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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...adeTalk-090217

    Originally Published: February 17, 2009 What to expect as trade deadline nears

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    By Chad Ford
    ESPN.com
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    Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty ImagesThe Blazers could use a wingman like VC -- imagine the dunk contests during practice.
    As commissioner David Stern warned at All-Star Weekend, the NBA is bracing to have the salary cap (and luxury-tax threshold) go down this summer for the first time ever. The picture might be even gloomier in 2010.With season-ticket renewals expected to plunge because of the weakness of the economy, some league executives expect the cap to fall significantly, which could have serious ramifications for a number of teams. Some teams might find themselves paying the luxury tax, and some might not have the cap space needed to sign players in the already-celebrated summer of 2010.

    All of that seems to be having a cooling effect as we approach Thursday's trade deadline.
    "You've got a market loaded with motivated sellers and only a very small group of buyers," one NBA executive told ESPN.com. "It's really ugly. Owners are scared to death right now."

    "If no one is willing to take back contracts that extend beyond the summer of 2010, not much is happening this week," another executive said. "However, if you're a GM that has an owner willing to spend, you're going to hit the jackpot this week. There are a lot of deals to be had if you're willing to take back salary. The problem is, those owners seem to be few and far between."

    There has been a financial element to virtually every trade rumor out there this winter.
    The Suns' willingness to move Amare Stoudemire has been motivated, in part, by owner Robert Sarver's desire to get below the luxury-tax threshold in Phoenix. Finances have played an even bigger role in their shopping Shaquille O'Neal.

    The Hornets have just moved Tyson Chandler for similar reasons. The Wizards are flirting with moving Caron Butler and the Bucks are dangling Richard Jefferson, with each team looking for cap relief in return.

    And the Knicks have had to seriously consider trading a core building block like David Lee to create the possibility of making a run at an elite free agent in 2010. Given the shrinking economy, that task is becoming more urgent by the minute, as Chris Sheridan explained in his excellent look at the state of the Knicks and their attempts to open up cap space for LeBron James.

    So this year, more than ever before, the trick isn't just to identify who's on the trading block but also to figure out which teams are willing to trade cap space for talent.
    Here's a look at what we're hearing:


    The hottest name at the trade deadline? A guy who hasn't played a game this season: Raef LaFrentz of the Portland Trail Blazers.

    "If you asked owners in the league who they'd rather have right now, LaFrentz or Stoudemire, I think more than half of them would prefer LaFrentz," one executive told me. "That's how screwed up this thing has been. I guarantee you [Blazers GM] Kevin Pritchard has gotten better offers for LaFrentz than the Suns have gotten for Stoudemire."

    That might have been confirmed Monday when the Suns' interest in trading Stoudemire cooled dramatically. Some of that has to do with the hope that new coach Alvin Gentry will inject some life into the listless Suns. But much of it has to do with the fact that the Suns haven't gotten a great offer for Stoudemire.

    Meanwhile, sources confirm that the Blazers have been getting a steady flow of offers for LaFrentz, including two significant new ones Monday.

    The focus for the Blazers right now appears to be at the small forward position. It appears that three players -- Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler and Richard Jefferson -- are on Pritchard's radar screen. A fourth one, Mike Miller, is also a favorite of the Blazers, but the Wolves have been reluctant to include him in a deal.

    Sources say the Blazers have intensified their focus on Wallace. He's young, athletic and physical, and he doesn't need to score to be an impact player. He has four years and $38 million left on his contract, which is a lot, but given his age and production the past few years, it's not unreasonable. The problem for the Blazers is that the Bobcats want Portland to take back Nazr Mohammed as part of the deal. That could be a deal-breaker for Pritchard.

    Butler might be the best player of the group when he's healthy. He was an All-Star last year and is excellent in the mid-range game. He too has a reasonable contract, with just two years and $21 million left on his deal. But it's unclear what the Wizards would want in return and whether they'll ultimately opt to keep Butler and reevaluate the team when Gilbert Arenas returns. If the Wizards are to make such a deal, certainly they'll want the Blazers to take back Etan Thomas' contract, and they'll likely also demand one or two young players from the Blazers. That price might be too high for Portland.

