so high, I would gladly uninstall the applications for a partial refund. (Which I highly doubt was the cause of the price.)
                          Your experience with the macbook was bizarre and unfortunate. But I would not call that machine or any of the new uni-body macs an abomination.

                          I wonder if you would have received better equipment and service from Lenovo, HP or Sony at the same price point?

                          Anyway, the iLife suite is nothing short of astoundingly powerful and useful. iPhoto, iMovie, iWeb, iChat, Mail, TextEdit, iTunes, Calendar, Addressbook, Preview and Garageband to name just a few. All of them are very easy to use and very useful to a student in the arts.
                          “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                          “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                          • #58
                            Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

                            I own two macs, and like them both. And so I must say, LA:

                            - TextEdit? Seriously? Why not pimp Microsoft WordPad while you're at it? I mean, it's a solid text editor but nothing to write home about. What is it that sets it apart from any other text editor? If I had to choose between Gedit, Wordpad, AbiWord, and TextEdit, I'd probably take TextEdit third out of the four.
                            - iPhoto gets immediately replaced with Picasa on my machines. Piece of crap categorization system that you can't opt out of? Epic fail.
                            - Mail gets immediately replaced by Thunderbird (although I only use it for backup, since GMail kicks the crap out of every off-cloud mail service I've ever seen). Solid implementation, but unimportant.
                            - iCal is the same as Mail, both positive and negative
                            - Garageband's a pretty nice program, if you're using it.
                            - I *HATE* the new iMovie with a passion. I downloaded the old iMovie HD immediately.
                            - You totally missed the nicest program in the iLife suite... iDVD. Dead simple, and pretty powerful for a free tool. I've done a ton of stuff with that, and it's not easily replaced.

                            BUT... The very best thing about the Mac is Expose. Not even close. Everything else is pretty standard, but Expose is the only thing I really miss when I have to work on a Windows machine. And Quicksilver, although that's not by Apple and there are supposedly Windows equivalents.

                            On my Mac, I tend to miss Paint.NET. It's not photoshop, but then I can usually open it, finish my project, and close it before Photoshop is done loading. It's simple, powerful, and free. I wish iLife included a basic photo editor.
                            Last edited by Anthem; 04-18-2009, 11:12 PM.
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                            • #59
                              Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

                              Hicks, I've got to say this: I really think Shade is nuts. I've owned several Toshibas and they've been awesome. I just saw a new one that my mother-in-law got direct from Toshiba, and I love it. It's an L355, and it has my favorite trackpad I've ever used. Yes, more than my last-gen Macbook Pro (which has been my favorite up until today), and yes, more than the current MacBook/MBP trackpads (which I actually don't like much). She paid $750 for it and got it direct from Toshiba.

                              http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/home.to

                              If I was buying a Windows machine today, I'd buy that in a heartbeat. Beautiful screen, fully loaded, 17" but not nearly as bulky as I expected. Really nice.
                              Last edited by Anthem; 04-18-2009, 11:02 PM.
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                              • #60
                                Re: New Laptop: Suggestions?

                                Originally posted by Doug View Post
                                Get as much as RAM as you can.

                                Sometimes it's cheaper to get the minumum amount from Dell/HP/Whoever and buy a couple of new sticks from Crucial, NewEgg, Frys, etc.
                                And by "sometimes" you mean "pretty much universally."

                                I completely agree, though. Maxing out ram is relatively cheap and a VERY effective way to up performance.
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