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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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    Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

    Recognizing the best fans in sports


    http://www.examiner.com/x-3586-India...fans-in-sports

    Franchise owners, athletes and coaches often thank their fans- the ones they call the "best fans in the world". If you're an avid fan of any particular team, sport or athlete, I'm pretty sure you've heard lines like "without you, we won't be here". And truth be told there's indeed wisdom in that line. I'm not here to discredit the support and value of certain fans to their teams, rather I would like to pay homage to the most loyal and devoted fans out there in our vast and awesome world of sports.

    Looking within, I must say that there's been a huge drop in the Pacers' fan support since Reggie Miller walked away from the game of basketball. I was actually present during Reggie Miller's final game against the Detroit Pistons in the semifinal round of the 2005 NBA playoffs. It was definitely a surreal and touching moment. You can feel the love in the atmosphere when the capacity crowd stood up to applaud and give Reggie what it seemed like a 30-minute ovation during the latter parts of the game. The game had to be paused as the Pistons bench led by their coach Larry Brown went over the Pacers bench to congratulate Reggie as well. Tears were abundant not only among fans, as team officials, family members, players and coaches together with Reggie himself were left teary-eyed by the special moment. It's moments like those that make you feel proud and lucky you're a fan and have been there.

    But since then, add to that the effects of the "brawl", injuries, performance, on top of some questionable trades, the Pacers are among the lowest in crowd attendance. The economy probably played a big role in it too but sometimes you just feel like the Pacers couldn't even get people in the seats even if they gave the tickets away for free. And on several occasions they have done that. Indiana fans love their basketball- it's called the "basketball state" after all. The attendance may have dropped but it doesn't mean fan support has dramatically vanished either. True, there's been a drop but TV ratings for the past 3 seasons are up from previous ones. People are still watching, they just aren't paying to see this team play live like they used to. It comes with the territory here in Indiana I guess, just like most cities. Winning is still a the best attraction. One thing you have to credit Indiana basketball fans however, is the fact that they are probably one of the most knowledgeable in the sport. I've traveled much troughout my life following basketball and I tell you Hoosiers know their basketball.

    Now I'm going to try to determine, based on my experience and feedback from my colleagues and research, who the best fans in the some of the major sports out there.

    Best Fans in the NBA
    Los Angeles Lakers Fans

    (Photo by Andrew D. Bernstein/NBAE via Getty Images)
    This was a tough one. We all know the tradition and mystique behind the Boston Celtics and their die-hard supporters. The New York Knicks and Chicago Bulls also have their share of loyal supporters around the world. But how can you not give it to the Lakers nation? It seems like everywhere Kobe and the Lakers go, whether it be Toronto or Oklahoma, you could be certain there's a good contingency of Lakers fans that will show up. As storied as the Celtics, Knicks and Bulls franchises are and how loyal their fan base is, I never thought I'd see the day when a Boston Celtic arena would cheer and chant M-V-P for an opposing Lakers player. Lakers fans travel well and bring star power too. You already know about Jack Nicholson and all the celebrities from Hollywood. By far Lakers message boards and forums are always the most active on the internet. Try visiting sites such as The Lakers Nations and Lakers Ground and see what I'm talking about. For the past decade the Lake show has definitely been the hottest ticket in any town and definitely couldn't have achieved that without their fans.

    Best Fans in the NFL
    Pittsburgh Steelers Fans

    (Photo by Getty Images)
    This was another tough call. The NFL has some of the greatest fans in all sports. You got the Raider Nation, the Green Bay Packers fans, the Dallas Cowboys fans, the Eagles, Giants and so on and so forth. I had to pick only one however and I give the distinction to the Steel Curtain. Steeler fans go everywhere for their team. It's not hard to spot them either as they often come with their yellow towels ready and maniacally twirl it in the air during games. It also helps that throughout history the Steelers have always had very good teams. The owners of the team, the Rooney family have definitely taken care of their fans and put forth a product they can pull for almost year in and year out. The result, happy fans = the most loyal fans in the sport.

