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    Default For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    I realize that some of you agree with this and others of you would rather watch the Shamwow infomercial than listen to Bob. However here is what he has to say.



    http://www.indystar.com/article/2009.../1088/SPORTS04

    Bob Kravitz

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    It is with profound sadness and grudging admiration that I must report that the Indiana Pacers seem to be making a playoff push.

    Sigh.


    With Wednesday night's 107-99 victory over the Michael Redd-less Milwaukee Bucks, the Danny Granger-less Pacers have now won six straight at home and five of their past eight games overall. They also are looking at playing five of their final eight games before the All-Star break at home, and all of those games -- at home and on the road -- look eminently winnable.

    The question that I ask -- and I ask this in the role of resident curmudgeon -- is: Is the playoff push really a good thing for this franchise?

    Seriously, in the big picture, looking at the long term, what do the Pacers accomplish if they sneak into that eighth spot and then get whacked by Orlando/Cleveland/Boston in the first round of the playoffs?

    It's easy to understand where the Pacers' brain trust is coming from on this, why they want to make the playoffs.

    Ownership desperately wants/needs a round of playoffs because it's a nice payday. And they can use any payday they can get. The Pacers have been hemorrhaging money for three years now; witness the latest news on the team's lease situation at Conseco Fieldhouse.

    Pacers president Larry Bird and coach Jim O'Brien are built to win, to win today and tomorrow, not three years from now when it's likely neither will still be here. O'Brien is playing Stephen Graham instead of Brandon Rush because today Graham gives him a better chance to win. He is playing Rasho Nesterovic instead of Roy Hibbert because today Nesterovic gives him a better chance to win.

    For these players, the playoffs would be a sweet payoff. This is a good group, hard-working, likable, community-minded, and they've done a lot to help restore the Pacers' good name.

    Granger should be named to the All-Star team later today. T.J. Ford, who was special Wednesday night, has put together some of his best basketball in recent games. Troy Murphy, who has had a renaissance season and is a sure-fire double-double guy every night, deserves to see the first postseason action of his career.

    So what they're starting to do here in recent weeks, and what they need to continue during this pre-All-Star stretch, is absolutely laudable and admirable.

    And yet . . .

    There's a downside.

    Doesn't this team need another shot in the NBA lottery, even if there doesn't currently appear to be a host of stars-in-the-waiting outside of Oklahoma's Blake Griffin?

    These are not the young Atlanta Hawks, dipping their feet into the playoff pool for the first time last year, then emerging this next year as a formidable contender in the Eastern Conference.

    The Pacers, or at least the Pacers who play, are relatively experienced and have a limited upside. Look at Wednesday's starters: Mike Dunleavy, Murphy, Jeff Foster, Jarrett Jack and Ford. How much better can they ever be?

    The good thing about being in the East is you always feel like you've got a chance to make the playoffs.

    The bad thing about being in the East is you always feel like you've got a chance to make the playoffs.

    Following?

    The East is an illusion, fool's gold, one that gives bad teams the goofy idea that if they can only claw their way into an eighth spot, they can make postseason magic like last year's Hawks.

    Put it this way: If the Pacers were in the West, they'd be completely out of the playoff picture and probably would be playing Hibbert and Rush significant minutes. Instead, Hibbert gets a few minutes at the end of the first half Wednesday and Rush never gets off the bench.

    We keep hearing how Rush has lost his confidence and how he's regressed; well, how do you fix that? By burying him at the end of the bench every game? If the Pacers are going to continue playing more established players in an effort to make the playoffs, why not send Rush to the NBDL team in Fort Wayne and let him restore his confidence there?

    By Feb. 11, we'll know and the Pacers will know if they're a playoff team, however humble that designation may be in the East. That's when this friendly stretch of schedule ends and the teams head for the All-Star break. The second "half" of the season is better -- the Pacers play 21 of their last 36 games at home -- but it really comes down to these next 21/2 weeks.

    "Is this a make-or-break portion of the schedule?'' O'Brien was asked.

    "Absolutely,'' he said. ". . . Every game is vitally important, but we'll find out if we have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs by the All-Star break.''

    There are two playoff spots up for grabs. Milwaukee sits at No. 7, although they've lost Redd for the rest of the season. Philadelphia is No. 8. Then there's New York, New Jersey, Charlotte, Toronto, Chicago and Indiana, all sub-.500, all within 21/2 games of the eighth spot.

