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    Default Dun will miss rest of season; Has known about knee issue for 10 years

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    One good season+knee that has been an issue for 10 years+Dun's contract=One of the most overpaid players in the NBA.

    I hate to be that blunt about it, but that is pretty much how I feel about Dun right now. I know he didn't miss a ton of games his first six years, but this sounds like one of those things that wasn't properly dealt with and will now haunt him the rest of his career.

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    Default Re: Dun will miss rest of season; Has known about knee issue for 10 years

    Surgery now should ensure he's ready for next year, no?
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    Default Re: Dun will miss rest of season; Has known about knee issue for 10 years

    I'll take a bone spur over micro-fracture, etc any day. Kinda wierd though how noone seems to agree on how to address it. Wonder if it's on the underside of the knee cap or something odd like that.
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    Default Re: Dun will miss rest of season; Has known about knee issue for 10 years

    Wow.

    I wonder if we knew this when he passed the Pacers physical.
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    I'll take a bone spur over micro-fracture, etc any day. Kinda wierd though how noone seems to agree on how to address it. Wonder if it's on the underside of the knee cap or something odd like that.
    It's a calcification of the patella-fibular tendon, if I understand correctly.
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    Surgery now should ensure he's ready for next year, no?
    To me, I have to think that there is permanent damage from waiting to address it for this long.

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    If surgery will remedy the problem he should have had it the day the Pacers decided to have him sit out the rest of the year. I am slightly confused as to why it is taking so long to figure out what the proper step to take is.
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    One good season+knee that has been an issue for 10 years+Dun's contract=One of the most overpaid players in the NBA.

    I hate to be that blunt about it, but that is pretty much how I feel about Dun right now. I know he didn't miss a ton of games his first six years, but this sounds like one of those things that wasn't properly dealt with and will now haunt him the rest of his career.
    Don't forget during those ten years he played the high majority of his games, so I wouldn't imply he's been hiding something.

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    Default Re: Dun will miss rest of season; Has known about knee issue for 10 years

    Well, at least his contract is up in two years (after this season is over). This is a bad situation, but at least it is not Gilbert Arenas-type bad.

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    One good season+knee that has been an issue for 10 years+Dun's contract=One of the most overpaid players in the NBA.

    I hate to be that blunt about it, but that is pretty much how I feel about Dun right now. I know he didn't miss a ton of games his first six years, but this sounds like one of those things that wasn't properly dealt with and will now haunt him the rest of his career.
    Calm down there fella. I don't think it's that bad. Sure he says it's been hurting for 10 years, but it's not his fault they didn't find and fix the problem. He is not overpaid when he is healthy because he is valuable in many ways. Great scorer, playmaker, good rebounder, and he takes a fair share of charges and is a great leader and teammate and is great off the floor as well.

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    If surgery will remedy the problem he should have had it the day the Pacers decided to have him sit out the rest of the year. I am slightly confused as to why it is taking so long to figure out what the proper step to take is.
    Man, I called it at the beginning of the year. He'd spend the season trying to rest and rehab, then at the end of the season he'd discover he needed surgery (the surgery he could have gotten in September). He'd have surgery over the summer, spend the rest of the summer rebuilding the knee, then come into camp next year rusty and out of shape.

    I feel like I've seen this before somewhere.
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    If it is just a large bone spur I think he should just get the surgery over with and start to rehab with the idea of playing next season. I had a patellar bone spur removed a few years back and was back to almost normal in eight weeks or so. It usually can be done arthroscopically so it's not all that bad. The fact that he let it linger for 10 years is a bit crazy though.

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    Man, I called it at the beginning of the year. He'd spend the season trying to rest and rehab, then at the end of the season he'd discover he needed surgery (the surgery he could have gotten in September). He'd have surgery over the summer, spend the rest of the summer rebuilding the knee, then come into camp next year rusty and out of shape.

    I feel like I've seen this before somewhere.
    Unfortunately.


    Man, and I was the guy begging for a Dun for draft pick trade last summer. I wanted Dun to be what they used to get back into the draft around 17-21, mainly to get Rush. Of course ironically they did get back in and did get Rush, but without trading Dun and by drafting Rush higher.

    Still can you imagine if Dun had been sent out for another pick in that deep draft. Chalmers, Arthur, Lee, Speights, Weaver...lot of guys that would have produced a lot more this year for a lot less than Dun did.

    Meh, spilt milk I guess. It's just frustrating knowing that I was so passionate about it and seeing so much of this pan out like this. It just seems like if it was obvious to me it would have been obvious to them, even without the injury.

