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    Watched Ep1, and it was.... solid. Not great, not terrible. I'd kind of hoped for more, seeing as it's Joss. But it was good enough to make me watch Ep2, although I'm not sure it was good enough to make me pine away while waiting for it.

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    Crap, this started already? Guess I'll need to see if it's online.
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    Eliza Dushku was on Howard the other day. She make me feel good.

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    I thought it was average, but considering I expected it to be bad, I was okay with that for the time being. I'll continue to watch for a while. I hope it get better, though.

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    It started better than Fringe, and I liked it. You can see some backstories, but Whedon himself has said that it needs to be more episodic, so I am hopeful that it will get enough traction to turn him loose on some story lines.

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    Crap, this started already? Guess I'll need to see if it's online.
    http://www.hulu.com/watch/57885/dollhouse-ghost
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    So I watched it. It has potential, but it didn't knock my socks off. Average to slightly better for a suspense drama. Formulaic, though. And what's-her-name is no Summer Glau. I give it a season...or two. I do hope Whedon makes something interesting out of it, and gets a better run than that, though.

    We'll see. I'll be watching the next episode.
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    It was more "meh" for me.

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    So I watched it. It has potential, but it didn't knock my socks off. Average to slightly better for a suspense drama. Formulaic, though. And what's-her-name is no Summer Glau. I give it a season...or two. I do hope Whedon makes something interesting out of it, and gets a better run than that, though.

    We'll see. I'll be watching the next episode.
    Yeah, I'd really talked it up in my head. Too bad.
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    Not thrilled with this at all.

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    ne of my best friends is an editor on this show - he only did one of the later episodes. He says the show takes some interesting turns, but, as usual, he declined to give specifics.
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    I think the best thing about Joss's shows are the side characters. Angel and Buffy were arguably the least interesting characters in their shows, but their stories helped flesh out some of my favorite characters ever on tv, Spike, Faith, Willow, Fred/Illyria. Firefly probably had the strongest lead with Mal, but I think that even then Jayne and River outshone him. This show has potential to have that happen too, but a pilot has to focus on the main character and we'll get those great supporting characters soon.

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    I think the best thing about Joss's shows are the side characters. Angel and Buffy were arguably the least interesting characters in their shows, but their stories helped flesh out some of my favorite characters ever on tv, Spike, Faith, Willow, Fred/Illyria. Firefly probably had the strongest lead with Mal, but I think that even then Jayne and River outshone him. This show has potential to have that happen too, but a pilot has to focus on the main character and we'll get those great supporting characters soon.
    That's exactly what I was thinking. Just looking at the ex-cop, the FBI guy, the Amy Acker character, the apparent renegade/serial killer/informant and the potential back stories, if he's allowed to get there, is where this show can shine.

    One of the problems I have with a lot of the shows that I consider good is how weak their characters seem to be. How the side characters tend to be one-note, or unlikable. BSG is about to finish an entire run where I don't think I liked a single character. (Not saying that the show isn't, well, interesting...it's just that I might actually be pulling for all of them to die.) I've got struggle staying with Fringe (the only characters I like or care about are the Bishops), Sarah Connor Chronicles (though I'm really kind of intrigued with "John Henry"), and Life on Mars (the '70's characters mostly seem really caricaturish, and there is no worse actor than Imperioli). The only show I can think of that's done a good job of creating a number of characters I care about is "Life."

    Regarding Firefly, the character that was going to be really intriguing was Shepherd Book, but you could see a lot of development, particularly in that last episode "Objects in Space." Whedon's going to have to keep the episodic nature going for a while just to survive, but I'm hopeful that the second half of the 1st season will get some traction.

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    Yeah I think Book would have been even better if they had gotten to keep going and not made a movie.

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    Yeah I think Book would have been even better if they had gotten to keep going and not made a movie.

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    I had heard at the time Serenity came out that there was a three movie deal, but I haven't heard anything since then. It was supposedly pending Joss' involvement in "Wonder Woman." The movie got good reviews, and I think it did OK at the box, for what it was.

    However, now he's got Dollhouse, "A Cabin in the Woods", and was attached to a project called "Goners", which is basically parked on the drawing board.

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    I had heard at the time Serenity came out that there was a three movie deal, but I haven't heard anything since then. It was supposedly pending Joss' involvement in "Wonder Woman." The movie got good reviews, and I think it did OK at the box, for what it was.
    Actually it lost money at the box office but made enough in DVD sales to at least approach breaking even. The studio argued for more of a name actor to play The Operative but Whedon fought them on it and won - I think that may have been a mistake. You had all the characters back from the show - but none of them are big names.

    It was a good show, critics loved it, got a lot of awards - but having a name actor as the bad guy might have helped a lot at the box office.
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    Yeah I think Book would have been even better if they had gotten to keep going and not made a movie.

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    Supposedly if there'd been another movie a lot of it would have involved Book's back story. His and Inara's (sp) both would have been interesting.

    Of course then you have to wonder how many people would care about the backstory considering how poor the TV ratings (and movie box office performance) was.
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    If it had been a name actor that fit the role then fine. But if it was Sam Jackson or somebody then no. The only guy I could think of that probably would have been a good fit is Don Cheadle, and I'm assuming the operative was supposed to be black so if that didn't come around until after they cast the guy then sorry for the mistake. But of course he wasn't and still isn't a huge name.

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    If it had been a name actor that fit the role then fine. But if it was Sam Jackson or somebody then no. The only guy I could think of that probably would have been a good fit is Don Cheadle, and I'm assuming the operative was supposed to be black so if that didn't come around until after they cast the guy then sorry for the mistake. But of course he wasn't and still isn't a huge name.
    The black guy I seem to remember hearing about was Snipes. Don't hold me to that though - I may be munging it with a different movie.
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    snipes wouldn't have worked for me either, but that's jmo.

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    If it had been a name actor that fit the role then fine. But if it was Sam Jackson or somebody then no. The only guy I could think of that probably would have been a good fit is Don Cheadle, and I'm assuming the operative was supposed to be black so if that didn't come around until after they cast the guy then sorry for the mistake. But of course he wasn't and still isn't a huge name.
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    The black guy I seem to remember hearing about was Snipes. Don't hold me to that though - I may be munging it with a different movie.
    Yeah, Snipes would've been ugly. I'm struggling to see a big name that would've done as good of a job as Chiwetel Ejiofor did with the role.

    I'm not sure the role necessarily needed to be black, but I think the character needed to be as polished as it was. Cheadle could've maybe done it.

    Honestly, it was a more sane version of the Jubal Early character played by Richard Brooks in "Objects in Space."

    I think you needed someone who was going to sell the true believer aspect without being a raving zealot.

    Problem is, once I see a character done, I have trouble imagining it differently. I can't think of a big name that might've worked.

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    Side note: I tried looking to see if I could find who they wanted to cast, and it turns out that Ejiofor was the first actor who did not appear in the series to be signed.

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    I too thought the first episode solid but unspectacular. I'll keep watching. I have little confidence in the acting range of Eliza Dushku, so that's a worry for me right there.
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    I could have sworn I'd heard something about Sean Connery being considered for the role of the Operative, but don't hold me to that. That would be wacky, but possibly cool.

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    I could have sworn I'd heard something about Sean Connery being considered for the role of the Operative, but don't hold me to that. That would be wacky, but possibly cool.
    Actually now that you mention it a light bulb just went off - I believe you're right. Not sure where I got Snipes from.
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