    The Pacers are making their push.

    Is that a good thing?

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    this year, i could care less. if we make it, we'll lose in round 1. if we don't, we'll need to get awfully lucky to find one of the few decent players in this draft. last year, otoh, i think most of you knew my opinion. last 2 years actually and thus my reputation. but as i've stated, my opinion is dependent on the quality and depth of not only the draft coming up, but also how good of a team and how much potential the pacers have. i highly doubt it'll make much of a difference if we got the 7th pick or 14th pick.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    Yes, go for the playoffs. Absolutely.

    They must have the mental toughness that makes champions instilled in them NOW,
    and that means trying to fight as hard as they can to try to win every single game
    from now, until they run into someone who has the balls to stop them.

    No F'ing around.

    While yes, this may still be a rebuilding period, the Pacers do have a good group that
    I beleive is playoff worthy now. And even if the odds are they won't get out of the
    first round, I don't want to see them go down without a putting up a major dog-fight.

    C'mon guys...lets see what kind of heart you really have.
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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    I would say it is a good thing. The city would have something to cheer about and the experience for the young guys will be great, even if we,were to get swept. It is awful hard to know what to expect in the playoffs if you're just a spectator.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    lets try our best to get to the playoffs. this year's draft is weak and even if we tank, which is the last thing i want us to do btw, it is almost impossible for us to get a guy that can change the look of this team right away.

    lets get to the playoffs and do our best against whoever comes. as long as we fight to the end i don't care if we go 0-4.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    I agree with Kravitz on this one. You guys wanna make the playoffs to give playoffs experience to who? Foster?(32) Dunleavy?(28)Murphy?(29)Rasho?(32 and won't be back next year)Marquis?(28 he won't be back). I understand they need play to win, trust me one part of me want's them to make it, but the other part want this team to be in a good position in the draft.

    The pacers need to rebuild now and the only way to do that is trading your old players for young players or trough the draft, I also agree with Kravitz that maybe the reason why Larry and JOB are in "win mode" right now is because they are afraid of losing their jobs next year and that is not good because they are risking the future for the present, like I said before I want the Pacers to be contender in 2 or 3 years not playoffs pretenders for the next 10 years.

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    You guys wanna make the playoffs to give playoffs experience to who? Foster?(32) Dunleavy?(28)Murphy?(29)Rasho?(32 and won't be back next year)Marquis?(28 he won't be back).
    Hmm I thought the Pacers had another pretty good player on their team this year...what was his name??

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    This is an age old question for any team that is still years away from breaking thru. When a team finally starts "getting it" the PO experience is invaluable. For those still building, they need to avoid the POs like the plague.
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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    I guess when you're 28 or 29 you're in the twilight of your career....

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    I will ignore the thought that we shouldn't shut it down because of the weak draft. What irks me is this. Just because a player is in his last 20s and early 30s does not mean they do not have upside. The upside to this team is that they can begin to play better together. What happens if Jack develops a steady mid range shot off the dribble? What happens if Ford continues to contribute? Dun gets his legs under him? What happens when Rasho gets the rest he needs because Baston is able to contribute?

    Upside and potential is thrown around too much in the NBA. It is a relative term used in absolute means.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

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    I guess when you're 28 or 29 you're in the twilight of your career....

    I dread getting that old, I might just retire by then.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    As stated in other threads if this group is good enough to make the playoffs then they need to make the playoffs. The idea it's ok to lose now because it will eventually make things better will corrupt this team just the same as having a bunch of knuckeheads with talent.
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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    Does any team, East or West, NBA/NFL/MLB/whatever, really deserve a playoff slot being under .500?

    It would almost be an embarrassment when my Laker-fan cousins point out the Pacers record come playoff time.

    It won't excite me, and I won't drop big bucks for playoff tickets to watch a team with a losing record...come to think of it, I would bet anything (especially in this economy) most of the fans won't either.

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    I agree with Kravitz on this one. You guys wanna make the playoffs to give playoffs experience to who? Foster?(32) Dunleavy?(28)Murphy?(29)Rasho?(32 and won't be back next year)Marquis?(28 he won't be back). I understand they need play to win, trust me one part of me want's them to make it, but the other part want this team to be in a good position in the draft.

