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"College Hoops no match for the NBA"

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  • #16
    Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

    But the actual game itself is too often painful to watch.
    I really agree with this. If I wasn't looking at prospects I would barely watch any games.

    The thing is I think there are a lot of fans that mistake the simplistic, easy to recognize base strategies of NCAA ball as good fundamentals and the subtle, fast, complex, and extremely hard to follow strategies of the NBA as wide open and unorganized.

    Organization isn't 4 kids on the arc playing pass and catch while one drops to the FT line to break the same old 2-3 zone. Organization is the kind of help defenses and switching that goes on in the NBA even on plays where you let the other team score, or plays in which a back screen from 3 screens ago set up the open jumper that you think the other team "just let him have".

    I mean a dog of a team like OKC features 3 kids that were just monster players in college and were creating havoc for every NCAA team/player that faced them. That's the bottom of the league. And those 3 are even greatly improved at this point. Can you imagine what a college team of Westbrook, Durant and Green would do to the NCAA? Heck, we saw what a group like that did at Florida.
    Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 04-08-2009, 11:41 AM.

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    • #17
      Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

      The defenses in the NBA are so much more complex. NBA teams spend more time on "how to defense the pick and roll" than college teams do on defense as a whole.

      The one argument that I have heard against the NBA for as long as I have been alive is - "you only have to watch the last 5 minutes of an NBA game" I've never undertood what they actually means. In a way how is that different from any other sport. Every sport is better at the end of the game if it is close. I don't understand why the NBA is singled out on this point.

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      • #18
        Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
        I really agree with this. If I wasn't looking at prospects I would barely watch any games.

        The thing is I think there are a lot of fans that mistake the simplistic, easy to recognize base strategies of NCAA ball as good fundamentals and the subtle, fast, complex, and extremely hard to follow strategies of the NBA as wide open and unorganized.

        Organization isn't 4 kids on the arc playing pass and catch while one drops to the FT line to break the same old 2-3 zone. Organization is the kind of help defenses and switching that goes on in the NBA even on plays where you let the other team score, or plays in which a back screen from 3 screens ago set up the open jumper that you think the other team "just let him have".

        I mean a dog of a team like OKC features 3 kids that were just monster players in college and were creating havoc for every NCAA team/player that faced them. That's the bottom of the league. And those 3 are even greatly improved at this point. Can you imagine what a college team of Westbrook, Durant and Green would do to the NBA? Heck, we saw what a group like that did at Florida.
        This post pretty much sums it all up, particularly the 2nd paragraph.

        This should be basic knowledge for anyone watching a good amount of basketball, but somehow this obvious and in front of your nose logic gets thrown out the window.

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        • #19
          Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

          I am not saying that the college teams could compete with the NBA teams, who would, however the article is flawed.
          The article was nothing but a hatchet job on college basketball, period.

          For those who are saying that the NBA plays fundamental basketball, give me a break. There are more uncalled travels and three seconds in the lane and palming and fouling in one NBA game than a whole season of college basketball. Matador defense is the mainstay of NBA style basketball, aka S. Jackson.

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          • #20
            Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

            I agree mostly with the article, particularly about the point that the regular season doesn't get the attention, and that the focus is on March Madness.

            However, I totally disagree about the crowds not getting "into it" because of the neutral sites. I attended the games in Indy this year. The crowd really got into all three games. I suppose you could argue that the proximity of the teams had a lot to do with that.

            However, I also attended the finals last year in San Antonio. Again, the crowds got into all 3 games. But the place was really rockin' for the final of KSU vs Memphis. There didn't seem to be anyone, even if they were wearing UCLA or North Carolina colors, that wasn't loudly rooting for someone in that final game.

            That final game will probably always be one of my favorites as a spectator for the emotion... and I had no skin in the game for any of the 4 teams.

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            • #21
              Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

              Originally posted by beast23 View Post
              However, I totally disagree about the crowds not getting "into it" because of the neutral sites. I attended the games in Indy this year. The crowd really got into all three games. I suppose you could argue that the proximity of the teams had a lot to do with that.

              However, I also attended the finals last year in San Antonio. Again, the crowds got into all 3 games. But the place was really rockin' for the final of KSU vs Memphis. There didn't seem to be anyone, even if they were wearing UCLA or North Carolina colors, that wasn't loudly rooting for someone in that final game.