    I mean they've played without him so we know how that would have gone, except that imagine it's just like this except you aren't paying his contract AND you have another talented young player. That's what we would have had if they had simply traded him even if he was totally healthy.


    Meanwhile so many of us didn't believe he'd come back, so many posts said this would linger all year, etc, and then here it is. It's a freaking joke.

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    Default Re: Dun will miss rest of season; Has known about knee issue for 10 years

    ....who HASN'T known about his knee injury for the last 10 years? The guy wore a freaking knee brace.

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    Man, I called it at the beginning of the year. He'd spend the season trying to rest and rehab, then at the end of the season he'd discover he needed surgery (the surgery he could have gotten in September). He'd have surgery over the summer, spend the rest of the summer rebuilding the knee, then come into camp next year rusty and out of shape.

    I feel like I've seen this before somewhere.
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    Calm down there fella. I don't think it's that bad. Sure he says it's been hurting for 10 years, but it's not his fault they didn't find and fix the problem. He is not overpaid when he is healthy because he is valuable in many ways. Great scorer, playmaker, good rebounder, and he takes a fair share of charges and is a great leader and teammate and is great off the floor as well.
    Apparently, I can't criticize players anymore without being told I'm not calm?

    Where in my original post did it seem I was attacking or agitated?

    Dun has only had one good season. Everything else he has done has been average. His contract hurts him even more.

    I was with Seth last summer, we should have moved Dun for a draft pick.

    I'm not saying Dun was hiding something or anything like that, my point is simple, like Kstat said Dun has worn a knee brace for many years, he SHOULD have had this taken a seriously look at when he was younger. If it was bad enough to wear the brace, he should have taken the time to seek out as many opinions as possible. Now we are talking about what I'm sure is a fairly serious surgery considering how many opinions he is getting on it, and he is much older. That's not even taking into account the damage that has been caused over the years by waiting this long.

    Look, I'm sure Dun's a good guy and he's a decent ball player, but he's not worth his contract based on his production over his career. This just hurts him even more in my eyes. I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around as to why it took this long to figure out what was wrong, and Dun has to shoulder some of it. I'm not calling him a liar or anything like that, just saying someone along the way dropped the ball on this.

    Just cause Dun is a Pacer and a good guy doesn't mean I can't send a little criticism his way.

    I see JO Part Deux written all over this.
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    I see JO Part Deux written all over this.
    Way too early for that, in my own universe of bad feelings, but given our team history of late, wouldn't be surprised if we keep seeing that comparison...until Mike comes back and proves it wrong (I hope).
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    Way too early for that, in my own universe of bad feelings, but given our team history of late, wouldn't be surprised if we keep seeing that comparison...until Mike comes back and proves it wrong (I hope).
    The problem is, JO we had to dig through a lot of media and Pacer fluff. Dun's injury has always been pretty out in the open, it has always sounded bad and it's not really sounding any better. IMO, we're seeing what the JO situation would have looked like had we had a more open press discussion about it.

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    Anybody have recovery time estimates for whatever this surgery is?...Dunleavy called it a bone spur on the patellar tendon. I don't understand how you have a bone spur on a tendon, but I'm sure there are medically hip folks on the site that can work their way through the vernacular.

    I saw Anthem's description, but I don't know where he got that.
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    If anybody can talk to him, tell him to take Natures Sunshine's Herbal CA. 8 per day for about 8 weeks. It will disolve his calcification. No surgery needed.

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    I'm not sure anyone would be trading for Dun given his medical history, lack of defense and athleticism, and his huge contract, especially one that would take up valuable cap space in the summer of 2010.

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    The Pacers are not telling the entire story, as usual. From what I've heard bones spurs are not the major problem, Dun has bone on bone, just like Bender and JO. Without microfracture surgery it's unlikely he'll be back healthy.... ever. I hope my info is wrong, but I don't think It is.

    If it was as simple as a bone spur they could have went in with a scope ground off the bone spur and he would not have missed a significant amount of time.
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    If anybody can talk to him, tell him to take Natures Sunshine's Herbal CA. 8 per day for about 8 weeks. It will disolve his calcification. No surgery needed.
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    Bone spurs are really weird, it took the Spurs 8 months to find one on Ian Mahimi's ankle..they are always strange strange things.


    But it doesn't sound serious. It's something that usually isn't treatable without surgery and the most important thing is to reduce it and make sure the damage around the spur is fixed.

    Dun should be fine as long as he managed it as well as he did the first 6 seasons of his career.

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    Ugh. Sounds like Bender all over again.

    I like Dun. He seems to be a good person and is a good player. But it's starting to become more and more obvious that the Pacers would be better off with Quis than Dun.

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