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The Wolf Game 2 - Day 8 - And the End cometh

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  • #91
    Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Playing, Play... DOH!

    Let's see 3 for 3!

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    • #92
      Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Playing, Play... DOH!

      The ballot is way too confusing, so I refuse to vote...
      Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
      I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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      • #93
        Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Playing, Play... DOH!

        Whirlwind Twisters Twisted

        The Gamemaster sat at this table with his hands in his hair.
        How could this game have escaped their attention, how come they had not foreseen that something might go wrong after all these years, nutcases anywhere in society, so why not in the park’s staff?

        It was clear that more then just a few participants were crazy, some even believed they were really dead, well perhaps they were right, certainly the ones that were “executed” by majority or was that mayority, vote. Now however it was time to change things around.
        Not only had someone sabotaged the game in that the killing was real, there was evidence about that they had done more then not simply play by the old established rules……

        The last explosion however had “leaked” into the open part of the park, esteemed dignitaries visiting the park had not been overly enthusiastic about the particles of humanoid mixed with Scooby snacks that landed on their “terrine de poison” and in their glasses of Margeaux Chardonnay that accompanied that.
        It had raised many a nasty and shaky question about this closed part of the park, none of which could be answered in honesty, so spinning became the name of the game.
        Then “he” got a call: solve it, one way or the other, carte blanche, but solve it or be out of a job” and there he was…… thinking, scheming and plotting against it all.


        The day in the park had been long, longer then expected, longer then anticipated, gruelling hot, with no place to go and nothing to do but think, which was exactly what Obnoxiousmodesty was doing when he was sitting outside of his cottage that afternoon. He had paid little or no attention to the voting and had missed the entire ruckus about time limits, in fact he didn’t care. If they wanted him they could wait for him.
        It was at that precise moment that the last wave of horror connected to the explosion silently hit the game-grounds……The place where Hicks exploded had been the “hiding” place for the chips that were issued when the game started, but were never used, however nobody had noticed that the chips were missing from their little box on the wall, in fact the entire box and a large part of the wall were missing to, that’s what C4 can do for you, just ask Snickers…

        Together with the Hicks particles the chips had become air born, but being heavier they had not reached the outside of the game area, instead they had lodged in the lunch for that afternoon and miraculously one chip had ended up in each lunchbox and had been consumed by everyone that same afternoon.

        Now, unbeknown to the players, they all of a sudden had the parts that were programmed so long ago, and over the remainder of the day they forgot their original assignments and the chip’s controls took over……..

        That was the main reason for Obnoxiousmodesty was so slow in calling the vote, this was not his destination, someone else was to be mayor, someone else played that part, he was … What was he?


        One thing though the chip builders had not counted on and that was the fact that with the chips, parts of Hicks were administered as well which allowed for some very weird results…….

        You have all been PM’d with new assignments and roles, There are 3 Wolves still at large, 10 humans, one of them is mayor, there is also one seeker, the dead will not rise, except for one, who is now a part of everyone and can be either human or wolf and as such will vote in the place of someone but it will not be revealed who.

        That being said, the game continued…………………………………?? ?


        And it was then that the bells rang, never heard before, they were all of a sudden drawn to the dome, where their (new) mayor awaited them to cast their vote……
        Somehow no one was surprised to see Snickers take the rostrum and address the gaterhed remainder of the players.

        The hunt was still on, despite the changes.








        Some small changes to the rules also:

        Wolves PM me personally with their choice, no wolf knows who the other is, only I know all the players’ parts.
        When they all propose a different person, I will answer them with their choices and they will choose one of them.

        Humans still vote in public, the mayor can still overrule them, unless 80% wants a new mayor.

        The seeker’s role is still the same; he can answer the nature of one player per voting round.


        Let the voting commence.

        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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        • #94
          Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

          DOWN WITH THE FORMER MAYOR! I believe he is now a wolf!!!!!

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          • #95
            Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

            NO! Lets ask the seeker about the nature of our former mayor first!
            2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

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            • #96
              Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

              the seeker can ask me what the role is of one specific player he can nto tell anyone of hois role, he can however try to convince people,

              So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

              If you've done 6 impossible things today?
              Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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              • #97
                Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

                Originally posted by btowncolt
                We can lynch ObNox. Since he always went with the mob, let HIM feel some mob justice!
                It just goes to show, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

                Nice change-up able.
                Take me out to the black, tell 'em I ain't coming back. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.

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                • #98
                  Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

                  Let the crazy guy with the C4 be the mayor, huh?

                  Good thinking.

