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    Pacers open with a small ball lineup.

    Pacers continue with their stunning "leave the 3 point line uncovered" defense even against a team known for 3 point shooting.

    Pacers' D gives up 135 points.

    OBrien is an awful coach... I don't care how hard the team plays, if he can't address the defense, he sucks. That's not basketball.

    Granger's argument for making the AS team took a hit.
    Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

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    We played the Magic. I expected an outcome like this. We can't beat every good team in the league. If we can't win most of the next games, especially at home, then everyone throw the franchise under the bus. But please, don't start it now.

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    Jim O "The O stands for Offense" Brien reminds me of a perfect candidate for an assistant coaching position. He's too caught up in stats and gimmicks for his own good as the head coach but could be useful to a real head coach who can filter thru the information and actually translate the good parts (or workable parts) to the team at hand.
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    Granger's been shooting like Stephen Jackson here of late.

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    We played the Magic. I expected an outcome like this. We can't beat every good team in the league. If we can't win most of the next games, especially at home, then everyone throw the franchise under the bus. But please, don't start it now.

    I'm just throwing OBrien and his defense under the bus. I don't think it's coincidence that there's an "O" in O'Brien and no "D". I like the players. Under the right coach this team would be growing and we'd all be thinking about next season in a positive way... not as we are now... Which is that next season just means THIS season is over and we get a clean slate.
    Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

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    Was that an actual NBA game or was that just shootaround for the Magic?

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    I didn't expect to win, but that first quarter was just unexcusable.

    It's conceiveable we could squeak into the playoffs but our rebounding/toughness/defensive personnel is not anywhere near actually challenging for anything this year or beyond.

    And I say this recognizing our better play, relatively speaking, of late.
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    Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the fly.

    Dwight Howard was the windshield...

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    Has anyone got anything positive to say about the game? I find it hard to take much away from a game where the team gives up 135 points.

    I do like the players and I think the coaching staff is selling them short.

    Defense Defense Defense. Nothing frustrates me like bad basketball and 'no defense' is bad basketball. The coaching staff is putting these players in a position to fail by not addressing this. ....'No defense' and 'small ball' equally frustrate me (but then the two also go hand in hand usually).
    Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

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    Our defensive scheme cheats more than most because many of our players are not good individual defenders. This cheating is easily exposed by 1) teams that pass the ball well (e.g. Utah and San Antonio, 2) teams with a strong inside-out game. (e.g. Orlando)...hence the big losses.

    Really, in both cases the silver bullet is ball movement. Now, ball movement is always a good tool, but against the Pacers it is more lethal and more easily accomplished. That is the difference.

    Edit: Oh, and the reason this is so is a combination of our personnel and the players JOb puts on the floor. Yes, it is a shared problem.

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    Was that an actual NBA game or was that just shootaround for the Magic?
    I think it was the Magic's with the practice squad............

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    this guy is terrible w/ a capital T...I dont know when he will be held accountable, that was just embarrassing!!!

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    Our defensive scheme cheats more than most because many of our players are not good individual defenders. This cheating is easily exposed by 1) teams that pass the ball well (e.g. Utah and San Antonio, 2) teams with a strong inside-out game. (e.g. Orlando)...hence the big losses.

    Really, in both cases the silver bullet is ball movement. Now, ball movement is always a good tool, but against the Pacers it is more lethal and more easily accomplished. That is the difference.
    Then switch it up... play more zone sometimes and play more straight up and take our lumps that way for others. The way it is, it's a shootaround for the other team.

    Even go ahead and let a player like Howard have his way as part of the plan and focus our defense on taking his help away.
    Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

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    We played the Magic. I expected an outcome like this. We can't beat every good team in the league. If we can't win most of the next games, especially at home, then everyone throw the franchise under the bus. But please, don't start it now.
    OMG are you full of sunshine or just oblivious.

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    OMG are you full of sunshine or just oblivious.
    I'm just awkwardly optimistic. Always!

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    Did we really give up 135 points on 55% shooting tonight? Really? Honestly the only saving grace I can imagine is I didn't have to watch this. How pitiful.

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    OMG are you full of sunshine or just oblivious.
    Nothing against him, but he is not the only one.

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    Then switch it up... play more zone sometimes and play more straight up and take our lumps that way for others. The way it is, it's a shootaround for the other team.

    Even go ahead and let a player like Howard have his way as part of the plan and focus our defense on taking his help away.
    I agree. There's lots of ideas that are probably better than the current plan or lack thereof.

    Considering Orlando scored the second most points of the year, there are probably lots of ideas that work better....like giving better defenders like Foster, Rush and Baston more time...or McRoberts any time at all. Foster, Rush and Baston had the best +/- figures BTW...although it's hard to tell if they could help considering they were planted on the bench most of the game watching Orlando keep scoring, and scoring, and scoring, and scoring.

    Why is defense such a low priority?

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    I am an O'Brien apologist and didn't see the game thus I'm not putting blame on anyone but...135 points?! It's unacceptable for a professional basketball team to give up that many points.

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    I am an O'Brien apologist and didn't see the game thus I'm not putting blame on anyone but...135 points?! It's unacceptable for a professional basketball team to give up that many points.
    you are lucky you did not see the 1st quarter.

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    What does Foster need to do to start or get more PT?

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    We should have been beaten by about 15.

    It was really embarrassing because of the following:

    - Howard made 8 of 10 free throws
    - Pietrus had some strange night hitting everything
    - They shot the lights out at the three point line.
    - Dunleavey was unusually awful, both with shooting and turnovers
    - Jack was his usual awful self with turnovers
    - Granger was cold

    It definitely was not our night. And they are certainly the better team. But the blow out was due to the factors above. We've won some games where the luck went our way, but we didn't get any tonight.

    One other, unrelated point: Roy was the only defensive pseudo answer to Dwight, in my opinion. I would like to have seen him play more when it mattered.

    Regarding BBall's emphasis on D, this is my main gripe with our system: we don't stop penetration, we let the guy slide toward the baseline. But that shouldn't happen so quickly. We need to play D straight up and eventually let them slide to the baseline (if we are going to continue this strategy). At present, the opponent just immediately goes baseline. There's no delaying him, defending him, challenging him, even for a few seconds.

    It's sloppy, undisciplined, and there is no accountability. For those reasons, it just doesn't work. It's the human factor that some eggheads forgot about while drawing the scheme up on paper.
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    Default is it the players or Coaching GEEZZZZZE!!!

    I just wanted to know because everyone criticizes me for talking about jim o'brien but i mean come on what gives...? He starts off w/Murphy at Center, you've got to be kidding me, and on top of that Daniels had 10 points and even the commentator pointed out the fact that he should have kept Daniels in, but he sure nuff had Dunleavy in who gave us absolutely nothing and once again is a huge liability on Defense.....Well you guys will fault me anyway but i wanted to know is it really the players or the coach?

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    Default Re: is it the players or Coaching GEEZZZZZE!!!

    Your the same guy that made the other threads, right?

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    Default Re: is it the players or Coaching GEEZZZZZE!!!

    I'm just answering your question, not complaining. It's really not the fact that you complain about him, but the fact that you just don't continue from the previous thread you created on the matter, night after night.

    When it comes to O'Brien, there is a lot of focus on defense, and not successful execution. We know that. I think that it is more of the level of talent we have on this team. We need to shake things up just a little bit with some *good* established players.
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