    The pacers need to rebuild now and the only way to do that is trading your old players for young players or trough the draft, I also agree with Kravitz that maybe the reason why Larry and JOB are in "win mode" right now is because they are afraid of losing their jobs next year and that is not good because they are risking the future for the present, like I said before I want the Pacers to be contender in 2 or 3 years not playoffs pretenders for the next 10 years.
    IMHO...you're exactly right.

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    Does any team, East or West, NBA/NFL/MLB/whatever, really deserve a playoff slot being under .500?

    It would almost be an embarrassment when my Laker-fan cousins point out the Pacers record come playoff time.

    It won't excite me, and I won't drop big bucks for playoff tickets to watch a team with a losing record...come to think of it, I would bet anything (especially in this economy) most of the fans won't either.
    I agree that if the Pacers get to the playoffs and are under .500 that the turnout will not be as high if the team was 6 seeded or higher and playing really well.

    But if we make the playoffs we will have to have a record Post-Allstar in the top ten. That surge would generate more excitement despite a below .500 record. What else does Indy have to do in April?

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    To make the playoffs, the Pacers would need to be one of the best teams in the league the final 10 weeks of the season.

    If they finish on a strong enough run to make the playoffs, play together as a team & with convidence then how do you guys figure they'll be 4 and out?

    If they were to back thier way in I could understand looking for lottery position but if the guys are busting their butts & getting the W's then, to me, they're playing like a playoff team.

    Like I said, if they're playing well enough to make the playoffs then they'd have to be playing some of the best ball in the league. Why not see what we can do against Boston, Orlando or Cleveland?

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    Wow, Bob is discussing a topic that has never been discussed before.

    I wonder if the Hawks regret making the playoffs after taking the Celtics to 7 games. And the hawks only won 37 games last season and the Celtics won 66 games.

    To be honest though right now at the midway point in nthe season I don't care about the playoffs - I just want to see this team play good basketball, I want to see how good this team can be.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    Kravitz is just stupid.

    There's no guarantee that Rush or Hibbert will ever be a starter at the NBA level. I, as a fan want to see the best team on the floor every night I watch them. If they play the 2 rookies and the result is a loss because neither played very well why should I watch. What will a #8 pick actually bring to the team next year. Nothing! It will not magically propel us to the 5th seed. As Slick told me one time you win with Veterans.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    I do not care what Kravitz has to say. He has stated on his show with Eddie that he does not follow the Pacers. He should not be able to write about them.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    Everyone knows how I feel, so I am not going to go into detail on the matter.

    All I need to say is that we are here to win games. I want us to play hard, and stay in it until the buzzer.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

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    Kravitz is just stupid.

    There's no guarantee that Rush or Hibbert will ever be a starter at the NBA level. I, as a fan want to see the best team on the floor every night I watch them. If they play the 2 rookies and the result is a loss because neither played very well why should I watch. What will a #8 pick actually bring to the team next year. Nothing! It will not magically propel us to the 5th seed. As Slick told me one time you win with Veterans.
    I agree....Little Bobby just likes to stir the pot to take the focus off his bad writing.

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    I agree....Little Bobby just likes to stir the pot to take the focus off his bad writing.
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    To make the playoffs, the Pacers would need to be one of the best teams in the league the final 10 weeks of the season.

    If they finish on a strong enough run to make the playoffs, play together as a team & with convidence then how do you guys figure they'll be 4 and out?

    If they were to back thier way in I could understand looking for lottery position but if the guys are busting their butts & getting the W's then, to me, they're playing like a playoff team.

    Like I said, if they're playing well enough to make the playoffs then they'd have to be playing some of the best ball in the league. Why not see what we can do against Boston, Orlando or Cleveland?
    Excellent points.

    I'll just add this too... If the Pacers make the playoffs, there will be more opportunity to showcase players for the offseason trade talks. A team might be more interested in Murphy or Dunleavy after they've seen them play in the postseason.

    That's just another way of looking at it.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    Restore the Pride. That is what this team needs to do. Playoffs is a must.

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    Default Re: For those of you questioning if the playoff push is a good thing Kravits has this to say

    You want to create a winning environment- a place where losing is upsetting and bothers the players- a team that goes out every night expecting to be able to win.

    With Ford getting healthy and Dunleavy back, it is time to see if this team is good enough to make the play-offs. You have to play those players who give you the best chance to win and give this group its chance finally to play together on the court. Experience in the play-offs is invaluable- even if you are a #8 seed and you lose quickly.

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