    Jefferson is the most available. The Bucks need to clear his salary from their cap if they're going to re-sign their two restricted free agents this summer: Charlie Villanueva and Ramon Sessions. Sources say there have been conversations that have included both Jefferson and Milwaukee point guard Luke Ridnour, though the talk has quieted down. As a proven scorer and defender who's played in the NBA Finals, Jefferson has some appeal for the Blazers.

    One wild card for the Blazers is Vince Carter. His contract is the most expensive of the group, but Carter has been fantastic this season and would give the Blazers the biggest bang of anyone out there. It appears unlikely the Blazers will go that direction, but New Jersey would certainly listen if Portland wanted to do a deal.



    Speaking of Carter, well-placed league sources say there is a good chance Carter is moved before the trade deadline. San Antonio, Dallas and Cleveland have all been mentioned as possible destinations, but sources say that the emerging dark horse is Houston.

    A trade of Carter and Trenton Hassell for Tracy McGrady would achieve two goals for New Jersey: It would get the Nets another $15 million further under the cap in 2010, and it would allow them to remain competitive in the interim.

    It appears that the oft-injured McGrady has worn out his welcome in Houston, so it's hard to see why the Rockets wouldn't make that deal.



    It seems the Cavs would be, like the Blazers and Rockets, in a position to be buyers this week, because they have Wally Szczerbiak, a player with a coveted expiring contract.
    But Cavs GM Danny Ferry told Marc Stein on Sunday night that he'd "be surprised if they did anything at this point."

    Maybe the surprise should be if they don't do something.
    When Ferry made the deal for Szczerbiak, one of the big selling points was that the Cavs could use the contract as an asset this year.

    And if the Blazers are getting so much interest in LaFrentz, why wouldn't Cleveland be getting similar interest in Szczerbiak? Yes, LaFrentz's contract is easier to swallow thanks to an insurance provision that pays 80 percent of it. But if teams are selling assets, shouldn't the Cavs pounce to increase their chances of winning the title?

    It all makes you wonder if Cavs owner Dan Gilbert is among the owners feeling the financial heat. The Cavs are paying roughly $19 million in luxury taxes this year. But next year they will go under the luxury-tax threshold if they let Wally walk.



    The Knicks are an interesting case. They want to clear cap space and get better at the same time.
    On one hand, they need to find a home for either Eddy Curry or Jared Jeffries, whose contracts don't expire until 2011. That means that if the Knicks don't trade one or both of them, they probably won't be able to re-sign David Lee or sign two superstars in the summer of 2010.

    On the other hand, the Knicks would like to fill some holes in the short term. Their biggest hole is in the middle, where the combination of Curry and Jerome James has given them nothing.
    Can Knicks president Donnie Walsh find a way to fulfill both goals at the same time?

    On Monday, the Knicks and Kings discussed a possible trade of Malik Rose for Brad Miller, two league sources told ESPN.com. Miller was a Walsh favorite in Indiana and could help fill the hole in the middle for the Knicks. And Miller's contract is right for New York, as it comes off the books in 2010.

    Both teams would have to include more players to make the numbers work.

    The Kings would like Nate Robinson as part of the deal. The Knicks talked about including James as part of the deal, though they're even more interested in including Jeffries.

    If the Knicks and Kings can agree to a deal that swaps Miller and Kenny Thomas -- who also has a contract that expires in 2010 -- to the Knicks for Rose, Robinson and Jeffries, the Knicks will suddenly have a legit center and enough cap space to sign David Lee this summer and a max player like LeBron James in 2010.

    Would the Kings do the deal? Rose would give them some cap relief immediately. Robinson is a talented spark plug who could give them energy off the bench. But with Jeffries' contract running until 2011, it's not an easy sell.

    It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this as we get closer to Thursday.



    I'm wondering why no one is mentioning the Indiana Pacers as a possible trade partner. They have two expiring contracts: Rasho Nesterovic and Marquis Daniels, whose salaries together equal $15 million. As a bonus, both of those players are actually playing really well this season.

    Why wouldn't a playoff team looking to create some cap space make a run at those guys?
    It's no secret that the Pacers want to find both an athletic big man and a team willing to take point guard Jamaal Tinsley off their hands. Pacers execs Larry Bird and David Morway have done a great job of recreating this roster on the fly. The team has about $10 million or so in wiggle room next year before it hits the luxury-tax threshold, so the Pacers can take on some salary. I wouldn't be surprised to see them become players Thursday.



