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    I lost count of how many times TJ drove into traffic and then had nothing to do. Couldn't pass, couldn't shoot, couldn't finish the play. That ain't gonna get better with healing.
    How many times did he finish, how many times did he bail the Pacers out when they had nothing going.

    I love the criticism of TJ after he played an excellent game and willed the Pacers to a victory
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    I wanna see TJ doing that Vs good teams he would get kill

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    Good win, of course any win is good.

    TJ Ford, you want to hug him one minute, smack him up side the head the next and say what the hell where you thinking.
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    I lost count of how many times TJ drove into traffic and then had nothing to do. Couldn't pass, couldn't shoot, couldn't finish the play. That ain't gonna get better with healing.
    Didn't we used to have a point guard that generated statements like that? Oh yes, he gets paid to stay away.


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    To his defense, he didn't have much choice today. No one else was willing to shoot the ball, and he was getting open.
    I understand it works out occasionally.

    The pattern though, is that the only time he appears to help is team is when he's dominating the ball.

    (And tonight he only mustered a +1. Now you all know I'm the first to question any the significance of any individual players' +/- but to hear everyone - including Pacers.com - gush over his performance you'd think he did far more than a measly +1).

    If we want a PG that dominates the ball, I can think of a guy that it technically on the roster with much better size - now he may not finish consistently at the rim but he "can" be a great distributor.

    I'm just saying...
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    I understand it works out occasionally.

    The pattern though, is that the only time he appears to help is team is when he's dominating the ball.

    (And tonight he only mustered a +1. Now you all know I'm the first to question any the significance of any individual players' +/- but to hear everyone - including Pacers.com - gush over his performance you'd think he did far more than a measly +1).

    If we want a PG that dominates the ball, I can think of a guy that it technically on the roster with much better size - now he may not finish consistently at the rim but he "can" be a great distributor.

    I'm just saying...

    agreed

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    Didn't we used to have a point guard that generated statements like that? Oh yes, he gets paid to stay away.

    No. The guy that gets paid to stay away had great court vision and passing abilities, but for whatever reason did not use it consistently and was accused often by the fans/ PD of sulking. Both of those PGs are flawed, but the flaws are very different.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    I still take TJ over Best any day of the week...

    I'm glad we solved our defense as well. Finally we were able to jump out on a team and get them down by a large margin (20 points) and maintain it with crisp ball movement and a stifling defense.

    What... they gave up another huge lead? Well, we still got the win so all is well.

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    Sure, Best was never "starting PG" material.

    I'm okay with the idea that TJ Ford is good enough to start for some teams in the league. He's better than Best, even though they both have the same fatal flaws.

    He's a top-30 PG.

    He's not the solution to our PG problems.

    He's a better "basketball player" than PG (which was also true for Travis). He'd be a nice backup/ change of pace guy to a legit distributor. Just like Travis - while he drove me drink - complimented Mark Jackson quite well.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    But holy cow that is a really bad team. There's no way they make the playoffs.
    I hate quoting UB, but it's only one game. Granted Michael Redd isn't coming back, but I'm hopeful that Richard Jefferson will get his head out of his and play like a professional and not a 3rd grader.

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    I agree with ChiJ. I like Ford because he isn't Tinsley, but then again I'd like Stalin as the point guard for the exact same reason.

    Every time Ford drives to the basket I cringe. He has been on the past 2 nights, but it's impossible for him to shoot this kind of % routinely. When he's not hitting, it's ugly.

    Again, he's an improvement over Tinsley, but I don't know if he's the guy I want starting at point guard for the next 4 or 5 seasons after this.

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    I love the thread title.

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    I agree with ChiJ. I like Ford because he isn't Tinsley, but then again I'd like Stalin as the point guard for the exact same reason.

    Every time Ford drives to the basket I cringe. He has been on the past 2 nights, but it's impossible for him to shoot this kind of % routinely. When he's not hitting, it's ugly.

    Again, he's an improvement over Tinsley, but I don't know if he's the guy I want starting at point guard for the next 4 or 5 seasons after this.
    I am o.k for ford to be the point guard for the next two years but at the same time the Pacers need to draft one that is going to replace him and be the PG of the future and I don't see this on him

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    if we can see that tj is just driving in, not really knowing what he is going to do...why don't the coaches stop him...i would pull him every time he did that...all he has to do is keep driving through, and take the ball back out and reset...i mean i am not delirious...i dont think he can probe as well as nash...but i do think he would even surprise himself if he just, under control, kept it moving...

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    Why were the fish in a barrel.


    Also, Graham needs to check his thread title.
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    Why were the fish in a barrel.
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    anybody else growing disgusted at murphy's rebounding numbers?

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    anybody else growing disgusted at murphy's rebounding numbers?

    The only thing worse is how many points Granger is getting!
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    The only thing worse is how many points Granger is getting!
    do u realize it's been nearly a month since murphy last had over 2 offensive rebounds in a game? 1-14 1-16 2-14 1-13 etc etc. murphy is the jason kidd of power forwards.

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    anybody else growing disgusted at murphy's rebounding numbers?
    Why would you be upset by a guy in the top 5 rebounders per game? He is also getting alot of double doubles and has become a much more hard nosed defender. No he isn't Shaq, but he is giving hard fouls and contesting shots. The stigma of "soft" for Murphy should have all but dissapeared by now. The only ones left saying that don't watch alot of the guy or they just don't like him.

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    do u realize it's been nearly a month since murphy last had over 2 offensive rebounds in a game? 1-14 1-16 2-14 1-13 etc etc. murphy is the jason kidd of power forwards.
    I'm looking forward to two NBA Finals then.
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    Why would you be upset by a guy in the top 5 rebounders per game? He is also getting alot of double doubles and has become a much more hard nosed defender. No he isn't Shaq, but he is giving hard fouls and contesting shots. The stigma of "soft" for Murphy should have all but dissapeared by now. The only ones left saying that don't watch alot of the guy or they just don't like him.
    read my response to mrsparko...good rebounders don't average less than 2 offensive rebounders per game. murphy isn't even top 50 in this category and again, hasn't had over 2 orebs in a game in nearly a month. the vast majority of his rebounds are of the cheap variety...jason kidd rebounds...

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    No one's been accusing him of being one of the greatest rebounders ever as far as I can tell.

    Anyway you cut it he's doing better than last year. I bet he was even lower in offensive rebounds last year, but I could be wrong.
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    No one's been accusing him of being one of the greatest rebounders ever as far as I can tell.

    Anyway you cut it he's doing better than last year. I bet he was even lower in offensive rebounds last year, but I could be wrong.
    you are correct. he's averaging slightly more. i'm referring to this month long trend of his however. it's of serious concern to me as 2nd chance points are crucial to a team's success.

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