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  • #16
    Re: Trade Deadline 2009

    Originally posted by aceace View Post

    Would you do this trade: 1st + Deiner + Baston for Conley , the pick most likely will be 12 - 18 not a strong draft this year unless your top 5.
    Even though the report said they will need to accept less than they want for him, they will not give him away. Other players would have to be involved and after looking at their roster, nothing is realistically attractive. I would like to see Conley here but I think there are better players to chase before the deadline.

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    • #17
      Re: Trade Deadline 2009

      I've always been a fan of Hinrich

      Still think he's an underrated defender and a pretty good shooter who can pass.

      We could trade Jack, Quis and Rasho or Foster to the Bulls for Hinrich and Drew Gooden

      Gives the Bulls a backup to Rose, another solid big man, and an expiring 2 guard in Quis who can bring size and a different style in Ben Gordon

      The Pacers get better insurance for TJ at the PG position, as well as a better 6th man option off the bench that could play either the PG or SG position better then Jack

      They also get another skilled PF, who is also expiring, and good add some PF depth behind Murphy.

      Pacers:
      PG: Ford, Hinrich, Diener
      SG: Dunleavy, Hinrich, Rush
      SF: Granger, Dunleavy, Graham, Rush
      PF: Murphy, Gooden, McRoberts
      C: Hibbert, Rasho or Foster, Baston

      I dunno, I think the team gets better, depending on who's involved.

      Sorry to post a trade idea, I know it might need to be in proposals, but I figure I'd give it a shot since it's a Trade Deadline thread

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      • #18
        Re: Trade Deadline 2009

        Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
        I've always been a fan of Hinrich

        Still think he's an underrated defender and a pretty good shooter who can pass.

        We could trade Jack, Quis and Rasho or Foster to the Bulls for Hinrich and Drew Gooden

        Gives the Bulls a backup to Rose, another solid big man, and an expiring 2 guard in Quis who can bring size and a different style in Ben Gordon

        The Pacers get better insurance for TJ at the PG position, as well as a better 6th man option off the bench that could play either the PG or SG position better then Jack

        They also get another skilled PF, who is also expiring, and good add some PF depth behind Murphy.

        Pacers:
        PG: Ford, Hinrich, Diener
        SG: Dunleavy, Hinrich, Rush
        SF: Granger, Dunleavy, Graham, Rush
        PF: Murphy, Gooden, McRoberts
        C: Hibbert, Rasho or Foster, Baston

        I dunno, I think the team gets better, depending on who's involved.

        Sorry to post a trade idea, I know it might need to be in proposals, but I figure I'd give it a shot since it's a Trade Deadline thread
        I'm leaning towards agreeing with this.

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        • #19
          Re: Trade Deadline 2009

          Agree-Miller's the most interesting guy on the list.

          Conley and Hinrich don't interest me too much.

          We need bigs anyway. For that reason, I like the Drew Gooden idea.
          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

          -Emiliano Zapata

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          • #20
            Re: Trade Deadline 2009

            Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
            I've always been a fan of Hinrich

            Still think he's an underrated defender and a pretty good shooter who can pass.

            We could trade Jack, Quis and Rasho or Foster to the Bulls for Hinrich and Drew Gooden

            Gives the Bulls a backup to Rose, another solid big man, and an expiring 2 guard in Quis who can bring size and a different style in Ben Gordon

            The Pacers get better insurance for TJ at the PG position, as well as a better 6th man option off the bench that could play either the PG or SG position better then Jack

            They also get another skilled PF, who is also expiring, and good add some PF depth behind Murphy.

            Pacers:
            PG: Ford, Hinrich, Diener
            SG: Dunleavy, Hinrich, Rush
            SF: Granger, Dunleavy, Graham, Rush
            PF: Murphy, Gooden, McRoberts
            C: Hibbert, Rasho or Foster, Baston

            I dunno, I think the team gets better, depending on who's involved.

            Sorry to post a trade idea, I know it might need to be in proposals, but I figure I'd give it a shot since it's a Trade Deadline thread
            I love, love, love this trade, and see everything positive about it!