    The Minnesota Timberwolves are another team in an interesting position. Rashad McCants (who hits restricted free agency this summer) and Jason Collins have expiring contracts. And the team has another asset in Mike Miller.

    Yet so far the Wolves haven't packaged them together to add another major piece to their rebuilding effort. They won't have enough cap room next summer to be major players, so the question arises: Why not make a move now?

    They need help at both point guard and center. One rumored trade I've heard: McCants, Collins and Brian Cardinal for the Sixers' Samuel Dalembert, who would give Minnesota shot-blocking and athleticism in the frontcourt. But is he worth the two years and $25 million left on his contract?



    The Pistons also could become players. Rasheed Wallace and Allen Iverson have big expiring contracts. If Detroit lets them expire, it goes into the summer with $20 million or more in cap space, putting the Pistons in position to make a significant offseason splash.
    But if a team can offer the Pistons something now that's better than what's available this summer, they'll have to take a long, hard look.



    Another team that could be a buyer is the Mavericks. They have Jason Kidd's expiring contract and Jerry Stackhouse's semi-expiring deal to offer.

    While the Mavs have shown no interest in acquiring Shaquille O'Neal, I'm surprised owner Mark Cuban hasn't shown more a more proactive approach to shaping the long-term direction of the franchise.

    In the short term, losing Kidd would hurt, a lot. But does Dallas think it has a realistic chance of winning it all this year? If not, shouldn't the Mavs start rebuilding?



    The Heat are prowling for a point guard. The two names I've heard the most are Raymond Felton and Kyle Lowry. The Heat are offering Daequan Cook, according to a source.
    Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
    Last edited by Will Galen; 02-17-2009, 05:00 PM.

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    Re: Latest Trade Rumors

    Also some insider rumors.
    ESPN.com
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/featu...tures%2frumors

    Tuesday, February 17
    Bosh Rumor Gains Steam

    Chris Bosh | Raptors
    The Amare Stoudemire trade talk still has the Bulls among the teams most involved, but a new scenario making the rounds has the Bulls taking part in a three-team deal that would bring Toronto Raptors star Chris Bosh to Chicago. The rumored swap would send Stoudemire to Toronto and land the Phoenix Suns a package of players and draft picks from the Bulls, likely to include Drew Gooden and his expiring $7.2 million contract, Tyrus Thomas and a first-round pick. -- Chicago Sun-Times



    Nothing Imminent

    Team president Ed Stefanski said the Sixers are still talking and listening about potential deals prior to Thursday's trade deadline. In an e-mail response late Monday afternoon, Stefanski said, "Nothing has changed. We continue to talk to teams throughout the league, but nothing is imminent." -- Bucks County Courier Times



    McGrady Eyes More Opinions

    Tracy McGrady | Rockets
    Tracy McGrady will spend some of this week visiting out-of-town doctors to get more opinions on his left knee. He did not practice with the team Monday evening, will not play tonight against New Jersey and is listed by the Rockets as day-to-day. "I didn't expect to see him," said head coach Rick Adelman. "He's gonna get second opinions, and we just have to deal with who we have right now and get ready for this game [tonight]." -- Houston Chronicle



    VC Swirls In Trade Winds

    Vince Carter | Nets
    The Nets and Rockets have exchanged trade proposals and continue to talk, according to league sources and sources close to the Nets. One scenario has Vince Carter and Josh Boone going to Houston for Ron Artest, Carl Landry and Luther Head.
    But another Texas team remains very much alive in the Carter sweepstakes. The San Antonio Spurs' package for Carter would include Roger Mason Jr., George Hill and Bruce Bowen, the sources said. The Nets would have to make other moves to clear roster room for the additional players they take back.
    Nothing is imminent at this point, but the trade deadline is Thursday. Things are expected to heat up before then. -- The Record
    Tim Duncan says he would love to have Carter as a teammate, and why not? At age 32, Carter remains one of the NBA's most productive small forwards, averaging 20.8 points, 5.1 rebounds and 4.9 assists.
    Duncan hedges when the price for Carter reportedly includes Roger Mason Jr., Bruce Bowen, George Hill and Fabricio Oberto.
    "I'd hate to see that many guys go," Duncan said.
    If GM R.C. Buford can find a way to get Carter from the Nets without including so many rotation players -- a Robert Horry sign-and-trade could be part of such a solution -- it is easy to imagine Duncan giving such a deal the blessing Gregg Popovich likely would seek. -- San Antonio Express-News
    "Doesn't bother me," Carter said of the incessant trade talks before the Nets practiced at the Toyota Center Monday. "I don't really get caught up in that. I hadn't heard anything -- through hearsay or through other people. No big deal."
    "Like I said, if it happens, it happens. I do my job regardless. I'm at a point in my career it's more about being professional. And I'm not avoiding the question. With the years behind [me], I've learned to just accept the reality of it and make the best of it."
    Just the same, does he understand why the Nets would make such a move? "I don't," Carter said with a laugh. "I won't [play GM]. It could be for so many reasons I couldn't name today. [But] I can hold my head up high and feel good about it. And if it happens, move on and do what I need to do." -- The Star-Ledger