                  Now, vote! None of us have any idea what role the rest have, so it can't be easy to pick out a wolf.... I may go with the majority on this vote, since I don't have any better idea than the rest of you.
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                  • #99
                    Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

                    I would like a PM from the mayor concerning the vote.
                    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                    • Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

                      Originally posted by able
                      I would like a PM from the mayor concerning the vote.
                      Forthcoming.
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                      • Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

                        Splish Splash Splatter
                        another one bites the dust


                        It was a subdued atmosphere in the camp, the overnight changes had influenced the mood somewhat, few if any remembered themselves or others in their “previous” life, but somehow the atmosphere was less loose.

                        Votes had been made throughout the day, people still getting used to their new personae and now once again totally clueless about other people’s part.

                        Snickers still had this weird urges for playing with C4, but had no idea how he got them and wondered what brought it about, Mourning was still orange coloured, the chips had not changed anyone’s colour so his was still the same to, but as all others he was clueless as to how he got to be this way, which on a side note, was not the only thing he was clueless about.

                        Hoop was shooting some hoops at the side of the building, enjoying the weather and wondering what was next, with in the shadow obnoxiousmodesty looking on, somewhat nervous, after all there were quite a few people that had voted for him and made such public knowledge by shouting that he had done a bad job, but what job would that be he wondered????

                        Snickers came out to the middle of the court, looking at the rostrum, carrying a small parcel in his hand, and decided not to climb the rostrum, somehow he felt that it would make him an easy target and what’s more, single him out to much, after all people tended not to look to favourable to mayors in this game, and he would have preferred a lot of roles but this was not his life ambition.

                        He coughed a few times but that drew little attention, so instead he howled loudly, which DID get some attention, in seconds all participants were on the frontcourt and looking somewhat shocked at Snickers.

                        “Thank you for your attention” Snickers said “I have counted your votes and come to the conclusion that you are just as clueless as I am, and therefore I am voting for my own idea, even though I know that won’t go down well, but then again, no matter what I do, you will find a way to say I did wrong anyway, so why am I even bothering”.

                        His voice started out loud and clear but near the end was nothing more then a grumble. So many only heard half of it, but then, where they really interested as long as it wasn’t them?

                        Suddenly Onoxiousmodesty made a run for the parcel that was now to the side of Snickers on the floor, he picked it up, rushed off to the back where he found Nashbro and like a Colts player threw the parcel the shirt distance where an amazed Nashbro knew nothing better to do then pick it up and look ahead silently in utter amazement, What was going on here?

                        Snickers started to shout “NO------------------KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM” and the particles of Nashbro rained down on the frontcourt……..

                        When the silent had returned and the splish-splash of landing parts had died out Snickers continued as if nothing happened; “I have decided that Nashbro is to die, the parcel was his farewell present”.

                        “I still have no idea what made me use the C4, but I must say, it exceeded my expectations as to its usefulness” he continued.

                        The crowd was also silent in amazement, the only sound that could be heard was the hollow laughter of Obnoxiousmodesty who thought he escaped dead once again and was starting to think this game wasn’t as bad as it was made out to be.

                        In the falling light however all of a sudden a shape took form above the frontcourt and within seconds a giant eye was revealed, and after winking a few times, a tear formed in the corner of the eye and when it fell on the frontcourt the eye disappeared, leaving behind the participants wet as if a sudden rain had swept the park.

                        The mood, lightened a few seconds ago over the fact that it wasn’t them that were killed once again changed in to a sullen mood, one of despair that they had killed what little chance they had of “knowing” who was a wolf.

                        With that festive thought they withdrew to their cottages, ready for another night of fright, a night in which the wolves ruled, what would be in stock and what was that threatening ghostly presence they all felt?


                        Wolves; start voting! (pm me)

                        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                        • Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

                          .... the logic behind that was to pick the player who's the least involved in the game, and hopefully would be the least upset to be out of the game.... didn't know nashbro was the seer.
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                          • Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Day 4 - Continued Twists Twist the Twisting

                            Originally posted by btowncolt
                            So......that means Nashbro was the seer, doesn't it? Dammit Snickers, stop forming your own thoughts!
                            It.... it was late, and I was rushed, and I didn't know who to vote for and obnox was the mayor before and I didn't think he was a wolf and I'm sorry!!

                            .... *******.
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                            • Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Night 5 - Splis Splash Splatter

                              hmmm.. a howl to get our attention huh?

                              And you have our seer killed?

                              How many of you think we can vote the mayor out of office....... PERMANANTLY!

                              We'll see how the night goes......this should be interesting.

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                              • Re: The Wolf Game 2 - Night 5 - Splis Splash Splatter

                                "Death smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back." - Maximus

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