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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

    OK, I unpinned the other ones, and have collected (thanks Hicks) a lot of stuff, there is more out there, and there will be more out there, but I want just ONE thread to cover it all.

    As some of you may have noticed, this board also has a todo thingie, I will use that here, not in this thread but for this board, and basically everything posted in here will go in to my todo.

    Now for somethigns you need explanation, I will do that here and then add them to the "FAQ" yes, this site has a FAQ and also a decent help section which we will improve, in that we can explain things, and find new things out.
    I appreciate help on doing that. lemme know

    There is some stuff you will have to get used to and some that will or is worked on. Again, all of that is handled in this thread and this thread only.
    If you post it seperately you have a decent chance of me not noticing it

    If you have problems with a browser, or that you think are only you, then feel free to email me, able@able-towers.com and I promise you I will look into it and try to help you asap. Please however be aware that I need a clear description of you problem and any possible error code it produces.

    Now back to current matters:

    Signatures:
    this is a bug, the comma cuts it off, for now not use a comma, the bug has been reported and will be fixed int he next update on Sun or Mon. (not the one yet that I'm going to do in a little while)

    Smileys:
    Mozilla (Firefox?) users have a problem with this, it is being worked on, in the update of today some issues to make the forum W3C complient are addressed more to come of that over the coming weeks for now, pls just type them (if you click all you see the code in the list)

    HTML pasting:
    At this moment the board is not set to "What You See Is What You Get" (wysiwyg) however we will set it back to that again, the only reason it is not now is because there is a small problem with posting html then. after the weekend this will be fixed and those pasting html code (copy and paste a page from antoher site for instance) need to do something to make it "easy" to do so.
    Before posting you select "html" in the pull down menu next to the box you paste in, then paste.
    You will then find that is works fine.
    (that is only applicable when wysiwyg is on)

    "clickable bbCode":
    As you saw when we had wysiwyg on, when that is on you will get a box/bar just like on the old board which allows you to click on an icon like there.
    Since this is off it does not show, when it is on it will show again.
    In the mean time you can click on the bbCode (and yes that works in all browsers) however it does not (unlike phpBB) give you the "close" tag straight away. If you insert what you want and are done, you click "ctrl-space" and it will create the closing tag.

    URL posting:
    This again is a matter of wysiwyg on or off, as long as it is off you need to enter bbCode to show it as a link, either use the menu or type [url] url goes here [/url ] yes without the spaces

    Ok add your stuff, comment wishes whatever, remember ALL in this thread only.

    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!


  • #2
    Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

    Speed:
    The board at this moment in time still uses MySql which is simply not adequate for a board this size.
    What many forget is that this board is extrmely active (and you wonder why he was thrown out of another host ) at the moment around 9 thousand posts a month are added that is 300 a day, the database holds almost 70 thousand posts.
    MySql load is therefore high, I am working on running this same software on Oracle, while it is capable of PostGres I do not have enough exptertise mysqlf to do that, and for Oracle I have a great guy who can solve any problem with that onl;y problem is that the software for this board running oracle is still "Beta". I am however discussing letting my guy help them to speed that up in the coming one or two weeks.
    Speed has already improved over the start, and I will tweak MySql more to make it better in the meanwhile, but do no expect miracles in the time waiting for the Oracle setup.

    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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    • #3
      Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

      Ok, Since I send the developers an email (now an hour ago and please remember, they are in the UK to ) I got a reply and therefore I can update some stuf fhere as in "reporting":

      The "sig-bug" will be worked out in the next update.
      The "IE 6.0" in the header as "guest", this will be changed in one of the upcoming updates to "N x IE6.0" where N = natural number.

      In a future release we will be able to set the "most used" smileys in the box you see next to the post.
      The way the main smiley screen pops up will be made into the way it was on the previous BB.
      The Vote (now shows to vote again when you already voted, will be changed to show the result.