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            • #21
              Re: Trade Deadline 2009

              I would trade Marquis for Barbosa and Felton for either TJ or Jack. I like Hinrich but his contract is to big and could put the Pacers over the cap. Another guy I like is Brandon Bass, I would love for him to play here.
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              • #22
                Re: Trade Deadline 2009

                Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                I think Brand is as done as JO is. He's in the post-knee surgery CWebb phase of his career, IMO. Once big guys have knee ligament surgeries, they're never the same especially when they have them later in their careers. The combination of miles logged and surgery has done in a lot of good Bigs.
                Agreed
                "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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                • #23
                  Re: Trade Deadline 2009

                  this is a new article about the wing players that might get trade and the trade deadline


                  Trade Watch: Top wings on the blockComment

                  By Chad Ford
                  ESPN.com

                  Others who might be moved: Travis Outlaw, Blazers; Jerry Stackhouse, Mavs; Larry Hughes, Bulls; Andres Nocioni, Bulls; Sasha Pavlovic, Cavs; Bobby Simmons, Nets; Linas Kleiza, Nuggets; Rashad McCants, Wolves; Adam Morrison, Bobcats.

                  http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...chWings-090128



                  Top wings on the block

                  Shawn Marion, Heat
                  Marion has been at the top of the list of players most likely to be traded all season. Since the moment the Heat drafted Michael Beasley, it has been pretty clear the Heat have to move Marion this season or risk losing him for nothing this summer when he hits free agency.

                  A number of teams are interested in his talent. The question is, are any of them willing to meet his salary demands this summer? The thought of that has scared off a number of would-be suitors. The Raptors have shown the most interest, but the Cavs and the Kings, among others, also are in the hunt.

                  Chance of trade: 80 percent


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                  Mike Miller, Wolves
                  At first glance, getting Miller as part of the Kevin Love trade this past summer looked like a coup for the Wolves. However, Miller hasn't fit in and reportedly has been miserable in Minnesota. While the Wolves publicly say there's nothing to the Miller trade rumors, a number of GMs around the league disagree.

                  Miller's shooting ability and reasonable contract make him one of the most attractive trade candidates out there.

                  Chance of trade: 65 percent


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                  Wally Szczerbiak, Cavs
                  There are a lot of expiring contracts out there, but none gets more attention than Szczerbiak's. The Cavs aren't interested in cap room right now. They want a championship.

                  Everyone in Cleveland is crossing their fingers that some desperate GM will pull a Chris Wallace and give away an All-Star for cap relief and late first-round picks. More often than not, it doesn't happen. But with the economy turning sour and a scrum of teams trying to get under the cap in 2010, the Cavs might be able to pull it off.

                  Chance of trade: 60 percent


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                  John Salmons, Kings
                  Salmons is having a career season, but he doesn't fit into the long-term future of the franchise. The Kings have been shopping him all season. Despite his talent, he's never really been known as a chemistry guy in either Philadelphia or Sacramento.

                  His versatility, defense and ability to handle the ball have attracted a number of suitors. But buyers beware -- this guy has to start. Take him out of the starting lineup, and his numbers drop and his pouting increases.

                  Chance of trade: 55 percent


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                  Vince Carter, Nets
                  Going into the season, no one predicted that Carter, at the age of 32, would put up All-Star numbers on a rebuilding team. But he has played his heart out and, with Devin Harris, has made the Nets respectable. Which means it's the perfect time for Rod Thorn and Kiki Vandeweghe to throw him a farewell party.

                  Carter has garnered plenty of interest from a few championship contenders like Cleveland and Houston who see him as a nice veteran addition. The Nets should jump on any deal that gets them a combination of cap relief and picks. Getting the last three years and $51 million of his contract off their books has to be a priority right now.

                  Chance of trade: 45 percent


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                  Marquis Daniels, Pacers
                  Daniels is one of the more under-the-radar trade prospects on this list. He is having one of the best seasons of his career, and he has a team option on his contract, which, in essence, is an expiring contract. With Mike Dunleavy now back from injury and rookie Brandon Rush waiting in the wings, Daniels is expendable.

                  Daniels' appeal is two-fold. Not only can he help a team now, but he represents no long-term risk. For that reason, a number of GMs I spoke with listed Daniels as a player they have some interest in. I doubt the Pacers would mind packaging him, along with one of their other expiring contracts, if it could land them a young big man to pair with Danny Granger.

                  Chance of trade: 40 percent


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                  Allen Iverson, Pistons
                  Everyone, including Joe Dumars, knew the Pistons were taking a big gamble when Dumars brought Iverson into the circle of trust. So far, the grand experiment hasn't turned out well. While the Pistons look like a playoff team, they no longer look like a serious contender for an NBA title.

                  So, what do the Pistons do next? They can keep plugging along, let Iverson's contract come off the books and have around $15 million in cap space this summer. Or, they can be proactive and try to turn Iverson into more assets or possibly a veteran big to shore up their front line. While Iverson as a player doesn't hold the same appeal to many GMs anymore, he still is a great ticket draw and could make someone a lot of money.

                  Chance of trade: 25 percent


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                  Josh Howard, Mavs
                  Mavs owner Mark Cuban has been pretty adament that he doesn't want to trade Howard, but there's enough buzz around the league to make you wonder whether some of it is a smoke screen. The Mavs, at best, are an early-first-round-exit playoff team. I don't think that's what Cuban had in mind when he mortgaged the future to get Jason Kidd at last year's trade deadline.

