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Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

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  • #16
    Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

    Originally posted by Einstein View Post
    I would love to see Rush out there doing well. However, watching him play offense, I'm often thinking "what was that?". I worry that Rush just doesn't have offensive talent to really contribute. With Hibbert its different. I can see the potential and see the talent. He makes mistakes, but those can be fixed.

    Rush really needs to work with that new shot coach. With that athleticism, he might combine an adequate jumper with power to the rim and contribute.
    Rush is fine. He might be struggling with his fg% but he has great form. He does a fine job on defense. He should benefit more from more playing time. I was watching the game against Charlotte and Clark Kellog said he his a volume shooter. I think he will be able to get more shots with Danny Granger out let's see how he does.

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    • #17
      Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

      Of course Kravitz is going to say this. You know, this is no big surprise that are chances are shot with Danny out on top of Mike and Jeff...

      I don't understand how so much can be written over the obvious.

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      • #18
        Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

        Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
        No really I saw an AP guy on PD during a game once.
        That's awesome.
        This space for rent.

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        • #19
          Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

          hey, we have something in common now!

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

          Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
          Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
          NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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          • #20
            Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            If JOB is going to get some of the blame for Rush's problems, then JOB deserves a lot of the credit for Hibberts recent play (I think he's really improved from earlier in the season)

            Just exactly what has JO'B done to receive this credit of Hibbert's recent play other than give the kid some PT? He sure can't take the credit for the improvement in Hibbert's shooting. That credit goes to Billy Keller.

            If coaches were tradeable, JO'B would be the Tinsley of coaches. No one would trade for him and the Pacers would be stuck with another contract they couldn't get rid of until it expired or was boughtout.

            Now, with the injury to Granger and Dunleavy, let's see how JO'B coaches. Will he stay with what's not been a success the last 56 games or will he try and play a different style with the loss of the best 2 players who contributes 40 points in a system of run n gun. If he continues this system, just how many teams is he going to out gun? Slowing it down, going with a bigger lineup, and playing some of that thing he gives lip service to called DEFENSE might be something for him to consider for more than 1-2 seconds. Surely, he isn't going to go with business as usual thinking Rush, Quis, and Graham are going to fill the void in his run n gun system. Let's see his coaching skills you keep praising him for surface with the present scenario that has been presented with injuries.

            Why is it I have more faith in Skiles with his injuries of Redd, Ridnour, and Bogut than I do with JO'B and the Pacers injured players? Neither is in a good situation to say the least, but I see Skiles doing a better job. Maybe it's the different style of games they coach... one emphasizes "D" and the other doesn't. JMOAA

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            • #21
              Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

              Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
              .... No really I saw an AP guy on PD during a game once.
              I see them all the time sitting at the press table.

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              • #22
                Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

                Even though Kravitz's columns never enlighten me in any way- they're still important. Not for us fans who keep track of every little thing that happens to the team. His articles are meant for the other thousands of fans who still think the Pacers are the same old group of thugs from a few seasons ago. The fans who are not coming to the games anymore. I'm glad he at least got it right this time.

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                • #23
                  Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

                  At what point does The Star get rid of this loser. This is the first time I think I have agreed with the sentiment of one of his articles. But he still goes out of his way to be an overwhelming *******. When will they get a real Pacers fan in there to paint the town Blue and GOLD!?!?! Why not bring in somebody who cares enough to piece together more than four articles a season based loosely on what he heard on ESPN two weeks ago. (And I really get aggravated with ESPN sometimes).

                  I am officially starting the "Fire Kravitz" club.
                  "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                  • #24
                    Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

                    Originally posted by Einstein View Post
                    I would love to see Rush out there doing well. However, watching him play offense, I'm often thinking "what was that?". I worry that Rush just doesn't have offensive talent to really contribute. With Hibbert its different. I can see the potential and see the talent. He makes mistakes, but those can be fixed.

                    Rush really needs to work with that new shot coach. With that athleticism, he might combine an adequate jumper with power to the rim and contribute.
                    Rush started the season shooting the ball really well. He had a good preseason and he carried that over to the regular season. He hasn't been the same since the bad shooting night against the Clippers (IIRC... maybe it was Philly). Granger was out and he got the start and went 5-21 or something ridiculous like that. He's been out-of-sync offensively ever since.

                    His defense is still good. He's probably our best perimeter defender on the team and at worse he could be a Bruce Bowen clone. However, he has shown at times that he has good offensive talent and could be a very good player once the game slows down for him and he gets his confidence back.

                    Granger went through a similar period during his rookie season too. He turned out okay.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

                      Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                      At what point does The Star get rid of this loser.
                      I am officially starting the "Fire Kravitz" club.
                      They have a reputation of biased, senseless, and uninformative information to uphold. They aren't letting this gem go.

                      That club was started a loooong time ago, buddy.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

                        How about the "Finally Fire Kravitz in 2009 Fan Club"?
                        "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                        • #27
                          Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

                          Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                          How about the "Finally Fire Kravitz in 2009 Fan Club"?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

                            Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                            At what point does The Star get rid of this loser. This is the first time I think I have agreed with the sentiment of one of his articles. But he still goes out of his way to be an overwhelming *******. When will they get a real Pacers fan in there to paint the town Blue and GOLD!?!?! Why not bring in somebody who cares enough to piece together more than four articles a season based loosely on what he heard on ESPN two weeks ago. (And I really get aggravated with ESPN sometimes).

                            I am officially starting the "Fire Kravitz" club.
                            Yikes, that isn't the job of a newspaper columnist!!! The last thing I want is a columnist who's a cheerleader for the team. That's what Conrad and Pacers.com is for. I'd settle for a columnist that knows the local sporting scene which is NBA, NFL, Motor sports, and Local Prep. He/She needs to be objective and fair. Jock the team when they think they are doing well and slap 'em around when they do something that the columnist believes is screwed up. My biggest complaint is that Kravitz seems to come off as a "bomb thrower" (Thanks Peck). If one stance is popular, he'll take the other side of an argument just to stir the pot. To me, it seems less then genuine, but it will get the largest reaction.

                            Kravitz pretty much nailed this column but, it doesn't stop me from thinking of some of his more "shakey" work involving his knowledge of the NBA. Also, how can you have a columnist that has a very limited knowledge of auto racing when Indy is considered the racing capital of the world?

                            I'd like for Kravitz to be done here, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon because he's very polarizing and when people talk or gripe about him.... It brings attention to The Star. I only ask that they bring in another columnist for sports, so we can get another perspective and maybe a little banter when Kravitz goes "off the reservation".

                            Do you guys remember The Stars ad campaign when they brought Kravitz on board at The Star? It was a bunch of folks griping about him, and the billboards about stating, "You're going to love to hate this guy" with his picture. Hating the guy is only going to snug his seat belt for the job. That is what they want.
                            Last edited by Roaming Gnome; 02-20-2009, 01:24 PM.
                            ...Still "flying casual"
                            @roaminggnome74

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                            • #29
                              Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

                              Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                              I am officially starting the "Fire Kravitz" club.
                              I already started it. Welcome.

                              I've actually vowed to stop reading the Star until this clown is gone. Similar to what a lot of people in Chicago did due to Jay Mariotti.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Kravitz Says.... No Playoffs

                                Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                                I see them all the time sitting at the press table.
                                Maybe we should have a sticky for them. Let them know what they should write about our team.

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