      Link on the bottom will be added for returning/hyper jump

      On marking the threads read:
      1. bottom of screen: mark all forums read
      2. on top of threadl mark all posts read

      but if you want more:

      When you read the thread, it marks it read. If you prefer the threads inside
      a forum to be marked read when you mark a forum read, there's an option in
      the "Edit Profile" in the User Area for it.

      there ya go


      So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

      If you've done 6 impossible things today?
      Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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      • #4
        Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

        Originally posted by Hicks
        OK, so starting when you add this next upgrade in half an hour, after every upgrade can you give us a report on what it does? That would be VERY much appreciated. Thank you again, able.
        - New (optional) search SideBar for MSIE, displaying a search box, a couple of quick user stats and some frequently used user options.

        - Default Post Format options, allowing you to make the default selected option "html" or "plain" rather than bbCode.

        - The first step towards w3c validation - default templates and the main board page. As releases go on, we'll be tightening up the HTML all over the board, then switching to 4.01 Strict, then finally XHTML 1.0.

        - New poll type: Quiz. Posting a quiz presents users with multiple choice questions. Users are then scored in a "Top Scores" list depending on the percentage of questions they answered correctly.
        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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        • #5
          UPDATE

          This is an update on the above post.
          Several questions are answered here, and will also be moved to the FAQ, however to keep the thread readable and informative as it was planned it is "pruned"

          Q. The "lastest post" button doesn't work. It just goes to the first.

          A. it does that intermittently, we are working on finding out why.

          Q. About the sidenar pop-up for MSIE users:
          Is this turned on by default?

          A. I'm trying to find out, there will be an option to turn it off I'm sure.


          Q. On the old board, when you decided not to read a thread, then logged off, the next time you logged in it would be displayed as read. Is there any way we could get that feature back?

          A. no this board works as it should, if I log off, but haven't read certain posts I either want to see them later on, or if not, I mark them "read".

          Q. When i go to www.pacersdigest.com it sends me to the page telling me its redirecting me to the site and then it automatically loads a page that says "sidebar" at the top? How do I make it so it goes to the Index automatically?

          A. it should either in a 2nd screen load the page, or do so on the right side of the popup. at least that is what it does for me when using MSIE.

          Q. When is the chat room gonna start working and when it does will it just be for games or will it work all the time (like when renaldo works with dangeresque)

          A. there are two options: 1. the "real" chatroom, aka the pacersgamechat, which is a seperate irc server that can be on all the time, I am moving the one we used, but since it's off-season I'm not in a hurry. that is the link in the top.
          Option 2 is the chat-room on this board, (integrated) which is fully HTML and can be accessed by clicking on "chatting" in the top on Who's Online. that is always on and available (at least for now) but it is html so there is a reasonable amount of delay
          In the end we will poll which to use permanently.

          Q. spellchecker is not working

          A. I know it is not working at the moment, that is due to an error in a perl module, which is totally out of our control. I have asked my own coder to see if he can find it ahead of the team that wrote the module, but that is not very likely, yet we ARE working on it, also looking for a way to downgrade the module we are using, but again, that is not easy.

          I know the problem exists, it is not the fault of the forum software but my server that runs a module that has a bug.

          Q. where to get help besides this thread?

          A. try clicking on the "help" button in the top

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          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

          If you've done 6 impossible things today?
          Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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          • #6
            Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

            Pop up for PM's added
            So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

            If you've done 6 impossible things today?
            Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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            • #7
              Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

              Originally posted by MSA2CF
              able, perhaps I am doing it wrong. I select a between date, type in my name, select a forum that my thread was in, typed in the subject of my thread and clicked search. It said no matches were found. What did I do wrong?
              Try to give some broader search pattern, the more data you give the more precise it has to be f.i. searching for "the tech thread that ends all tech threads will succeed, but putting in one letter wrong and it wont, whereas the result with just "tech thread" will be more then fine
              So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

              If you've done 6 impossible things today?
              Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

                Well for those who are keeping track, another update and another number of changes, like some requests we made last week

                - Forum jump, to easily jump between forums.