              That final game will probably always be one of my favorites as a spectator for the emotion... and I had no skin in the game for any of the 4 teams.
              That doesn't come across on TV though -

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              • #22
                Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                That doesn't come across on TV though -
                What, did you have the sound off?
                BillS

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                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                • #23
                  Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

                  No, just his hearing aid.
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • #24
                    Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

                    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                    In the NBA regular season the crowds are mostly dead - but in the playoffs the crowds are great - as good as any college crowd
                    No. No NBA crowd could ever touch the Cameron Crazies or the epic Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk chant at Kansas. NBA crowds would be put to shame by any crowd at an Indiana University basketball game, Kentucky, Michigan State.

                    Just like you can argue that the talent in College Basketball is watered down (no disagreement here), the crowds in the NBA are watered down. Playoffs or not. It's just the nature of the beast.


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                    • #25
                      Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

                      Originally posted by Indy View Post
                      No. No NBA crowd could ever touch the Cameron Crazies or the epic Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk chant at Kansas. NBA crowds would be put to shame by any crowd at an Indiana University basketball game, Kentucky, Michigan State.

                      Just like you can argue that the talent in College Basketball is watered down (no disagreement here), the crowds in the NBA are watered down. Playoffs or not. It's just the nature of the beast.
                      Never been to Duke or Kansas - but just watching it on TV I think most NBA playoff crowds are as good as those places. From a TV viewing perspective.

                      I have been to every Pacers home playoff game and have been to several home IU games and Pacers playoff crowd is comparable to IU's crowd

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                      • #26
                        Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        Never been to Duke or Kansas - but just watching it on TV I think most NBA playoff crowds are as good as those places. From a TV viewing perspective.

                        I have been to every Pacers home playoff game and have been to several home IU games and Pacers playoff crowd is comparable to IU's crowd
                        So do you still 100% agree with the article or are you backtracking a little?

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                        • #27
                          Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

                          Well then it's apparent you don't watch many games of theirs, or atleast home games, because they are flat out LOUD.

                          They stand the entire game, they jump up and down, they body paint, they have unison chants.

                          I've seen the commentators have a thermostat up in the rafters at Cameron Indoor, that's where the press box is for TV commentating, and the temperature is upwards of 100degrees.


                          It's a completely different atmosphere, mostly due to the demographics. (And I'm talking about age here, not race.)
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • #28
                            Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

                            Originally posted by Indy View Post
                            No. No NBA crowd could ever touch the Cameron Crazies or the epic Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk chant at Kansas. NBA crowds would be put to shame by any crowd at an Indiana University basketball game, Kentucky, Michigan State.

                            Just like you can argue that the talent in College Basketball is watered down (no disagreement here), the crowds in the NBA are watered down. Playoffs or not. It's just the nature of the beast.
                            I think you make a good point. The problem with NBA crowds, as in any sport (including NCAA), is that you get a lot of people not interested in the game. They care about the teams but they are casual fans.

                            In college basketball, you have people who may not be into the sport itself but they love and bleed for their university/team. That produces a superior crowd. Now, I'm pretty sure that Garden/Forum in the 80s compares very favorably to college crowds right now. However, right now, with high ticket prices etc., I think you'll get better crowds in college.

                            I think that that stems from more passionate fans of the team, not the sport, that you'll get in college. They don't need to be entertained by jumbotrons - they're at the game to hang out with their friends and cheer on their team raucously.

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                            • #29
                              Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

                              I can't speak on any of this because I am not a college fan at all. But I want to say I have a hard time believeing that any crowd of comparable size would be much louder than game 3 in 94 vs. the Magic.

                              Around 17,000 people (including people with airhorns and congo drums) chanting SWEEP, SWEEP, SWEEP in unison is mighty loud.

                              Game 3 of the NBA finals at the fieldhouse was pretty darn loud as well.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                              • #30
                                Re: "College Hoops no match for the NBA"

                                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                                I can't speak on any of this because I am not a college fan at all. But I want to say I have a hard time believeing that any crowd of comparable size would be much louder than game 3 in 94 vs. the Magic.

                                Around 17,000 people (including people with airhorns and congo drums) chanting SWEEP, SWEEP, SWEEP in unison is mighty loud.

                                Game 3 of the NBA finals at the fieldhouse was pretty darn loud as well.
                                I think anyone could probably point to a single game or even a few in both the NBA and the NCAA that would be hard to top in terms of loudness and excitement. Comparing them against each other is all but impossible.

                                I have to agree with the opposition here, though, and say that on an overall basis, game after game, college crowds are louder and more into the game.

                                It is, as has been said above, the nature of the beast.
                                BillS

                                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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