    Small Deal With Minnesota?

    There remains the potential for the Kings to do a smaller deal, and sources said one such scenario exists with Minnesota. Third-year guard Quincy Douby ($1.4 million expiring contract) and veteran forward Mikki Moore ($5.8 million this season and only $2 million of $6.2 million next season guaranteed if waived by June 20) could go to the Timberwolves for guard Rashad McCants (expiring deal for $2.6 million). -- Sacramento Bee


    Will Sixers Trade Miller?

    Andre Miller | 76ers
    The league's trade deadline is Thursday afternoon. If the Sixers believed they wouldn't be able to sign the free agent for next season, general manager Ed Stefanski might be forced to get what he can for Andre Miller now rather than watch him walk away at season's end without receiving anything in return.
    "That's not how we're looking at this. Not at all," Stefanski said yesterday. "I can't speak for Andre, but I think he likes it with us, and we like him. Getting the contract done is a process and the trading deadline this week is one step in the process." "The only way we would trade Andre Miller is if we get a deal that makes basketball sense for us," Stefanski said. "We're not going to trade Andre Miller just to do a financial deal. We like him for all the things he does for us on the court, and we would like to keep him if at all possible." -- The Philadelphia Inquirer



    Will DiLeo Remain The Coach?

    Tony DiLeo | 76ers
    Tony DiLeo, who remains the senior vice president of basketball operations and assistant general manager, has reveled in the job. Even though both Ed Stefanski and DiLeo have said they will discuss the future after the conclusion of the season, it has become obvious that DiLeo very much wants to remain the coach. "When I first mentioned the possibility of coaching to him, I suggested that he take a day to think about it, but he said, 'No, I want to do it,'" Stefanski recalled. "Even the next day, I suggested he take another day and he again said he wanted to do it. One thing I know: Tony knows basketball, knows personnel. And these players knew him, because he was the one scouting them, drafting them, acquiring them. If he had been brand-new or coming from the outside, I would never have done that." -- Philadelphia Daily News



    Clips Don't Want To Trade Camby

    I've been repeatedly told the Clippers do not want to trade Marcus Camby. And really, why should they. Camby has a relatively inexpensive contract, has been a great team leader and is playing like an All Star.
    Now, does that mean the team would never trade one of the aforementioned players [Eric Gordon, Al Thornton, Zach Randolph and Camby]? No. It means they don't want to trade them and it would take a lot to change their minds. I was told, however, that if the Clippers were trying to dump Chris Kaman's salary, they could've done it in two seconds. In other words, that's not the objective. -- Los Angeles Daily News



    Miller On Knicks' Radar

    Brad Miller | Kings
    The interest in Brad Miller remains lukewarm leaguewide, but sources said he remains on New York's radar.
    The Knicks have indicated that they are interested in Miller or swingman John Salmons, with the potential players coming to Sacramento including Malik Rose ($7.6 million expiring contract), Nate Robinson ($2 million expiring contract) and Jerome James ($6.2 million this season, player option for $6.6 million next). New York also is believed to have told the Kings it has no intention of trading exiled guard Stephon Marbury and his $20.8 million expiring contract. --Sacramento Bee



    Big Trade Unlikely

    New Jersey's Vince Carter, Phoenix's Shaquille O'Neal and Minnesota's Mike Miller may sound delicious, but any chance of the Mavericks dealing for them is remote.
    More likely, according to a pair of NBA sources, is that the Mavericks would pull off a smaller deal for a player who would be solidly in their playing rotation. The teams that seem to be on everybody's speed dial are Oklahoma City and Portland. -- The Dallas Morning News



