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    Default Two trades to really move forward

    First, we obviously need to get rid of Tinsley.

    Timberwolves get:

    Jamaal Tinsley 2 yr, 14.85M
    Cash

    Pacers get:

    Brian Cardinal 1 yr, 6.75M
    2010 Highest Second Round Pick

    Then,

    Kings get:

    TJ Ford 2 yr, 17.0M

    Pacers get:

    Kenny Thomas 1 yr, 8.78M
    Kings 2009 Second Round Pick (31st overall)


    What these two trades do is get rid of our logjam of four PG's on the roster. We obviously re-sign Jarrett Jack to be our starting PG, which I figure would cost us $5M next year.

    Our roster then looks like this:

    2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14

    Troy Murphy $11,047,619 $11,968,253
    Mike Dunleavy $9,780,992 $10,561,984
    Kenny Thomas $8,775,000
    Brian Cardinal $6,750,000
    Jeff Foster $6,077,500 $6,655,000
    Danny Granger $9,930,500 $10,973,202 $12,015,904 $13,058,606 $14,021,788
    Jarrett Jack $5,000,000 $5,500,000 $6,000,000
    Brandon Rush $1,934,160 $2,069,040 $2,956,658 $4,089,058
    Travis Diener $1,740,000
    Roy Hibbert $1,575,360 $1,685,280 $2,588,590 $3,655,089
    Stephen Graham $884,881 $959,911
    Josh McRoberts $825,497 $855,189
    Pacers First Rndr $1,902,200 $2,044,900 $2,187,500 $2,786,875 $3,776,216
    Kings Second $457,588 $473,604
    Dallas Second $457,588 $473,604


    TOTALS: $67,138,885 $54,219,967 $25,748,652 $23,589,628 $17,798,004


    This is the assumption that we re-sign McRoberts and Graham for two-year minimum deals, and that we have the 9th overall pick. We stay pretty easily under the proposed $69.8M LT threshold. We add a PG, a PF, and a Wing player. Preferably a PG with our First, a PF with our earlier second and a wing with our later second. This provides us with cap relief and some draft picks to fill out our roster.

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    Default Re: Two trades to really move forward

    I like the Tinsley-Cardinal trade though. I'd hate to give up T.J. in a trade.

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    The TJ Ford trade is just horrible. Why would we do that? To dump salary? If thats the case, we would do that near the trade deadline, but its such a lop sided trade, it'll never happen. We could get way more for Ford.

    Tinsley for Thomas might be a better trade

    I think those 2 Pacers actually cripple the Pacers instead of helping them
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    Default Re: Two trades to really move forward

    Regarding the first trade:

    The most cash you can throw in a trade is $3M (IIRC). So Minnesota is taking on Tinsley's deal of ~$15M in exchange for $3M cash and sending out Cardinals' ~ $7M deal. So in the net effect, the TWolves would be spending $5M just to acquire the Pacers' 2nd round pick.

    There isn't a single owner in pro sports who would make that kind of trade, regardless of what kind of economic situation the country is in.

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    Default Re: Two trades to really move forward

    DC I have to disagree... its not $5M for our second rounder. From a basketball perspective they are getting a shot at a legit PG, since they have a gaping hole at that position. They are giving up a waste of a roster spot in Cardinal for Tinsley. I think that is a very lopsided trade in terms of basketball talent. More so than the offset in the value of their contracts. In terms of straight dollars yeah you are right, but you have to look at it from a basketball perspective.

    Also, In response to the TJ trade. I was figuring we could have gotten one of Minny's late firsts instead of the second. That was my original thought actually, but I was trying to keep the costs down on the pick when running the scenario so that we could re-sign Jack for about $5M. They have three selections over the course of about ten picks. We could get Miami or Utah's pick that they own, whichever is higher I am sure. That would be a fair price for TJ to get an expiring and mid-late first. I was just going with the first selection of the second because it was only worth about 500K, but seeing that we would be able to take on the extra 500K for the higher pick I think we would do a deal like that.

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    Jamaal Tinsley is on the wrong side of 30 and hasn't played an NBA game in over a year now. He needs to prove he's still a viable NBA player on the court before you call him a legitimate solution again to anyone's problems.

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    Default Re: Two trades to really move forward

    I guess I am assuming that Tinsley isn't the size of Oliver Miller. But I do believe that NBA contracts do have a loophole in them about being out of shape. That's why Riley uses it against some of his players. And is probably a big reason for Tinsley to stay in shape while he sits.

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    I guess I am assuming that Tinsley isn't the size of Oliver Miller. But I do believe that NBA contracts do have a loophole in them about being out of shape. That's why Riley uses it against some of his players. And is probably a big reason for Tinsley to stay in shape while he sits.
    IIRC, Riley was able to fine some of his out of shape players a few thousdand dollars and had them sit out, but nothing more than that. It's not like the league gave the Heat any kind of cap relief because their players were out of shape.

    Bottom line is if this is the kind of stuff teams have to worry about with Tinsley, he's going to be viewed as more trouble than he's worth, which is pretty much the case right now.

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