                  While I'm sure he'd prefer to move Jerry Stackhouse, Howard is the guy in whom teams are interested. If Cuban wants to make a big splash by the deadline, Howard has to be the guy to go.

                  Chance of trade: 20 percent


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                  Lamar Odom, Lakers
                  Odom has been on the block for what seems like years. This season, there was a lot of talk that the Lakers would move him after his lackluster performance in the playoffs. The fact that Odom's deal expires at the end of the season also led to the belief that the Lakers would move him now, while they could get something in return.

                  However, Odom is still in L.A., and the signals I'm getting are that he'll most likely stay there. Unless the Lakers get blown away with a trade offer, Odom's chances of swapping teams appear slim.

                  Chance of trade: 15 percent


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                  Corey Maggette, Warriors
                  No one understood what the Warriors were thinking when they showered Maggette with a five-year, $48 million deal this summer. Not even the Warriors, apparently. (We could say the same thing about Stephen Jackson's deal.) Almost immediately, it became clear that the Warriors wouldn't mind getting out of Maggette's contract, and he has been on the block ever since.

                  Maggette still is one of the best scorers in the league, but with his price tag, I'm not sure how much interest he will generate.

                  Chance of trade: 10 percent


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                  Tracy McGrady, Rockets
                  Once again, T-Mac is nursing injuries and dampening the hopes of Rockets fans everywhere. This time, it seems like everyone has had enough. The problem is, what GM in his right mind would give up anything of value for T-Mac at this point? Isiah Thomas is no longer writing checks in New York.

                  So the Rockets can try to shop him all they want, but unless they want bad contracts in return or another injury-prone former star like Jermaine O'Neal, I don't think they will pull it off.

                  Chance of trade: 5 percent


                  Others who might be moved: Travis Outlaw, Blazers; Jerry Stackhouse, Mavs; Larry Hughes, Bulls; Andres Nocioni, Bulls; Sasha Pavlovic, Cavs; Bobby Simmons, Nets; Linas Kleiza, Nuggets; Rashad McCants, Wolves; Adam Morrison, Bobcats.


                  Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
                  Last edited by vnzla81; 01-28-2009, 05:06 PM.
                  @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Trade Deadline 2009

                    I'd be thrilled if we can turn Marquis into a good big man.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Trade Deadline 2009

                      I'm hopeful that the Pacers will be able to make a good deal at the deadline. You'd think the expiring contracts of Rasho and Marquis along with another player and/or picks could net something decent in return. Right?

                      Although I guess if a trade can't be made, the cap relief is nice for the Simons. Losing Marquis and Rasho (hopefully) opens up more time for Rush, Hibbert, and our 2009 lottery pick.

                      I'd just hate to see such nice trade assets go to waste.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Trade Deadline 2009

                        I would like to get Josh Howard, maybe Dunleavy for him and somebody else for Bass
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                        • #27
                          Re: Trade Deadline 2009

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          I would like to get Josh Howard, maybe Dunleavy for him and somebody else for Bass
                          Howard, & his gonja love can stay in Dallas.
                          But.... If I were to make a move w/ Dallas, it would be for the big expiring J.Kidd. He would fill some seats in the 3 months here, & if moved for players w/ bigger contracts like: Murph/Tin's/TJ, in some combo deal, he could really help our finacial future & cap flexibility, so I'd entertain that, but no interest in Howard.
                          "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
                          (Watching You Like A Hawk!)

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                          • #28
                            Re: Trade Deadline 2009

                            Josh Howard is the new JR Rider.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Trade Deadline 2009

                              Originally posted by PacerGuy View Post
                              Howard, & his gonja love can stay in Dallas.
                              But.... If I were to make a move w/ Dallas, it would be for the big expiring J.Kidd. He would fill some seats in the 3 months here, & if moved for players w/ bigger contracts like: Murph/Tin's/TJ, in some combo deal, he could really help our finacial future & cap flexibility, so I'd entertain that, but no interest in Howard.
                              They won't do Murphy because they already have a PF who does not play defense but can score like crazy, Tinsley, no way they want him, Rick is there and he knows what kind of pain in the a$$ is him, TJ maybe but for who? they would want a good player in return if they wanna trade kidd.

                              I said JH because he is maybe that guy the pacers need to make them better, he plays decent defense, he is a good shooter but a the same time he gets to the foul line most of the time by penetration(reason why he gets hurt) he could be the Robin for Batman(Danny), also his contract is one year less than mike and can help the pacers in the future, making him a really good trade piece next year when his contract expires in 2010.
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                              • #30
                                Re: Trade Deadline 2009

                                Originally posted by intridcold View Post
                                Josh Howard is the new JR Rider.
                                Somewhere, Josh Howard took a sharp breath, put his hand over his face, and wondered who the **** just slapped him silly.

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