    Ankle Still Sore

    Tyson Chandler | Hornets
    After missing 12 consecutive games before the All-Star break with a sprained left ankle, Hornets starting center Tyson Chandler experienced a setback Monday.
    Chandler completed only half of Monday's practice before experiencing soreness in his left ankle.
    Near the end of the Hornets' two-hour practice, Chandler appeared disappointed as he sat in a chair with socks on but no shoes. "I'm trying to do everything in my will to stay on the court," Chandler said. "I made it through 75 percent of the practice, and then it got kind of sore on me. It's just not where I want to be or where the trainers wanted me to be." -- The Times-Picayune



    Grunfeld Doesn't Regret Signing Arenas

    Gilbert Arenas | Wizards
    GM Ernie Grunfeld said that he does not regret awarding Gilbert Arenas such a huge contract last summer even though the three-time All-Star had been limited to 13 games last season after undergoing a second knee surgery. At the time of the signing, Grunfeld thought Arenas would be ready to play the majority of this season. Arenas originally expected to return by December, but has continued to experience discomfort in the knee and has been limited to games of one-on-one and other noncontact work. No official timetable has been established for Arenas's return, but, according to a team source, the Wizards expect to have Arenas and Haywood back before the end of the season. Grunfeld said he would "absolutely" sign Arenas again knowing what he knows now. "Gilbert is a top-notch player and we expect him to be back and we expect him to play at an All-Star level. I wish I had a time frame to give you, but you never really know with those things." -- The Washington Post



    Ridnour Preparing To Return

    Luke Ridnour | Bucks
    Less than two weeks ago, on Feb. 5, Luke Ridnour suffered a fractured right thumb that was expected to keep him out of the lineup for at least four weeks.
    Now it's possible the 6-foot-2 guard could return to Milwaukee's lineup later this week. "I think I'm way ahead of schedule," Ridnour said after finishing his shooting drills. "I'm just staying positive, trying to get ready and stay in shape. Hopefully, everything goes well these next couple days." -- Journal Sentinel



    Waiting For A Call

    Kevin Durant | Thunder
    Kevin Durant said he did not meet with USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo during All-Star Weekend in Phoenix to talk about a possible roster spot on the 2012 team.
    "They honored the guys that won the Olympics so I guess their focus was all on that," Durant said. "But whenever he calls my name I'm going to be more than ready to participate. So I'm just waiting on that call. "I heard all the guys that played before want to come back. Obviously there wasn't any room for me on that team, so I'll just wait my turn." -- The Oklahoman



    Not Seeking Fame

    Jerry Sloan | Jazz
    Jerry Sloan didn't throw a party for himself at his Illinois farm this past weekend when it was announced that he is a Class of 2009 finalist for the Basketball Hall of Fame.
    "That hasn't been my ambition in coaching," he said Monday. "It hasn't been my ambition in playing."
    The Jazz coach did, however, admit that it would be somewhat special. "Obviously, it would be an honor," he said. "But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it." -- Deseret News

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    • #3
      Re: Latest Trade Rumors

      at this point, I'm in favor of letting our expirings expire and take advantage on the horde of teams that will be looking to slash costs next summer when the salary cap falls and we're the only team in town that can take on massive contracts without giving any back.

      Washington is going to be so screwed luxury tax-wise next summer...and they will have a top-5 pick to dangle as bait.

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      • #4
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        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
        at this point, I'm in favor of letting our expirings expire and take advantage on the horde of teams that will be looking to slash costs next summer when the salary cap falls and we're the only team in town that can take on massive contracts without giving any back.

        Washington is going to be so screwed luxury tax-wise next summer...and they will have a top-5 pick to dangle as bait.
        Getting that top-5 pick would be nice if we can land a guy like Harden or possibly Griffen.

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        • #5
          Re: Latest Trade Rumors

          Would somebody tell Sloan that its ok to accept a compliment? geez, what an ungrateful sour puss.