                - "Short" time option, displays time in am/pm rather than 24-hour. This option is in your User Area->Edit Profile button.
                - New option to specify which emoticons go in the Emoticons Box when making a post (12 max). (see user area)

                - Thread views option, shows how many people have viewed a thread.

                - Collate who's online guests (for example "4 of IE6.0" rather than listing "IE6.0" 4 times

                -option to turn on or off the sightof avatars as well as sigs. (user are profile)

                And some stuff only of importance to me (cmdline options )


                Hey check out your user profile settings, and have fun



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                So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                • #9
                  Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

                  Originally posted by Hoop
                  Originally posted by able
                  Originally posted by Hoop
                  Request

                  Is there anyway to turn on a feature that puts a flag on threads that you have responded to.

                  vBulletin automatically puts a black dot on threads that you've responded to.
                  In the user area you can "subscribe" to threads which sort of does the same, there is also a "my threads" selection which holds ALL your posts, in order, last one last.
                  there are more options there, I suggest you have a looksee.
                  I knew about the "subscribe" feature and "my threads", not what I was asking. Just checking to see if that feature was available. No biggy. Thanks


                  Sorry, had to read it a few times to grasp what you meant seems my English is getting worse by the day, I was looking for words the other night, that hasn't happened to me for 20 years, unless I was trying to sound intelligent in Chinese

                  I now get the idea, will add this as an idea to the coders, see what they say

                  I have high hopes

                  So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                  If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                  Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                  • #10
                    Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

                    Originally posted by Doug
                    Hello Able,

                    Does the NNTP interface listed in "other ways to access this forum" work? I get a "connection refused"

                    I was thinking of using it for RoboDoug.

                    No worries if it doesn't. I'm not sure when I'll actually get around to it.

                    Doug
                    I'll fix that the coming days


                    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                    • #11
                      Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

                      I.E. 6.0 not clicking on smileys: if you are the only one with that problem the likelyhood is that it is a local problem.
                      Empty cache and temp and restart IE to try again.

                      As on "swapping" columns: 1. they added them on our request, swapping them will not be "as easy" since this constitutes a changes inthe dbase structure, nonetheless a request was made on "how to do this" without making a mess of the database.

                      On posts "deleted" and show of disrespect: If that are your thoughts then so be it, I can not remember ever disrespecting anyone on here. however if posts are either worked on, out of our hands or not directly of a major importance to remain on this thread then they are taken out by me, for the simple reason of leaving that what is of "some" importance, in the end the FAQ will end up with all the fruit of this labour, untill then this thread should be slightly ahead of the FAQ.

                      questions as "please change the column order on counting columns" is not of a major importance and a "preference" of a few users only that are "used to" another order. whereas those that are new will be upset should the change succeed and they have to get used to another "order".

                      Things not working, technical improvements, additions to the software and so on, questions on "how to do a prticualr thing" will have preference and are still deleted once they are either answered and added to FAQ or "under orders". Questions that remain in here are unanswered or move to "to-do".


                      <EDIT>: I am the only one deleting posts from this thread btw, as I am also the one who solves most of the problems (delegation is the keyword here btw)

                      So if you disagree, talk to me.
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                      So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                      If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                      Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                      • #12
                        Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

                        some additional remarks:

                        There are some problems with the 12 hour time setting, this is known and will be fixed.

                        When you have problems with a feature on the board, pls be specific, tell us:
                        A. the Operating System you use
                        B. The Browser + VERSION
                        C. an error message if one is given
                        D. What you did (for attempts of replication)


                        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                        • #13
                          Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

                          Originally posted by able
                          On posts "deleted" and show of disrespect: If that are your thoughts then so be it, I can not remember ever disrespecting anyone on here.
                          Hey, I was just kidding about the lack of respect. I know you're trying to keep this thread clean....

                          Now please delete this one......
                          PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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                          • #14
                            Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

                            If we just flip them, it's just like it was on phpBB. I'd rather it be like that.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The TECH thread that will end all tech threads

                              Originally posted by Hicks
                              If we just flip them, it's just like it was on phpBB. I'd rather it be like that.

                              Hey, that's what I said....eak:

                              PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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