    Best Fans in MLB
    New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox Fans

    (AP Photo/Steve Nesius)
    I know I might come across as a total suck-up right now, but how can you really pick between either of these two? The Yankees and the Red Sox go hand in hand like Oreo cookies and milk. Their rivalry has surpassed sports mythology status. And their fans will not give an inch to the other even if their lives depended on it. You can't really pick which one is better than the other as the fans of both teams share the same amount of devotion and loyalty to their team. Just like Ali and Frazier or Jordan and Pippen, these two teams and their fans are better off next to one another. Take away the other and it just isn't the same. Other notables are Chicago Cubs fans and St. Louis Cardinals fans.
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    Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

    Wow...I don't agree with any of those. I'm a huge MLB fan, and I would say the best fans are Cardinals fans. Packers fans and Bears fans are the best in the NFL and I because this is a Pacers fan forum and we're all crazy passionate...it must be us in the NBA. We have enough passion to carry the team through this tough time and keep our title of best fans.

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    • #3
      Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

      Cardinals, Packers, Bears, and Pacers?

      I sense a Midwest bias haha, are you a Big 10, or a Big 12 guy?

      I'd say Lakers for NBA, but it's easier for them since I can't recall the last time they were actually bad.

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      • #4
        Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

        Any comparison to Lakers fans and those of the Steelers, Packers and Red Sox fans makes me choke. Pehaps LA could match the arrogance of of the Sox fans.
        The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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        • #5
          Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

          Laker fans feel entitled. I would go with Blazer fans but I understand why they aren't well know.
          Steeler fans I can see.
          Yankee or Red Sox fans? Wow talk about detached. I would have to go with either Cards of Cubs fans.

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          • #6
            Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

            Maybe the Lakers are, who knows.

            Population Indy-- 1 million

            Los Angeles------ 1 Billion, or at least several million :-)
            And no football to boot.

            Easy to fill the house with those numbers plus all the superstars through the years.
            {o,o}
            |)__)
            -"-"-

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            • #7
              Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

              Silly subject if you ask me.

              How do you qualify best fans? Most on here are diehard Pacer fans and it's obvious other teams have diehard fans. So how do you decide one fan base is better than another? You can't! No team has better fans than another.

              You can make qualifications, and arrive at conclusions, such as the Lakers have more fans than another team, or the Knicks have more fans than another team, but then the basic reasons for that is a bigger fan base.

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              • #8
                Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

                Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                Silly subject if you ask me.

                How do you qualify best fans? Most on here are diehard Pacer fans and it's obvious other teams have diehard fans. So how do you decide one fan base is better than another? You can't! No team has better fans than another.

                You can make qualifications, and arrive at conclusions, such as the Lakers have more fans than another team, or the Knicks have more fans than another team, but then the basic reasons for that is a bigger fan base.
                This.

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                • #9
                  Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

                  What?! How can you say the Lakers have the best fans. It seems like a good portion of the people that go to those games just attend them as a social function to be seen at rather than as real basketball fans. Even during the Finals last year people were laughing about how disengaged their fans are.

                  I do know that Washington, D.C. sports fans are some of the least enthusiastic and loyal outside of the Redskins and the niche market that likes the United.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

                    This article I think just feeds the machine that is known as the larger market.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

                      Not the people who show up at the games. They really aren't into the games compared to most NBA arenas. They do have a national following though.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

                        LA fans that aren't from LA are just bandwagoners.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          Not the people who show up at the games. They really aren't into the games compared to most NBA arenas. They do have a national following though.
                          Because ESPN loves it when the Lebron Cavs and the Kobe Lakers go for 60+ points.

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                            Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

                            Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                            This article I think just feeds the machine that is known as the larger market.
                            Because Pittsburgh, (#22 on the MSA list), qualifies as a "larger" market?



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                            Historically, I agree with the suggestion of Trail Blazers fans. But that's the catch-22 of David Stern's "market the star players" business model that has been employed for the last 25 years... in football and baseball just about everyone is a fan of the "laundry" regardless of who is wearing it. In basketball (professional), that is only true amongst us that are really into our particular teams.

                            Relative to the Steelers, Cowboys, Giants and Packers, and relative to the Yankees and Red Sox, there just isn't a single great NBA fan base. Knicks fans have had an opportunity to get up there but Dolan & Co. have just made it so hard on them.

                            Back in the mid-90s, nobody would have put the "just jumped off the bandwagon" Lakers and Celtics on any list of good fans.
                            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                            And life itself, rushing over me
                            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                              Re: Do you agree that Lakers fans are the best in the NBA?

                              Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                              Because Pittsburgh, (#22 on the MSA list), qualifies as a "larger" market?

                              LA and NY. They throw in Pitt to make guys like me comment.

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