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by nerveghost View Post
            Would somebody tell Sloan that its ok to accept a compliment? geez, what an ungrateful sour puss.
            That couldn't be further from what I got out of his quote.
            "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

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            • #7
              Re: Latest Trade Rumors

              This gives credence to Gnome's cutting costs theory. Maybe no one is talking about trading with us because TPTB has established they don't want to trade our expirings and take on more future salary. Not what I really want to hear, but it would not surprise me.

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              • #8
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                http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/ba...ry/907317.html

                "There has been speculation that Miami has some interest in banished Indiana Pacers guard Jamaal Tinsley, but only if he is bought out of the two seasons remaining on his contract. Tinsley has filed a grievance against the Pacers and is awaiting a hearing."
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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by DanGrangerPwrRanger View Post
                  Getting that top-5 pick would be nice if we can land a guy like Harden or possibly Griffen.
                  What is it going to take for some of you to realize that kstat is a Piston fan and that when he says "we" he in no way, shape, or form is referring to the Pacers? Is Iverson being in his avatar not a big enough clue for some of you?


                  A couple thoughts, why does Toronto think that Amare and Marion could work there when they didn't like each other in Phoenix? Seems irrational to me, especially without Nash to keep them both semi-happy.

                  Also, why are the Clippers so insistent on not trading Camby? He is a win-now player, and they are pretty clearly not a win-now team. Trade him now while his value is still very high and clear the cap space. It's times like these where Clipper fans have to be close to jumping off the top of a tall building.


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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by Indy View Post
                    It's times like these where Clipper fans have to be close to jumping off the top of a tall building.
                    There are none left. They already jumped.



                    All the lemmings are dead.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Latest Trade Rumors

                      Originally posted by DanGrangerPwrRanger View Post
                      Getting that top-5 pick would be nice if we can land a guy like Harden or possibly Griffen.
                      I would easily do a Rasho for Haywood or Etan Thomas + protected Top 5 future 1st round pick IF they were healthy....but since they are not....I look at the Wizards roster and I see nothing that would really help us...nor make sense.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Latest Trade Rumors

                        Originally posted by blanket View Post
                        http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/ba...ry/907317.html

                        "There has been speculation that Miami has some interest in banished Indiana Pacers guard Jamaal Tinsley, but only if he is bought out of the two seasons remaining on his contract. Tinsley has filed a grievance against the Pacers and is awaiting a hearing."
                        Unfortunately, that's not really surprising. Riley wants somewhat decent players at a low cost....not a high price.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Latest Trade Rumors

                          Originally posted by Indy View Post
                          What is it going to take for some of you to realize that kstat is a Piston fan and that when he says "we" he in no way, shape, or form is referring to the Pacers? Is Iverson being in his avatar not a big enough clue for some of you?
                          Though I have also seen people refer to kstat as if he were a Pacer fan, the post you quoted doesn't fit that. Kstat simply said the Wizards are going to be screwed with the luxury tax, but they have a top 5 pick to deal with. No direct comment about the Pistons there.

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by Merz View Post
                            Though I have also seen people refer to kstat as if he were a Pacer fan, the post you quoted doesn't fit that. Kstat simply said the Wizards are going to be screwed with the luxury tax, but they have a top 5 pick to deal with. No direct comment about the Pistons there.
                            GrangerPwrRanger does take it as "yeah, we (Pacers) could use that top 5 pick". That's Indy's point. He looked at it as Kstat discussing a Pacers strategy when in fact he was talking about a Pistons strategy.

                            The Pacers aren't in a position to just let Quis/Rasho walk and then take on salary to their heart's content next year, ala a deal with WSH for example

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                            • #15
                              Re: Latest Trade Rumors

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              GrangerPwrRanger does take it as "yeah, we (Pacers) could use that top 5 pick". That's Indy's point. He looked at it as Kstat discussing a Pacers strategy when in fact he was talking about a Pistons strategy.

                              The Pacers aren't in a position to just let Quis/Rasho walk and then take on salary to their heart's content next year, ala a deal with WSH for example
                              re-reading it I can see that he probably was still talking about the Pistons and not just the fact that the Wizards have a potential pick to dangle to anyone who could find a way to get it.

                              I'll just give GrangerPwrRanger the benefit of the doubt that he didn't read it that way....but anyway....

                              I too don't see the Pacers adding much to their salary even after Quis/Rasho expire. I hope they can do something but I'm not keeping my hopes up too high.

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